Flame-Wars ( Rated-R ) => Backdraft => Topic started by: Old Baw on September 15, 2009, 07:23:25 pm|
Title: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Old Baw on September 15, 2009, 07:23:25 pm YOU. NEED. HELP.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 15, 2009, 07:50:21 pm Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on September 15, 2009, 07:53:10 pm Why do you have to hate on Lakkus like this? :(
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 15, 2009, 08:40:25 pm Why do you have to hate on Lakkus like this? :( Because they were boyfriends but they broke up. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 15, 2009, 08:46:00 pm Its not they're fault. They were born that way.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 15, 2009, 09:56:30 pm Its not they're fault. They were born that way. I laugh anytime I hear this. Homosexuals are just kids who are not anything special so their cry for attention to "enjoy" the presence of the same sex. I put them on the same level as Emo's and people who bring up how drunk they were last week. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 15, 2009, 10:22:56 pm They don't have a choice in the matter. That's just the way they are and we need to except that.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 15, 2009, 10:23:44 pm No no, homos are people who like to get plunged in the rear with a really big tool.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 16, 2009, 02:27:48 pm They don't have a choice in the matter. That's just the way they are and we need to except that. Everyone has a choice. Their choice is to be different so they can stand out. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 16, 2009, 02:53:20 pm You know I was just reciting their excusses right?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Old Baw on September 16, 2009, 04:32:01 pm Why do you have to hate on Lakkus like this? :( Because they were boyfriends but they broke up. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 16, 2009, 07:11:07 pm You know I was just reciting their excusses right? Thought that at first but the second post made me unsure. :-[ Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 16, 2009, 07:40:51 pm lol I've been openly homosexual for about 3 years and just letting you guys know you're as clueless as Gift when he's drunk. Though I'm not sure if the posts in this topic are serious or not.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 16, 2009, 07:56:13 pm :P
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 16, 2009, 08:01:02 pm lol I've been openly homosexual for about 3 years and just letting you guys know you're as clueless as Gift when he's drunk. Though I'm not sure if the posts in this topic are serious or not. Serious? People need to start identifying serious posts. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on September 16, 2009, 08:03:03 pm This post is super serious.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 16, 2009, 08:03:39 pm This post is super serious. I really needed that or else I would have no clue. Thank you. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 16, 2009, 08:04:27 pm :D <--- seriously.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 16, 2009, 08:05:11 pm I'm terrible at detecting sarcasm over the internet <_<
plus y'all are still clueless anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on September 16, 2009, 08:17:15 pm I believe in the cause!!!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: PandasDontFloat on September 16, 2009, 08:44:36 pm lol I've been openly homosexual for about 3 years and just letting you guys know you're as clueless as Gift when he's drunk. Though I'm not sure if the posts in this topic are serious or not. Serious? People need to start identifying serious posts. Pillow is telling the truth, he told just about everyone on Xbox. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 16, 2009, 08:52:43 pm Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Paranoid71 on September 16, 2009, 10:45:54 pm Its not they're fault. They were born that way. I laugh anytime I hear this. Homosexuals are just kids who are not anything special so their cry for attention to "enjoy" the presence of the same sex. I put them on the same level as Emo's and people who bring up how drunk they were last week. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: NDS IS POPPIN on September 16, 2009, 11:53:01 pm (http://www.adrants.com/images/tila_tequila.jpg)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 17, 2009, 02:32:32 am (http://www.adrants.com/images/tila_tequila.jpg) Yes.Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 17, 2009, 07:03:55 am Its not they're fault. They were born that way. I laugh anytime I hear this. Homosexuals are just kids who are not anything special so their cry for attention to "enjoy" the presence of the same sex. I put them on the same level as Emo's and people who bring up how drunk they were last week. Intolerance for wanna-be's is a very rational one. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 17, 2009, 07:17:24 am YOU. NEED. HELP. I actually used to think that way when I was growing up because it's what I was taught at home. Then I got into the real world and my views changed. I'm not homosexual, but I have no issues with homosexuality. There are studies that state they are born with it. I don't really care whether they are born with it or not. They aren't hurting anyone so I say more power to them. Anyway, I hope you guys are joking, but if you aren't I hope you can keep an open mind. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 17, 2009, 08:20:58 am My ass is opened...I mean my mind is opened. One of my friends from HS is ghay and I have no prob with it. I just told him not to come on to me and everything will be ok. But the excuse that its hereditary or genetic is absurd and erroneous IMO. We have free agency; the abilility to make our own choices in life. That is all. :)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: DoubleGunz on September 17, 2009, 10:46:57 am My best friend is kechua and all my other friends aren't, it doesn't matter to me he acts just about the same as all the rest. He has the same personality as me, basically.
inb4youcallmegay. Seriously, nothing wrong with it. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on September 17, 2009, 10:58:16 am did someone say my name? ^-^
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 17, 2009, 12:21:51 pm did someone say my name? ^-^ Stop gettin all serious up in here >:( Damn Lakk. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 17, 2009, 01:05:48 pm Being homosexual is an abomination in ALL religions. (And I know alot of you are catholic)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 17, 2009, 01:21:41 pm You are an abomination. Satan's spawn.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on September 17, 2009, 01:25:14 pm Being homosexual is an abomination in ALL religions. (And I know alot of you are catholic) what is your point? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 17, 2009, 01:35:10 pm Being homosexual is an abomination in ALL religions. (And I know alot of you are catholic) what is your point? His point is on the top of his head. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on September 17, 2009, 01:43:57 pm **** ignorant little **** leaves every time I say something to him now b)
and btw I8, don't be hatin on kechuas just cuz they don't wanna play w/ your little penor either Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 17, 2009, 02:44:38 pm no. My problem with ghays are as follows:
1) They halt evolution since ghay couples aren't reproducing 2) Traditionally, marriage is defined by a man and woman in holy matrimony. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on September 17, 2009, 02:46:32 pm 1.) They adopt kids, preventing some abortions
2.) Times change. If we kept Catholicism to the way it was back in the day, you'd be on a stake right now burning. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 17, 2009, 02:55:14 pm 1.) They adopt kids, preventing some abortions 2.) Times change. If we kept Catholicism to the way it was back in the day, you'd be on a stake right now burning. 1) If they adopt kids, their children are going to be miserable because everyone is going to tease them for having two fathers. I've known kids like that who would rather have been dead. 2) I'm a Christian(non-denominational). 3) Being homosexual is an abomination whether you like it or not. You can't change a religion for your personal prefrences. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on September 17, 2009, 02:58:38 pm 1.) If a child would rather be dead they better do it then and decrease the surplus population
2.) You are an idiot(non-denominational) 3.) WHERE THE **** DID THIS NUMBER COME FROM IT WAS A 1-2 CONVERSATION YOU FAGATRON Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 17, 2009, 03:00:47 pm 1.) If a child would rather be dead they better do it then and decrease the surplus population 2.) You are an idiot(non-denominational) 3.) WHERE THE make sweet sensuous love DID THIS NUMBER COME FROM IT WAS A 1-2 CONVERSATION YOU FAGATRON Lol extra point cuz I felt like it, you hoe Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 17, 2009, 03:05:31 pm 1.) If a child would rather be dead they better do it then and decrease the surplus population 2.) You are an idiot(non-denominational) 3.) WHERE THE make sweet sensuous love DID THIS NUMBER COME FROM IT WAS A 1-2 CONVERSATION YOU FAGATRON LMAO this is good ****. Like MNOP said I8, times change so kids shouldn't be teased. And don't bring religion into this because religion is more rigid than MNOPs ****. Notice any similarities? DO YOU GET THE "POINT" YET? (http://fastenerslacks.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/pope_350.jpg)(http://fairimmigration.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/0050_ku_klux_klan_03.jpg) Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 17, 2009, 03:09:35 pm 1.) If a child would rather be dead they better do it then and decrease the surplus population 2.) You are an idiot(non-denominational) 3.) WHERE THE make sweet sensuous love DID THIS NUMBER COME FROM IT WAS A 1-2 CONVERSATION YOU FAGATRON LMAO this is good dookie. Like MNOP said I8, times change so kids shouldn't be teased. And don't bring religion into this because religion is more rigid than MNOPs pen0r. Notice any similarities? DO YOU GET THE "POINT" YET? (http://fastenerslacks.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/pope_350.jpg)(http://fairimmigration.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/0050_ku_klux_klan_03.jpg) Kids shouldnt be teased but theres no stopping it. And ROFLMAO at the pics Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on September 17, 2009, 03:15:55 pm Ohhhh yea, Christianity in that second pic loves you, I8 O0
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 17, 2009, 03:17:41 pm Lol you'll never catch me! I'm the oiled up dude from family guy!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 17, 2009, 03:34:07 pm I agree with I8
no. My problem with ghays are as follows: 1) They halt evolution since ghay couples aren't reproducing 2) Traditionally, marriage is defined by a man and woman in holy matrimony. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 17, 2009, 03:34:43 pm 1) If they adopt kids, their children are going to be miserable because everyone is going to tease them for having two fathers. I've known kids like that who would rather have been dead. 2) I'm a Christian(non-denominational). 3) Being homosexual is an abomination whether you like it or not. You can't change a religion for your personal prefrences. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 17, 2009, 03:42:55 pm Yay!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 17, 2009, 03:50:42 pm rofl at bman get raped i8.
at kreater: While it's true that it isn't proven homosexuality is genetic (I believe in the case of some kechuas that that's the cause, but that's just my opinion) it's definitely not a choice. You don't pick your sexual urges. Think about it this way: When you first began to develop a sexual lust, did you stop and decide if you liked boys or girls, or did you just like girls without thinking about it? I think the cause of a lot of homosexuality is simply personality and the environment one's raised in. At Panda: It was in my profile, but I practically never mentioned it in conversation. And for the whole religion thing go move to the **** Middle East if you want a theocracy you uneducated shits. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on September 17, 2009, 03:59:38 pm Pillow <3
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 17, 2009, 04:04:39 pm no. My problem with ghays are as follows: 2) Traditionally, marriage is defined by a man and woman in holy matrimony. I like this one. I go back to what MNOP was saying: 1. Traditionally, witches were drowned. 2. Traditionally, black people were slaves. 3. Traditionally, heretics were burned at the stake. 4. Traditionally, women had no rights. 5. Traditionally, people gave all of their money to the Church. 6. Traditionally, Catholic priests molested altar boys. 7. Traditionally, there was no democracy. Etc. Anyway, if we never changed that type of behavior where we would be today? Well, maybe #6 still holds true, but anyway. I was an altar boy by the way. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on September 17, 2009, 04:06:39 pm Well said Term O0
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on September 17, 2009, 04:20:13 pm rofl at bman get raped i8. at kreater: While it's true that it isn't proven homosexuality is genetic (I believe in the case of some kechuas that that's the cause, but that's just my opinion) it's definitely not a choice. You don't pick your sexual urges. Think about it this way: When you first began to develop a sexual lust, did you stop and decide if you liked boys or girls, or did you just like girls without thinking about it? I think the cause of a lot of homosexuality is simply personality and the environment one's raised in. At Panda: It was in my profile, but I practically never mentioned it in conversation. And for the whole religion thing go move to the humping Middle East if you want a theocracy you uneducated shits. Actually, I believe there have been studies where scientists have found a gene that causes the offspring to grow up homosexual. I'm not sure about it, though. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 17, 2009, 04:27:38 pm rofl at bman get raped i8. at kreater: While it's true that it isn't proven homosexuality is genetic (I believe in the case of some kechuas that that's the cause, but that's just my opinion) it's definitely not a choice. You don't pick your sexual urges. Think about it this way: When you first began to develop a sexual lust, did you stop and decide if you liked boys or girls, or did you just like girls without thinking about it? I think the cause of a lot of homosexuality is simply personality and the environment one's raised in. At Panda: It was in my profile, but I practically never mentioned it in conversation. And for the whole religion thing go move to the humping Middle East if you want a theocracy you uneducated shits. Actually, I believe there have been studies where scientists have found a gene that causes the offspring to grow up homosexual. I'm not sure about it, though. That's what I thought too. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on September 17, 2009, 04:36:56 pm The article I read was either about homosexuality or a cure for cancer.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 17, 2009, 04:39:41 pm Rofl.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 17, 2009, 04:43:50 pm There's evidence that suggests it, but it's not proven. Genetic homosexuality is confusing, as it usually comes hand in hand with Gender Identity Disorder which in general becomes a subject where we're looking at how our body influences our personality subconsciously, which in itself is very difficult to study because that draws on linking psychological theory (which in itself is very subjective) to any constants we can recognise.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MessakiNg on September 17, 2009, 05:24:26 pm there is nothing wrong with homseckzuality honestly.
I8 for you to be just hatefull of them cuz you dont like that they are kechua is just retarded... for a supposed black kid you should know that not too long ago blacks where hated for something they didnt control either. aaaand people had and some to this day still have a problem with interacial relationships. what you are saying is just as bad as the racist knob gobblers that spew that hate. Dudex3 i think is just saying what hes saying for attention since most of his posts on here are diickish at best. me i have no problem with gahys. ive even given nudes to some of my gaayest friends like tyson k and lakkus... and cant forget creasy. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Paranoid71 on September 17, 2009, 06:20:20 pm YOU. NEED. HELP. Attention, much?Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Old Baw on September 17, 2009, 06:24:25 pm it's called Backdraft for a reason..
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on September 17, 2009, 06:33:09 pm SO WE CAN FLAME THE FLAMING HOMOSEXUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Paranoid71 on September 17, 2009, 06:34:24 pm it's called Backdraft for a reason.. Good point.Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 17, 2009, 06:36:06 pm at kreater: While it's true that it isn't proven homosexuality is genetic (I believe in the case of some kechuas that that's the cause, but that's just my opinion) it's definitely not a choice. You don't pick your sexual urges. Think about it this way: When you first began to develop a sexual lust, did you stop and decide if you liked boys or girls, or did you just like girls without thinking about it? I think the cause of a lot of homosexuality is simply personality and the environment one's raised in. Exactly. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: NDS IS POPPIN on September 17, 2009, 06:41:07 pm IT DONT MATTER IF YOU kechua OR STRAIGHT CUZ IN THE END IM THE FLYEST GANGSTA
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Old Baw on September 17, 2009, 06:46:19 pm IT DONT MATTER IF YOU fruity OR STRAIGHT CUZ IN THE END IM THE FLYEST GANGSTA Truth.Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 17, 2009, 08:49:15 pm IT DONT MATTER IF YOU fruity OR STRAIGHT CUZ IN THE END IM THE FLYEST GANGSTA NDS FTW LMAO!! Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 17, 2009, 10:25:37 pm at kreater: While it's true that it isn't proven homosexuality is genetic (I believe in the case of some kechuas that that's the cause, but that's just my opinion) it's definitely not a choice. You don't pick your sexual urges. Think about it this way: When you first began to develop a sexual lust, did you stop and decide if you liked boys or girls, or did you just like girls without thinking about it? I think the cause of a lot of homosexuality is simply personality and the environment one's raised in. Exactly. You just agreed to something as being natural and acceptable when last post you agreed it was an abomination. You have no clue what you're reading do you? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 18, 2009, 02:46:03 pm at kreater: While it's true that it isn't proven homosexuality is genetic (I believe in the case of some kechuas that that's the cause, but that's just my opinion) it's definitely not a choice. You don't pick your sexual urges. Think about it this way: When you first began to develop a sexual lust, did you stop and decide if you liked boys or girls, or did you just like girls without thinking about it? I think the cause of a lot of homosexuality is simply personality and the environment one's raised in. Exactly. It's a cry for attention no matter how you put it. The thing that gets me is kechuas are attracted to men, not females so why are they interested in feminine guys? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 18, 2009, 02:56:51 pm at kreater: While it's true that it isn't proven homosexuality is genetic (I believe in the case of some kechuas that that's the cause, but that's just my opinion) it's definitely not a choice. You don't pick your sexual urges. Think about it this way: When you first began to develop a sexual lust, did you stop and decide if you liked boys or girls, or did you just like girls without thinking about it? I think the cause of a lot of homosexuality is simply personality and the environment one's raised in. Exactly. It's a cry for attention no matter how you put it. The thing that gets me is kechuas are attracted to men, not females so why are they interested in feminine guys? I have to say that if I wanted attention, I would not pick something with such a negative stigma attached to it. I would not want to be beaten up, ostracized, made fun of, have sex with the same gender (against my instincts), etc. if all I wanted was attention. It's kinda like Ned Beatty in Deliverance. I would've fired his agent if he got me that role. Not exactly what you want. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 18, 2009, 03:26:13 pm Wow this is too much. To say that you can't choose who you like because of the environment you were raised in is humorous. When you have sexual urges you can't fight them due to the natural tendencies. But those urges are just sexual. You just want to dip your wing in some sauce. You D0 however choose WHO you are going to give into those tendencies with. I was raised in a fatherless home, but that doesn't mean anything. If I had been raised by uncle jerry and aunt jimmy I still would have found out that babys come from a man and a woman having sex. People hardly ever have sex just to concieve anymore, and that's why people are "preferring" the same sex. Its selfish ambitions that drives them in the begining that leads to feelings of love...sometimes. b)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 18, 2009, 04:35:59 pm I know I didn't pick who I wanted to have sex with. I just had the want. I must have skipped school when we picked out what personal wants we would desire so they just picked for me. =/
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 18, 2009, 04:43:25 pm I know I didn't pick who I wanted to have sex with. I just had the want. I must have skipped school when we picked out what personal wants we would desire so they just picked for me. =/ http://rlv.zcache.com/exit_only_tshirt-p235700687845709345qzd7_210.jpg That sums it up. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on September 18, 2009, 04:47:19 pm Just because the flesh has an urge doesn't automatically make it acceptable. How is that a valid argument? Many serial killers have an urge to kill, but that doesn't justify it.
I'm not getting into this argument, but to justify homosexuality because it is an inborn urge is counterintuitive. All people in all aspects of society have to control inappropriate urges on a regular basis in order to conform to their concept of morality. I'm just sayin... Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MessakiNg on September 18, 2009, 05:31:06 pm i think that shirt is offensive or down right ignorant... you havent lived until youve taken a dive into the poop shoot male or female.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 18, 2009, 06:11:43 pm i think that shirt is offensive or down right ignorant... you havent lived until youve taken a dive into the poop shoot male or female. I would call it obvious over ignorant. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MessakiNg on September 18, 2009, 06:24:45 pm you would cuz your a 17 year old bigot but i hold that against you why hate cuz a guy wants to stuff another with his pork sword or a chick wants to get some carpet burn on her face... how does it honestly affect you? in what way does their sexual choices hurt you? are you afraid that if there was enough kechua people you would have to join in? would that be so bad?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 18, 2009, 06:26:13 pm you would cuz your a 17 year old bigot but i hold that against you why hate cuz a guy wants to stuff another with his pork sword or a chick wants to get some carpet burn on her face... how does it honestly affect you? in what way does their sexual choices hurt you? are you afraid that if there was enough fruity people you would have to join in? would that be so bad? It would be the worst possible scenario. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MessakiNg on September 18, 2009, 06:30:54 pm dont knock it till you try it pretty boy ;)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 18, 2009, 06:32:07 pm dont knock it till you try it pretty boy ;) That's not in my future plans. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Lucki on September 18, 2009, 06:32:28 pm woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa why would people post here?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 18, 2009, 10:45:10 pm Just because the flesh has an urge doesn't automatically make it acceptable. How is that a valid argument? Many serial killers have an urge to kill, but that doesn't justify it. I'm not getting into this argument, but to justify homosexuality because it is an inborn urge is counterintuitive. All people in all aspects of society have to control inappropriate urges on a regular basis in order to conform to their concept of morality. I'm just sayin... Because the sexual interaction between two mature, informed people totally impacts society in the way a serial killer would. Also, what I posted wasn't even arguing the morality of homosexuality - Kreater and I were simply discussing what leads to one being kechua. The only people that had raised an issue of the morality were quickly shot down. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 18, 2009, 11:06:23 pm Pillow, your leading me to be fruity. <3
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 19, 2009, 08:51:36 am AWWWWW UR JUST TOO MUCH
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: aredd007 on September 19, 2009, 10:13:27 am You know, having a few more kechuas would do the world a better place. It would stop this ever increasing population. :D
Also, idc if someone is kechua; they aren't hurting or affecting anyone else. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on September 19, 2009, 10:34:16 am Just because the flesh has an urge doesn't automatically make it acceptable. How is that a valid argument? Many serial killers have an urge to kill, but that doesn't justify it. I'm not getting into this argument, but to justify homosexuality because it is an inborn urge is counterintuitive. All people in all aspects of society have to control inappropriate urges on a regular basis in order to conform to their concept of morality. I'm just sayin... Because the sexual interaction between two mature, informed people totally impacts society in the way a serial killer would. Also, what I posted wasn't even arguing the morality of homosexuality - Kreater and I were simply discussing what leads to one being fruity. The only people that had raised an issue of the morality were quickly shot down. Cmon pillow, you can't pick the one thing that is irrelevant with an analogy and use it to disprove the underlying point. No analogy is perfect. My point was that you can substitute ANY urge that is considered inappropriate behavior in society to make the point that just because an urge comes from within doesn't make it right. It shows a failure of an argument when you have to pick the irrelevant part of the analogy and ignore the main point. Obviously I wasn't comparing a serial killer's urge to kill as affecting society in the same way as a homosexual urge. Clearly that wasn't my point. Replace serial killer urge with urge to do anything you consider immoral and you will still get the same point. That point is that you can't justify an action merely because it is an inborn urge. So you clearly missed my point if you thought I was discussing the morality of homosexuality. I was discussing the ORIGIN of homosexuality just like you and K. But my point is that the origin is irrelevant to a discussion of homosexuality. Ultimately the discussion will eventually turn to morality, so an understanding that origin means nothing to that subsequent discussion is highly poignant. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 19, 2009, 10:55:54 am at kreater: While it's true that it isn't proven homosexuality is genetic (I believe in the case of some kechuas that that's the cause, but that's just my opinion) it's definitely not a choice. You don't pick your sexual urges. Think about it this way: When you first began to develop a sexual lust, did you stop and decide if you liked boys or girls, or did you just like girls without thinking about it? I think the cause of a lot of homosexuality is simply personality and the environment one's raised in. Exactly. You just agreed to something as being natural and acceptable when last post you agreed it was an abomination. You have no clue what you're reading do you? Its because you guys are so good proving facts and stuff. I actually read every post at the thread. If you look carefully at the things I agreed they are from a different topic. First one says that I agree that homosexuality is not good and the other one is about how homosexuality is created. Resume: Homosexuality is not a good thing and I agree with your idea of how they became homo's. IMO. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 19, 2009, 11:11:26 am Also a proven fact is that people who have been sexually abused when they were kids can become homosexual.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 19, 2009, 02:17:31 pm This will take the kechua out of you guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcVU5cGUNE Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 19, 2009, 11:02:20 pm WarM: You are an idiot, quit posting.
Ohio: That was relevant to the analogy. "Replace serial killer urge with urge to do anything you consider immoral and you will still get the same point. " um dude The only difference between the two is that one's a specific example while the others a generic category. The same logic still applies. " That point is that you can't justify an action merely because it is an inborn urge." Homosexuality is deemed wrong by several here on the basis it's unnatural and a plea for attention. Thus, in this instance the idea that homosexuality is natural would be a rebuttal to the argument. To say that homosexuality is justified solely on its origin would be a dumb thing to say of course. But no one said that. As for your 2nd paragraph, you need to re-read things. ". But my point is that the origin is irrelevant to a discussion of homosexuality" Actually your point was Natural=/=Moral. Tell me where you explained otherwise. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 19, 2009, 11:11:01 pm " Ultimately the discussion will eventually turn to morality,"
K and I's discussion concluded without that occuring. " so an understanding that origin means nothing to that subsequent discussion is highly poignant." Well clearly there are some in this topic who feel otherwise in which the naturalness became a fitting rebuttal so it's not redundant. However, K and I's discussion in particular was not tied in with morality at all, it was 100% discussion of the origin making aforementioned point of yours you never made relevant, are in fact poignant in the same sense you were using the word. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 20, 2009, 10:16:02 am I agree Ohio that your message came across as saying just because you have a natural urge doesn't mean it results in moral behavior.
A lot of people consider sex out of wedlock or sex with anyone other than your spouse to be immoral. So, does that mean we should group swingers, anyone who had sex before they were married, alduterers, divorcees who have sex, and homosexuals all in the same group? They are all giving in to urges of the flesh for the same self-gratification. Based on the arguments I've seen it would appear that we either need to shun all of these groups in the same manner or we accept them. Do you know anyone who's had sex prior to marriage? Maybe because we know more people that do it and we may even do it ourself it makes it easier to accept that behavior. Or maybe it's not as immoral as some people believe. Where does a person's morals come from anyway? On a side note, how do you explain homosexuality in animals? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 20, 2009, 11:46:51 am On a purely moral standpoint, I would class all of those people together, yes. Immoral is immoral is immoral no matter who is doing it. Nobody is exepmt from temptation. But as I alluded earlier, we all have the ability to make choices with reguards to those temptations. If a female is throwing herself on my kawk with strong urges, as a man, my urges may be mutual, but I have the ability to say no. Same with a man. If a man puts his butt in front of another man's pen0r, his urges are mutual because ultimately they both want satisfaction. But there's a choice to be made. Should I have sex with this person and feel immoral, or should I abstain because I know its wrong? Either give into selfish ambitions, or have a stronger will. Simple concept.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 20, 2009, 01:10:31 pm Just because the flesh has an urge doesn't automatically make it acceptable. How is that a valid argument? Many serial killers have an urge to kill, but that doesn't justify it. Owned.I'm not getting into this argument, but to justify homosexuality because it is an inborn urge is counterintuitive. All people in all aspects of society have to control inappropriate urges on a regular basis in order to conform to their concept of morality. I'm just sayin... Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on September 20, 2009, 02:34:20 pm Sorry pillow, read K's last post. I am confirmed that a discussion about this topic CANNOT be completed without discussing morality. The only reason you could claim it wasn't before was because you simply hadn't concluded the discussion. You were just at the early stages discussing origin, but it still turned to morality, just as I predicted.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 20, 2009, 04:23:08 pm WarM: You are an idiot, quit posting. Ok. I was just giving my opinions, if you dont like it its ok (: Wanna party? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 20, 2009, 04:38:28 pm :D
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 20, 2009, 08:35:05 pm Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 20, 2009, 08:57:52 pm Yea! Bring a vise, car battery, cables, canola oil, and a hose. I was born like this, so don't judge me.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: NDS IS POPPIN on September 20, 2009, 09:12:23 pm IM FRMO L.A. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA FOO THE WEST COAST WHERE EVERY BODY IS SOMEBODY AND THE GAME IS FAME DO EVERYTHANG WITH A BANG AND EVERYBODY WANNA KNOW WHAT SET YOU CLAIM
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 20, 2009, 09:41:11 pm WHO ARE YOU
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 20, 2009, 10:31:28 pm K: Homosexuality in itself is dependent on thoughts, not action. I could go knock up several females right now and I would still have homosexual desire while none for females.
Also, homosexuals can't marry, so kind of stupid to abstain. Not to mention the primary reason pre-marital sex is deemed immoral is because of religion. It's entirely subjective, it's not a moral that can be logicly backed up on objective reasoning (ie kill, steal, etc) Ohio: He was responding to term, not I. Our convo. had pretty much died. Regardless, that wasn't even your main point, no? I believe it was that naturalness=/=morally justified, which I've already responded to. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 20, 2009, 10:33:38 pm WarM: You are an idiot, quit posting. Ok. I was just giving my opinions, if you dont like it its ok (: Wanna party? Your gf is wrong and its disgusting and shouldn't be. wait ignore this post the irony is lost on him cause he's single AAAHAHAHA GOT'M Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on September 20, 2009, 10:40:03 pm "On a side note, how do you explain homosexuality in animals?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior"
uh that's natural too? Im sure d3 will tell you otherwise and that wild animals are actually being attention whores to up their social status tho. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 20, 2009, 11:16:23 pm 8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt3lHH5B3Bw Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: NDS IS POPPIN on September 21, 2009, 12:28:35 am IM FRMO L.A. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA FOO THE WEST COAST WHERE EVERY BODY IS SOMEBODY AND THE GAME IS FAME DO EVERYTHANG WITH A BANG AND EVERYBODY WANNA KNOW WHAT SET YOU CLAIM Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 21, 2009, 06:39:51 am Also, homosexuals can't marry, so kind of stupid to abstain. Not to mention the primary reason pre-marital sex is deemed immoral is because of religion. It's entirely subjective, it's not a moral that can be logicly backed up on objective reasoning (ie kill, steal, etc) Pillow, that's the point I was making. Morals are decided by society, religion, etc. If we all decided that it was ok to kill people then it would no longer be immoral. It would feel weird at first, but eventually people would get used to it. "On a side note, how do you explain homosexuality in animals?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior" uh that's natural too? Im sure d3 will tell you otherwise and that wild animals are actually being attention whores to up their social status tho. That was exactly my point Pillow. I was just leaving it up to the reader to realize that animals wouldn't be doing it for attention. It's good to throw in some subtle points. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: F5in on September 21, 2009, 09:51:15 am fruity people ARE kechua BECAUSE THEY CREEP STRAIGHT GUYS OUT
YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 21, 2009, 01:15:06 pm ^You aint NDS
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 21, 2009, 01:21:03 pm "On a side note, how do you explain homosexuality in animals?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior" uh that's natural too? Im sure d3 will tell you otherwise and that wild animals are actually being attention whores to up their social status tho. Those are the animals who can't get any from the opposite sex. The same seems to be the case with many homosexual humans. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 21, 2009, 01:56:06 pm ^Ah snap!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 21, 2009, 02:16:22 pm "On a side note, how do you explain homosexuality in animals?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior" uh that's natural too? Im sure d3 will tell you otherwise and that wild animals are actually being attention whores to up their social status tho. Those are the animals who can't get any from the opposite sex. The same seems to be the case with many homosexual humans. Or maybe heterosexuals, like people who get pictures of a hot betch off the Internet (sorry I8). Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on September 21, 2009, 02:27:56 pm ^OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh ****
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 21, 2009, 02:35:22 pm "On a side note, how do you explain homosexuality in animals?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior" uh that's natural too? Im sure d3 will tell you otherwise and that wild animals are actually being attention whores to up their social status tho. Those are the animals who can't get any from the opposite sex. The same seems to be the case with many homosexual humans. Or maybe heterosexuals, like people who get pictures of a hot betch off the Internet (sorry I8). Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on September 21, 2009, 02:36:00 pm My bad dawg I had to siggy that dookie :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 21, 2009, 02:37:45 pm **** you too.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 21, 2009, 02:38:14 pm sexy time you too. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on September 21, 2009, 02:38:57 pm sexy time you too. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? No his hot betch :D Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: laughing turd on September 21, 2009, 02:40:25 pm You and me
Should go outside and beat 'em beat 'em beat 'em beat 'em beat 'em beat 'em All pathetic flag waving ignorant geeks And we'll eat 'em eat 'em eat 'em eat 'em eat 'em eat 'em Realize you're blind And we're out of time It'll show your mind Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on September 21, 2009, 02:41:50 pm Maybe I should have said 'with all due respect'. He probably wouldn't have reacted that way....
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 21, 2009, 02:43:30 pm Maybe I should have said 'with all due respect'. He probably wouldn't have reacted that way.... I would have been okay with it if you had said that. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 21, 2009, 02:56:55 pm He doesn't kiss his mother with that mouth, he kissed his mirror with that mouth.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 21, 2009, 02:57:43 pm He doesn't kiss his mother with that mouth, he kissed his mirror with that mouth. Would it not hurt to kiss a broken mirror? :o Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 21, 2009, 03:07:36 pm "On a side note, how do you explain homosexuality in animals?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior" uh that's natural too? Im sure d3 will tell you otherwise and that wild animals are actually being attention whores to up their social status tho. Those are the animals who can't get any from the opposite sex. The same seems to be the case with many homosexual humans. Or maybe heterosexuals, like people who get pictures of a hot betch off the Internet (sorry I8). OMG You said the F word! :-\ Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on September 21, 2009, 03:11:09 pm I8, quit bypassing the word filter you little humper
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on September 21, 2009, 03:26:26 pm Lacquer :-*
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on September 21, 2009, 03:29:39 pm I can bypass too ****
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 21, 2009, 03:31:48 pm Bypass this biches 8=====D-
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: laughing turd on September 21, 2009, 03:51:04 pm i dont know how to bypass :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 21, 2009, 03:52:33 pm sexy time you too. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on September 21, 2009, 03:53:08 pm sexy time you too. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? So she is not "hot betch"? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 21, 2009, 03:54:46 pm Bypass this biches 8=====D- you can::o ---<=======3 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 21, 2009, 03:55:10 pm sexy time you too. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? So she is not "hot betch"? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on October 09, 2009, 08:43:45 pm PEN
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on October 09, 2009, 09:36:39 pm PEN Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on October 09, 2009, 09:44:27 pm :-*
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: GUMBY-KID on October 10, 2009, 05:59:10 pm PENlS
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: NDS IS POPPIN on October 11, 2009, 01:44:17 am PENlS LOL U R SO GARBAGETitle: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on October 11, 2009, 09:55:36 am GARBAGE PATCH KIDS
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on October 11, 2009, 12:15:05 pm NDS get halo 3 so I can bagg u
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: WarMarine on October 13, 2009, 11:34:51 am NO WAY NDS only plays COOKING MAMA stupeh!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on October 13, 2009, 10:51:22 pm NO WAY NDS only plays COOKING MAMA stupeh! She's lesbian.Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Joker on October 13, 2009, 11:56:02 pm I don't get it?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on October 14, 2009, 03:37:33 pm ur high, come back in a few hours
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on October 14, 2009, 03:44:48 pm You are a tool, don't come back.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on October 14, 2009, 04:30:44 pm You are a tool, don't come back. No, Joker's coolTitle: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: TMdudedudedude on October 14, 2009, 04:50:29 pm I was reffering to you.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on October 14, 2009, 05:56:44 pm No, I8's cool.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Old Baw on October 14, 2009, 06:26:33 pm You are a tool, don't come back. No, Joker's coolTitle: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on October 15, 2009, 11:01:59 am Because he likes it.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on October 15, 2009, 12:59:59 pm Because I like it up the ass. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on October 15, 2009, 01:06:10 pm Oh that's original. b)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: HalfGenius on October 15, 2009, 07:09:18 pm Oh that's original. b) Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on October 16, 2009, 01:24:24 am >:(
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: GUMBY-KID on October 18, 2009, 04:26:08 am 8)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on October 20, 2009, 01:59:20 am ^ :-*
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: NDS IS POPPIN on September 26, 2010, 05:24:14 pm MAKE SURE EVERYBODY DIE
WHEN WE RIDE ON OUR ENEMIES Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Blaise on September 27, 2010, 02:19:44 pm Other animals are homo, it's a genetic thing they're born with just like some people can't grow facial hair. They cannot choose not to be.
Wtf do you think so many Catholic priests were caught? They taught that they can be straight or anti-sexual by following their religion but deep down their genetic make up craves for their own sex. It's all natural. Honestly I believe all homophobes are kechua/bisexual. They can't accept their nature and are in a huge denial lol. They love dem manly womens lol. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on September 27, 2010, 02:26:05 pm interesting theory, but too bad there does not exist a homosexual gene. you can't really call it genetic then can you?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on September 27, 2010, 02:31:13 pm interesting theory, but too bad there does not exist a homosexual gene. you can't really call it genetic then can you? ^^^ homo in denial ^^^ ... not that there's anything wrong w/ that Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on September 27, 2010, 02:34:12 pm ^^ Homo in the Nile ^^
(speaking with lisp) Everybody in the river and splash around! Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on September 27, 2010, 02:42:54 pm 3 snaps in a Z formation. Mmhmm.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Blaise on September 27, 2010, 02:51:30 pm I'll retract my statement that it is only genetic. I think its a mix of both. Just like heterosexuality is a mix of both genetic and environmental. Or whatever.
After some research I found this: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080628205430.htm Honestly, I don't care if you're kechua, homo, bi, asexual, trisexual, whatever. If you're cool to hang out with I won't judge. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on September 27, 2010, 02:53:21 pm I'll retract my statement that it is only genetic. I think its a mix of both. Just like heterosexuality is a mix of both genetic and environmental. Or whatever. After some research I found this: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080628205430.htm Honestly, I don't care if you're kechua, homo, bi, asexual, trisexual, whatever. If you're cool to hang out with I won't judge. so you like it in the butt, huh? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Blaise on September 27, 2010, 06:50:31 pm ahaha. only yours lakk.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: NDS IS POPPIN on September 27, 2010, 07:42:49 pm I DONT GIVE A **** IF YOURE kechua
MORE girls FOR ME my man Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on September 29, 2010, 12:56:48 am Omgee NDS that was epic
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MrPillow on November 05, 2010, 12:32:59 am interesting theory, but too bad there does not exist a homosexual gene. you can't really call it genetic then can you? I like how without any reason whatsoever you just dismissed a topic that to this day is still vastly researched within the scientific community. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 05, 2010, 08:22:18 am They're looking for excuses, that's all. I might as well theorise that there is a murderous gene therefore people are already pre-determined to be killers at birth.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on November 05, 2010, 09:06:16 am interesting theory, but too bad there does not exist a homosexual gene. you can't really call it genetic then can you? I like how without any reason whatsoever you just dismissed a topic that to this day is still vastly researched within the scientific community. lolwut? The human genome has been mapped. There does not exist a sexual orientation gene. Where is the debate? I simply stated a scientific fact. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on November 05, 2010, 09:30:45 am interesting theory, but too bad there does not exist a homosexual gene. you can't really call it genetic then can you? I like how without any reason whatsoever you just dismissed a topic that to this day is still vastly researched within the scientific community. lolwut? The human genome has been mapped. There does not exist a sexual orientation gene. Where is the debate? I simply stated a scientific fact. they only mapped most of it Ohio ;) Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on November 05, 2010, 09:49:19 am um, not true.
they mapped the entire human gene. you might be referring to the sequencing of the gene. They completed 95% of the genetic sequence to 99.99% accuracy in 2003, but the mapping and identification of the genes was completed in 1994, early on in the project. Obviously, genetic and biological are two very different terms. There is NO gene for sexual orientation, so you can't call homosexuality genetic. The human genome project has sparked many other research projects into biological effects of the genes, but that doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is not genetic, only leaves open the door for biological factors (which no one has still yet to make any connection to homosexuality). Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on November 05, 2010, 09:53:16 am oops, I was looking at their "goal" for the sequencing. In fact, the accomplished 99% sequencing, surpasing the goal of 95% in 2003. This data is all available on the human genome project website.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 05, 2010, 10:00:09 am Amen, brotha! :P
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on November 05, 2010, 02:34:42 pm Amen, brotha! :P I don't understand the point of this post. and in reference to mapping the genome, as I understood it they only "mapped" sections of the genome, not the entire thing. kinda like they only got a roadmap that points out what each section of it does. I'm not gonna go research it though, I really don't care that much. You guys wanna say that it's not genetic or whatever to try and prove that there is something wrong with it. btw, Kreater is definitely a closet homo. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on November 05, 2010, 02:48:17 pm and in reference to mapping the genome, as I understood it they only "mapped" sections of the genome, not the entire thing. kinda like they only got a roadmap that points out what each section of it does. I'm not gonna go research it though, I really don't care that much. Well I did research it and they mapped/identified each individual gene, not just parts. And further, like I said, they sequenced 99% of the genome to 99.99% accuracy. You simply misunderstood it. Quote You guys wanna say that it's not genetic or whatever to try and prove that there is something wrong with it. Well, I never said that but thanks for implying. If you actually do want my personal opinion, to me it doesn't matter whether it is genetic, biological, environmental, sociological, defiance, or any other reason you want to put behind it, to determine whether it is wrong. I have never once put forth that it is not genetic in order to prove it is wrong. I believe it is wrong because the Bible tells me it is wrong. For me, that is the end of the discussion, regardless of the reason. I don't doubt for one minute that homosexuals have physiological urges that heterosexuals don't have. If you want to call that biological, that's fine. However, just as with any sin, different people are more predisposed to different sins. So while I personally don't deal with homosexuality in my life, there are other things that are wrong that I have to bring my flesh into submission on. Let's say that I have urges to kill people (and some psychopaths do). Is killing someone right for me because biologically speaking I have those urges? Of course not. It is my obligation to control my urges to commit any act upon those urges. Same with homosexuality. Some people may have urges in their flesh, and that isn't sin. The Bible plainly says that the acting upon those urges is sin. That is my position on the subject, but make no mistake, I have not once stated the scientific fact that there is no sexual orientation gene in order to support the fact that there is something wrong with homosexuality. The two issues are mutually exclusive. Quote btw, Kreater is definitely a closet homo. Well, duh. :D Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 05, 2010, 03:09:47 pm ^-^
I hump my male closet all the time. :P Lakk, I meant nothing by that post. I was just being an arse. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on November 07, 2010, 12:02:55 pm Guys, I don't mean to be the immature kid who interrupts the adults' intelligent conversation but, can we make some pen0r jokes please? It's Sunday, I'm out of school and I don't have to think cohesively for another 24 hours.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: IRSmoh on November 30, 2010, 11:37:30 am Guys, I don't mean to be the immature kid who interrupts the adults' intelligent conversation but, can we make some pen0r jokes please? It's Sunday, I'm out of school and I don't have to think cohesively for another 24 hours. need some chocolate sauce? ^-^Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 12:24:45 pm um, not true. they mapped the entire human gene. you might be referring to the sequencing of the gene. They completed 95% of the genetic sequence to 99.99% accuracy in 2003, but the mapping and identification of the genes was completed in 1994, early on in the project. Obviously, genetic and biological are two very different terms. There is NO gene for sexual orientation, so you can't call homosexuality genetic. The human genome project has sparked many other research projects into biological effects of the genes, but that doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is not genetic, only leaves open the door for biological factors (which no one has still yet to make any connection to homosexuality). So, you are saying that there is no gene for heterosexuality either then...What "biological factors" create a heterosexual? Or do we all strive to be heterosexuals because the bible tells us so? Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand how you feel we become heterosexuals since it is not genetic. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 30, 2010, 12:33:03 pm We are heterosexual because everybody's parents are of opposite sex. If we naturally could reproduce from same sex relationships then there probably wouldn't be a genetic/biological argument.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 12:50:02 pm So, you are saying that it is environmental... Which essentially boils the debate down to the bible (as our guideline) as it seems to be the only source that people refer to when denouncing homosexuality. We raise our children to be heterosexual because the bible said that's what we should do and out pops a bunch of heterosexuals. If we raise them incorrectly then we run the risk of homosexuals.
If I were a biblical scholar then I would insert some ludicrous quotes and teachings from the bible. I'm sure there are plenty and through interpretation they have been weeded out, minimized, deemed to have no merit. Statements around homosexuality being a sin, are obviously ludicrous in some people's eyes, but have never been interpreted differently or renounced. Anyone care to quote the bible? I will say that getting pregnant and having babies is anything but natural. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 30, 2010, 01:01:16 pm You are the one bringing the Bible into it, not me. All I can say about the Bible is that is says a man and a woman should marry and reproduce.
I was just saying (as if I weren't a believer in the Bible), that naturally, if I have a mother and a father then I would be inclined to find a femal and do the same eventually. If I was born with 2 dads and grew up in that type of environment then I would be apt to do the same. This scenario isn't possible though is it? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 30, 2010, 01:14:50 pm Adoption makes anything possible. It's like Acid of the Children world.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 01:17:30 pm I brought the bible up because that's a big reason we form the family units that we have today. I also brought it up because Ohio stated that it was the standard to live by.
Society has been shaped by the teachings of the bible and that's what they are, teachings. If we are made by God, then why do we need a manual? Why does God have to tell us not to be a homosexual? If the bible was essentially written by God then why is it open to interpretation? It's obvious that you need a man and woman to have children, but that doesn't mean that a marriage has to be a man and woman. It's the bible that tells us that is the proper marriage. Same goes for sex. We have urges to have sex, but it's the bible that tells us to have sex with the opposite gender. So, whether you brought up the bible directly or not, it has an influence on your statement. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 01:18:45 pm Adoption makes anything possible. It's like Acid of the Children world. And that's true, with advanced science and adoption, there are plenty of non-standard family units today. What happens to children of divorced parents? If they only have a Dad or a Mom? How do they choose? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 30, 2010, 01:37:27 pm Science does make things possible, but then they become unatural. Look at animals. Do they have a manual? No, but they still reproduce with the opposite sex.
As far as God giving us a manual to live by, I can understand why; He is considered our "Father" in Heaven. Now, me being a Father, and knowing that my children will have natural urges and tendencies, I'm going to establish rules in my home to ensure that they can not only survive in life, but succeed as well. Example: I tell my children that stealing is wrong. Why? Well, I know that for one, its against the law of man. And two, I know that they will be naturally inclined to take whatever they want for their own gain either dur to envy or selfish urges, but that it will hurt the person who they took from. This is how I see God's commandments. He know that there are things that will hurt us temporaly, spiritually, and eternally, and he set it up to where we can know of these things. Staying on topic of sex and sexual urges, I'm going to raise my children that its innapropriate to just go around humping any and everything insight just because they have natural urges. Not teaching them that principal would probably result in them becoming rapists or whores. **** does hurt the victim. Whoredom does hurt people. That's why there are teachings of them being wrong. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 01:53:14 pm Most of the laws of man are based on interpretation of the bible. Use homosexual marriages as an example. If two homosexuals are married according to the law, then who are they hurting? They aren't raping people or being whores. Who are the victims of this crime of marriage? Who are the victims of homosexual acts?
In terms of animals, homosexuality exists there as well. Just because we reproduce with the opposite sex does not mean that we should all live as husband and wife. Those are two completely different subjects. The institution of marriage as we know it is based on the bible, not on the need to reproduce. If there was no such thing as marriage then we could and would still reproduce. If the bible didn't state that homosexuality was forbidden then where would society be today? If that was the only change in the bible.... Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Laughing Turd on November 30, 2010, 01:54:04 pm you're all going to hell for your sinful beliefs >:(
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 01:55:05 pm you're all going to hell for your sinful beliefs >:( If there is a hell then that's probably where I will end up. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Laughing Turd on November 30, 2010, 02:06:17 pm yea me too. hey man look me up when you get there. we can have a lot of kechua secks
also play moar ps3 you sonovabich!!!!! >:( Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 02:17:49 pm yea me too. hey man look me up when you get there. we can have a lot of kechua secks also play moar ps3 you sonovabich!!!!! >:( I will do that. Why don't you have BLOPS FOR THE WII humper! Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 30, 2010, 02:21:05 pm Most of the laws of man are based on interpretation of the bible. Use homosexual marriages as an example. If two homosexuals are married according to the law, then who are they hurting? They aren't raping people or being whores. Who are the victims of this crime of marriage? Who are the victims of homosexual acts? Exactly, the laws ARE biblical, and I'm thankful for that. Look at the perversions of men like the wacko in N. Korea and Hitler. Do you not know what they do/did?As far as marriage and homosexuals go, I have no problem with them being kechua or together. What I do have a problem with is that they (and you) seem to want to use the sanctity of marriage to their own advantage, but yet they don't follow the principal of mariage in that it is supposed to be between a man and a woman. Why is it ok for someone to believe in something biblical like marriage, and yet NOT believe in the Bible itself and it's teachings? That's a bit hypocritical don't you think? As far as who homosexual marriages hurt, all I can say is that it could possible hurt the chances of survival of our race/species. If everone chooses to be homosexual then what happens to reproduction? Now, in our times its not fathomable, but think about the long term big picture and how many generations would fall away if 1/10 start off kechua, then it doubles, and triples, etc...over time what could happen to us? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 30, 2010, 02:30:46 pm Quote Exactly, the laws ARE biblical, and I'm thankful for that. Look at the perversions of men like the wacko in N. Korea and Hitler. Do you not know what they do/did? Laws came about long before the bible. So really, laws are about productivity.... Quote Why is it ok for someone to believe in something biblical like marriage, and yet NOT believe in the Bible itself and it's teachings? Woah, the bible isn't the only thing that preaches marriage. Personally, I believe in marriage, for tax reasons, but I don't believe in the bible. What I'm saying is, marriage isn't only for those who are Christian or religious. Quote As far as who homosexual marriages hurt, all I can say is that it could possible hurt the chances of survival of our race/species. We are over populated, partly due to the preachings of the bible. Our species is fine. Quote If everone chooses to be homosexual then what happens to reproduction? If everyone choose to be straight, our world will and is overpopulated. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 02:41:20 pm Exactly, the laws ARE biblical, and I'm thankful for that. Look at the perversions of men like the wacko in N. Korea and Hitler. Do you not know what they do/did? The laws ARE NOT biblical, but are typically based on teachings of the bible. Keep in mind that laws are not the same everywhere. Not sure what Hitler and N Korea have to do with this... Quote As far as marriage and homosexuals go, I have no problem with them being kechua or together. What I do have a problem with is that they (and you) seem to want to use the sanctity of marriage to their own advantage, but yet they don't follow the principal of mariage in that it is supposed to be between a man and a woman. Why is it ok for someone to believe in something biblical like marriage, and yet NOT believe in the Bible itself and it's teachings? That's a bit hypocritical don't you think? This is where you are wrong. I didn't state that homosexuals needed to get married in a Church or in the eyes of God. Getting married in the eyes of the government and getting married in the eyes of God are two different things. I also didn't state that marriage is simply biblical. I stated that it has origins in the bible. Things morph over time. And the hypocrites are the ones that take pieces of the bible to follow and not all of it in my opinion. A person can't state that the bible is the word that should be followed and then not follow all of it. That is the definition of hypocritical. I'm not being hypocritical in any way as I didn't state that homosexuals should be married in the eyes of God. I'm not asking to change what is believed to be God's word. Quote As far as who homosexual marriages hurt, all I can say is that it could possible hurt the chances of survival of our race/species. If everone chooses to be homosexual then what happens to reproduction? Now, in our times its not fathomable, but think about the long term big picture and how many generations would fall away if 1/10 start off kechua, then it doubles, and triples, etc...over time what could happen to us? I'll state it again, reproduction and homosexual marriages are two different things. We could have homosexual marriages all over the place and still reproduce. Men and women could simply get together for the sake of reproduction. That's entirely possible and not unfathomable at all. So, I don't believe our survival is at risk at all. We are only at risk if we are too stupid to realize we need the opposite sex for reproduction. Is anyone here that stupid? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 02:42:21 pm DDD got in before me, but we made some similar statements O0
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on November 30, 2010, 03:12:07 pm I am not planning on getting deeply involved here, after all, this is the flame board. However, first, how can you say that heterosexuality is not biological when you consider procreation. It MUST, by definition of male and female, be biological. Anatomy is biological. End of story.
However, you also then went on quite a bit about interpretation of the bible. However, I believe that there is only one true interpretation of the bible. 2 Peter 1:20 states, "Knowing this first, that no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." So while people want to debate and discuss forever about what the bible means, that is all irrelevant and a waste of time. It means what God said. Second, there are numerous scriptures that plainly address the sin of engaging in the practice of homosexuality. Romans 1:24-32 says: 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. This is just one of many passages I can take you to that directly speaks of sexual relationships between the same sex. It is a teaching throughout the bible. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 03:30:48 pm Where did I state that heterosexuality wasn't biological? I merely asked you to define it. I expected you of all people to respond according to what I wrote Ohio :P You failed me :D
I didn't argue what was written in the bible Ohio. I merely stated that there are probably (and I've taken a gander) a number of statements in the bible which most people would consider ludicrous and not follow in this day and age. Therefore, people have decided that some of God's word is not relevant, but how can you pick and choose? How can you choose to believe what has been said about homosexuality, but not what is said about grapes for example? And in terms of interpretation, you, being a lawyer, can't honestly state that there is no interpretation required. We are supposed to take all statements in the bible at face value? I'm curious to hear your answer on this one. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on November 30, 2010, 05:02:29 pm Where did I state that heterosexuality wasn't biological? I merely asked you to define it. I expected you of all people to respond according to what I wrote Ohio :P You failed me :D I was referring to your statement when K said parents are male and female and your response to that was that that argument pointed to environment not biology. So I did respond to what you wrote, but since I came in long after you had addressed me and the discussion had shifted by the time I got here, I decided to respond to the current discussion rather than a stale one. You asked if there is no gene for homosexuality, then how is heterosexuality biological. I just explained how it was. There are many genes for male and female. Clearly heterosexuality is in our genes. Quote I didn't argue what was written in the bible Ohio. I merely stated that there are probably (and I've taken a gander) a number of statements in the bible which most people would consider ludicrous and not follow in this day and age. Therefore, people have decided that some of God's word is not relevant, but how can you pick and choose? How can you choose to believe what has been said about homosexuality, but not what is said about grapes for example? Hate to break it to you, but I believe all of the bible, in it's proper context, is still relevant today. So I would agree with you that people who pick and choose from the bible what to follow and what not to follow are hypocrites. So your point is lost on me. Quote And in terms of interpretation, you, being a lawyer, can't honestly state that there is no interpretation required. We are supposed to take all statements in the bible at face value? I'm curious to hear your answer on this one. Ah, but I didn't say no interpretation required, but rather it isn't open to private interpretation. That means there is only one right way to read it and all others are wrong. It is a matter of comprehension, not interpretation. The bible says what it means and means what it says. I don't know why you are so curious to hear that answer. It is so basic. I believe every word of the bible is truth. It is the word of God, and as such is without error. So while you may try to use the argument that many people who claim to believe the bible but don't really in order to make a point, it will get nowhere with me. I am not one of those people. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 30, 2010, 05:12:10 pm Quote Quote Exactly, the laws ARE biblical, and I'm thankful for that. Look at the perversions of men like the wacko in N. Korea and Hitler. Do you not know what they do/did? Laws came about long before the bible. So really, laws are about productivity.... The Bible that was abridged by King James is relatively new in the scheme of human time, yes, but the commandments that were given to Moses was the first law (and is in the Bible), and is influential to mostly all human laws. Quote We are over populated, partly due to the preachings of the bible. Our species is fine. Goodness, this is such an ignorant statement. Most of our Earth is uninhabited. There is plenty of room for even more people. Just because we crowd cities so bad and end up in high rises, doesn't mean we are overpopulated. There are currently about 6 Billion people on this planet. Lets put them, four to house on a quarter acre of land. This is the typical size of a traditional suburban lot. Now, physically how big is the suburb of houses we’ve built? So, 6,000,000,000 people; four to a house is 1.5 Billion houses. 1.5 Billion Houses on a quarter acre each is 375 Million Acres. How big is 375 Million Acres? The state of Texas is 171904640 acres. 375 Million Acres is just over twice the size of the State of Texas It also equates to 3.6 Californias. Alaska at 420 Million Acres could hold them all and still have 45 million acres left over. Quote The laws ARE NOT biblical, but are typically based on teachings of the bible. Keep in mind that laws are not the same everywhere. Not sure what Hitler and N Korea have to do with this... You're right, not ALL laws are biblical, but most are in nature, especially when comparing them to the commandments. Society has developed a lot of those laws for our mutual protection in the same way the God gave us the law to protect us from...us. I threw Hitler and Kim Jong-il in there because they force(d) their law on people and look at the results. God doesn't force law upon people as we are free to chose, but will eventually reap consequences for our choices. Quote This is where you are wrong. I didn't state that homosexuals needed to get married in a Church or in the eyes of God. Getting married in the eyes of the government and getting married in the eyes of God are two different things. I also didn't state that marriage is simply biblical. I stated that it has origins in the bible. Things morph over time. Marriage isn't always Biblical, I know this as there are other cultures in the world that practice marriage and haven't even heard of the Bible. But if you look up the origins of marriage, even marriage not consented by a Church or God, they all have something in common; that it is between a man and a woman. the only recorded instance where it was practiced and accepted for 2 men to do so was in second and third century Roman empire and Greece orthodox churches. So, I ask you; Why is kechua marriage not only not accepted by certain Churches, but also not accepted by other people that don't even believe in te Bible's teachings? Quote And the hypocrites are the ones that take pieces of the bible to follow and not all of it in my opinion. A person can't state that the bible is the word that should be followed and then not follow all of it. That is the definition of hypocritical. I agree 100%. There is not point in reading and saying you believe the Bible and yet leave certain things out of it or ignore certain parts of it. I read/interpret and (try to) follow the Bible line upon line, precept upon precept.Quote I'll state it again, reproduction and homosexual marriages are two different things. We could have homosexual marriages all over the place and still reproduce. Men and women could simply get together for the sake of reproduction. That's entirely possible and not unfathomable at all. So, I don't believe our survival is at risk at all. We are only at risk if we are too stupid to realize we need the opposite sex for reproduction. Is anyone here that stupid? We aren't machines though, Term. I personally couldn't imagine a world with many same sex marriages and ubers of reproduction clinics on every corner like retail shops where you stop in and hump someone who's sole purpose is to get impregnated. Besides, using your scenario, why would a homosexual (someone who has no desire to have sexual relations with the opposite sex and is often times simply grossed out by the opposite sex) want to get together just for the sake of reproduction? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 30, 2010, 05:40:29 pm Quote The Bible that was abridged by King James is relatively new in the scheme of human time, yes, but the commandments that were given to Moses was the first law (and is in the Bible), and is influential to mostly all human laws. Moses was not the first to deem that killing is "wrong." Long before Moses, killing for example was counter productive to most species of animals, until we become over populated. Stealing wasn't illegal, but if you did it, you would be attacked by the person you stole from. What this means is, Moses may have written them on paper, but the bible is not the basis for human law, it's productivity. Quote Goodness, this is such an ignorant statement. Most of our Earth is uninhabited. There is plenty of room for even more people. Just because we crowd cities so bad and end up in high rises, doesn't mean we are overpopulated. Correction, most of the earth is uninhabitable. Many places are not living conditions deemed suitable for human life yet, people live there. Why? Because they can't go anywhere else. Don't tell me it's ignorant, when people don't get food, because they grow any where they live, or they can't afford it. It means there's too many of us and we need a pandemic, since we are long overdue. Quote There are currently about 6 Billion people on this planet. Lets put them, four to house on a quarter acre of land. This is the typical size of a traditional suburban lot. Now, physically how big is the suburb of houses we’ve built? So, 6,000,000,000 people; four to a house is 1.5 Billion houses. 1.5 Billion Houses on a quarter acre each is 375 Million Acres. How big is 375 Million Acres? The state of Texas is 171904640 acres. 375 Million Acres is just over twice the size of the State of Texas It also equates to 3.6 Californias. Alaska at 420 Million Acres could hold them all and still have 45 million acres left over. Now this, is what I call ignorant. If you want to live in a world of just houses, fine be me, pack all the people in the world into Alaska. Where are they going to farm, hunt, get medical treatment and what infrastructure will they use to get there? You need to rethink your calculations and the amount of habitable land we actually have. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on November 30, 2010, 06:02:41 pm K, the bible wasn' "abridged" by King James. He commissioned 30 translators to diligently translate it into English by using the "textus receptus" manuscripts. There was no abridging at all. It was a complete translation.
And also, the law, as given to Moses was not the first human laws either. In fact, the first human law was given to Adam in the garden. And all society since has had laws based on the principles of God's precepts given to man. So while I agree with your premises, I felt the need to correct these points because DDD was running with them in a completely absurd direction. Productivity has historically been a very minimal basis for human law. While many laws are in place in various societies for various reasons, the ones discussed here are "moral" laws. Moral laws are rarely, if ever, based on productivity. And K is correct, that in most western civilizations, have based their moral laws on biblical laws and principles. That is undeniable. And also, DDD, I wanted to point out the inadequacies of your population arguments. How can you possibly claim most of the earth is uninhabitable and humans only live there out of necessity? The most remote, harsh environments on earth where humans live have been inhabited for thousands of years. And this was back when human population was less than a few million. There was obviously more than enough room for all the people in the more temperate regions when these harsh environments were settled. Your argument of necessity fails because these places were inhabited prior to any need for people to move there. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on November 30, 2010, 06:08:15 pm Also, DDD, I think you missed K's point about land size. His point was that 6 billion people could have a quarter acre each and all fit in an area less than the US territory. When put in context of the entire size of inhabitable land in the world, the entire world population could multiply exponentially, and still have plenty of room for all the space and infrastructure you could need. We are definitely not running out of space.
Further, I believe this earth was designed for human life by God and will accomplish exactly its purpose. We will never run out of space before God is done with this planet. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 30, 2010, 06:12:17 pm Quote Moses was not the first to deem that killing is "wrong." Long before Moses, killing for example was counter productive to most species of animals, until we become over populated. Stealing wasn't illegal, but if you did it, you would be attacked by the person you stole from. What this means is, Moses may have written them on paper, but the bible is not the basis for human law, it's productivity. I'm going along with Term's agrgument that laws are based on man's interpretation of the Bible. The most basic law of the Bible is the commandments, along with the two other commandments given by Jesus. It was Term who alluded to current laws being influenced by the Bible. Also, stop trying to use productivity as the basis for murder being wrong. Murdering someone means that you take their life, and therefore they breathe no more. This action also hurts loved ones of the victim, and in turn starts war. Throwing productivity in there only backs the principle of slave ownership and that a lost slave to death means that productivity reduces. Quote Correction, most of the earth is uninhabitable. Many places are not living conditions deemed suitable for human life yet, people live there. Why? Because they can't go anywhere else. Don't tell me it's ignorant, when people don't get food, because they grow any where they live, or they can't afford it. It means there's too many of us and we need a pandemic, since we are long overdue. Many, but not most. And why can they not go anywhere? People have been migrating since the dawn of man, and for what purposes? To find sustainable life in other places. Also, there are food shortages in the world here and there. We have plenty of food here in America but it is sometimes hard to get it to famined regions due to war and corrupt governments. (N. Korea, again) We have the food, it’s getting it there that is the problem. We have so much abundance in the USA that some people believe that our government actually pays farmers not to plant to help keep prices higher. Quote Quote There are currently about 6 Billion people on this planet. Lets put them, four to house on a quarter acre of land. This is the typical size of a traditional suburban lot. Now, physically how big is the suburb of houses we’ve built? So, 6,000,000,000 people; four to a house is 1.5 Billion houses. 1.5 Billion Houses on a quarter acre each is 375 Million Acres. How big is 375 Million Acres? The state of Texas is 171904640 acres. 375 Million Acres is just over twice the size of the State of Texas It also equates to 3.6 Californias. Alaska at 420 Million Acres could hold them all and still have 45 million acres left over. Now this, is what I call ignorant. If you want to live in a world of just houses, fine be me, pack all the people in the world into Alaska. Where are they going to farm, hunt, get medical treatment and what infrastructure will they use to get there? You need to rethink your calculations and the amount of habitable land we actually have. No, I don't want to live in a world of just houses, but don't think for one second that all of the possible habitable places in the world are already occupied by people. My calculations are just an example to paint a picture; and that is that we still, even with our current population, have plenty of room to accomodate everyone. Habitable land on earth for humans: 15,641,597,556 acres Source(s): http://www.learner.org/courses/envsci/index.html http://www.learner.org/courses/envsci/visual/visual.php?shortname=distribution_of_climate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth http://pages.prodigy.net/jhonig/bignum/qland2.html Quote In sum, only about one fourth of all the land on earth, or somewhat more than 12 million square miles, is arable. Today, over half of the arable land in the world is in fact not under cultivation. Bringing the unused land into service in many cases would require huge investments of money and effort, and would do considerable damage to the environment. For example, only about 28% of the arable land on the African continent is used for growing crops. Immense tracts of forests or jungles would have to be cleared to bring the rest of the arable land on that continent to productive use. Thus, only about one eighth of each imaginary plot of land distributed to each person is land which is under cultivation. In effect, each person has a piece of land about 26,000 square feet (a square 161 feet on each side or just a bit more than ½ an acre) at his or her disposal on which to grow all that he or she needs. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 30, 2010, 06:16:48 pm Quote K, the bible wasn' "abridged" by King James. He commissioned 30 translators to diligently translate it into English by using the "textus receptus" manuscripts. There was no abridging at all. It was a complete translation. Sorry, wrong use of word. I don't know where I got abridgement from. ??? Quote And also, the law, as given to Moses was not the first human laws either. In fact, the first human law was given to Adam in the garden. And all society since has had laws based on the principles of God's precepts given to man. Yes, we now know that Adam was given the first law to "not partake of the tree..." because of the Bible. I missused my statement, but merely meant that Moses was responsible for them being written down and communicated to people. ;)Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 30, 2010, 07:03:41 pm Tons to go over here.
Quote Productivity has historically been a very minimal basis for human law. Productivity is the basis for all law, human and non-human. To a point, the more humans we have, the more productive we are and that's why original human and non human life did not kill each other. Not because a book or a yet to be seen man in the sky told them to. Quote And K is correct, that in most western civilizations, have based their moral laws on biblical laws and principles. And where did the bible get those from? Don't say "God", because no one can prove that he exists but we can prove that humans and non humans lived successfully before the bible and before the ten commandments based on the law of safety and productivity. Quote How can you possibly claim most of the earth is uninhabitable and humans only live there out of necessity? The most remote, harsh environments on earth where humans live have been inhabited for thousands of years. Cheers to places like Africa where they can't grow any vegetation, can't get clean drinking water and rely on the rest of the world to provide for them. It means people can't live there without the aid of others. Quote His point was that 6 billion people could have a quarter acre each and all fit in an area less than the US territory. When put in context of the entire size of inhabitable land in the world, the entire world population could multiply exponentially, and still have plenty of room for all the space and infrastructure you could need. There's more to human life that just space. The world will run out of resources and we already are, a clear sign of over population. Quote Further, I believe this earth was designed for human life by God and will accomplish exactly its purpose. We will never run out of space before God is done with this planet. And this is the belief that delays technological advancements. "It's all good, God will save us!" "God" doesn't save us from sickness, from poverty or from War, yet you expect his all mighty ass to do something when a meteor is about to hit our planet? Quote Also, stop trying to use productivity as the basis for murder being wrong. Murdering someone means that you take their life, and therefore they breathe no more. This action also hurts loved ones of the victim, and in turn starts war. There is two sides to this stone. Killing a homeless man who just leaches off social programs, no problem. Killing a farmer who provides food for hundreds, that's counter productive. The counter productive are not "loved" and are shunned from society. Quote Also, there are food shortages in the world here and there. We have plenty of food here in America but it is sometimes hard to get it to famined regions due to war and corrupt governments.(North Korea) So North Korea stops the US from sending food to Africa? What about the millions living in poverty in the United States? Is North Korea stopping that too? Quote No, I don't want to live in a world of just houses, but don't think for one second that all of the possible habitable places in the world are already occupied by people. My calculations are just an example to paint a picture; and that is that we still, even with our current population, have plenty of room to accomodate everyone. But we don't have the resources, the education, the infrastructure or the basic skills to do so. In a perfect world, sure, but this world is not and never will be perfect. Millions don't have access to clean drinking water, and you think we aren't over populated? You and Ohio seem to be living in a fantasy world where everything is perfect and God will save us if things go wrong. I don't know how you can guys can trust something you have never seen but while you guys are doing that, I will try to improve the earth's productivity. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 30, 2010, 08:24:57 pm Quote Productivity is the basis for all law, human and non-human. To a point, the more humans we have, the more productive we are and that's why original human and non human life did not kill each other. Not because a book or a yet to be seen man in the sky told them to. Wrong, again. Let's use your parents as an example. I believe you said once that they were strict in their house rules. (if not then forgive me for assuming) If this is not the case, then at least bare with me. They established certain rules for you all to abide by and they also provide sustination for you. Should you chose not to follow the rules established then there are consequences. Now, you can chose to either take that consequence and not break that rule again, or you can kill your parents and establish your own rules. (If you are old enough you can leave and also establish your own rules) But let's assume that you are living in the early times of man as an "original" human as you stated above and you can't just pack up and go get an apartment. What do you do? I assume that whatever the case, in the end you will either agree on rules of behavior, or you will kill or dominate your parents. Should you not kill them, then why? Is it because of loss of productivity? I doubt not. That is the fundamental truth of Mans' existence. There are only two ways for men to avoid and/or settle disputes: violence, and contract. Quote Cheers to places like Africa where they can't grow any vegetation, can't get clean drinking water and rely on the rest of the world to provide for them. It means people can't live there without the aid of others. Has it been that way since the beginning of time? ??? From what I understand, they were fully capable of susatining life before the rest of the world showed up. Quote There's more to human life that just space. The world will run out of resources and we already are, a clear sign of over population. Care to elaborate that one? Again, we have plenty, but it doesn't always reach the places it should. One figure provided by Soundvision.com estimates that over 41 billion pounds of food has gone to waste this year. Household food wastes alone adds up to about $43 billion. A study done in Arizona estimates that single household wastes about 14% of their food. This one says that over half of all food produced worldwide is wasted: http://greenanswers.com/q/131034/recycling-waste/waste-garbage/how-much-food-gets-wasted-worldwide-every-year#ixzz16p1GMqAW http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/08/half-food-wasted.php Quote "God" doesn't save us from sickness, from poverty or from War, yet you expect his all mighty ass to do something when a meteor is about to hit our planet? What makes you so sure that He hasn't already saved us from a destructive meteor? b) Quote The counter productive are not "loved" and are shunned from society. In this case, you have nothing. You don't know for sure that a homeless man is not loved. Also, I don't shun homeless people. Who am I to judge them, as I don't know what they've done to get themselves in that position. Quote So North Korea stops the US from sending food to Africa? What about the millions living in poverty in the United States? Is North Korea stopping that too? Damn, you really ARE that ignorant aren't you? N. Korea stops any foriegn nation from sending food to N. Korea. Also, US DOES send food to Africa. I don't know why you think that we don't. ??? As far as people living in poverty here on our soil, there are programs and charities that help them as well. Don't be so closed minded and think that the US can solve the world's proverty as well as our own. No wonder people despise us; because we're put on some kind of pedestal and expected to work miracles and when it's just not possible, then everyone holds grudges.Quote You and Ohio seem to be living in a fantasy world where everything is perfect and God will save us if things go wrong. I don't know how you can guys can trust something you have never seen but while you guys are doing that, I will try to improve the earth's productivity. Nope, I just live in the real world and make due with what I've been provided with. You can continue to try and improve Earth's productivety by flaming every Tom, Dikc, and Harry on Wii Unite (or punch numbers as an accountant, I believe), while I continue to do my thing, go to work, raise my family, and strive for Heaven's presence. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on November 30, 2010, 08:27:55 pm Where did I state that heterosexuality wasn't biological? I merely asked you to define it. I expected you of all people to respond according to what I wrote Ohio :P You failed me :D I was referring to your statement when K said parents are male and female and your response to that was that that argument pointed to environment not biology. So I did respond to what you wrote, but since I came in long after you had addressed me and the discussion had shifted by the time I got here, I decided to respond to the current discussion rather than a stale one. You asked if there is no gene for homosexuality, then how is heterosexuality biological. I just explained how it was. There are many genes for male and female. Clearly heterosexuality is in our genes. Quote I didn't argue what was written in the bible Ohio. I merely stated that there are probably (and I've taken a gander) a number of statements in the bible which most people would consider ludicrous and not follow in this day and age. Therefore, people have decided that some of God's word is not relevant, but how can you pick and choose? How can you choose to believe what has been said about homosexuality, but not what is said about grapes for example? Hate to break it to you, but I believe all of the bible, in it's proper context, is still relevant today. So I would agree with you that people who pick and choose from the bible what to follow and what not to follow are hypocrites. So your point is lost on me. Quote And in terms of interpretation, you, being a lawyer, can't honestly state that there is no interpretation required. We are supposed to take all statements in the bible at face value? I'm curious to hear your answer on this one. Ah, but I didn't say no interpretation required, but rather it isn't open to private interpretation. That means there is only one right way to read it and all others are wrong. It is a matter of comprehension, not interpretation. The bible says what it means and means what it says. I don't know why you are so curious to hear that answer. It is so basic. I believe every word of the bible is truth. It is the word of God, and as such is without error. So while you may try to use the argument that many people who claim to believe the bible but don't really in order to make a point, it will get nowhere with me. I am not one of those people. Ohio, this is what you stated: interesting theory, but too bad there does not exist a homosexual gene. you can't really call it genetic then can you? I like how without any reason whatsoever you just dismissed a topic that to this day is still vastly researched within the scientific community. lolwut? The human genome has been mapped. There does not exist a sexual orientation gene. Where is the debate? I simply stated a scientific fact. If there is no sexual orientation gene, then heterosexuality does not exist in genes either. That was my point. So, you have now contradicted yourself and lost credibility in your argument. Just because there are genes for male and female does not mean there is a sexual orientation gene as you previously stated. That puts hetero and homo in the same boat. I don't understand how you can believe the bible in it's entirety. For example: All of Leviticus 20 basically states that people will die if they perform these "illegal" acts. Where are the dead people? Shouldn't God smite them down as soon as the act is complete? I understand there is no time limit stated, but it very clearly states death. So, if you believe every word of the bible and these people aren't being killed when they commit these sins, then doesn't that prove to you that the bible is inaccurate? I'm sorry, but the interpretation question and response are not basic. I know you stated that it is not open to private interpretation, so where is the public interpretation? I suppose God has spoken to you directly and explained it? If not, then who interprets for you? But I'm sure you will simply state the option of God speaking to you as this can't be proven or dis-proven (is that a word??). Sorry Kreater, I don't have time to respond to your posts right now. We'll get back it tomorrow O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 30, 2010, 08:49:12 pm Quote Should you not kill them, then why? Is it because of loss of productivity? I doubt not. It's because their is no gain of productivity. If there was, they would be long gone. In today's society, murder leads to prison time, which is counter productive. Quote Has it been that way since the beginning of time? From what I understand, they were fully capable of susatining life before the rest of the world showed up. Polio, Malaria and Yellow Fever spread like wild fire before the rest of the world showed up. Is that habitable territory? No. Quote Care to elaborate that one? Again, we have plenty, but it doesn't always reach the places it should. Oil and Natural gas are two non renewable resources that will be gone by the next century. It's not just food and water. Quote What makes you so sure that He hasn't already saved us from a destructive meteor? The dinosaurs are extinct. Quote In this case, you have nothing. You don't know for sure that a homeless man is not loved. Also, I don't shun homeless people. Who am I to judge them, as I don't know what they've done to get themselves in that position. If a man is homeless, no one loves him, other than maybe another homeless man. If he was loved, he wouldn't be in the streets. Even though I believe love is a trick our mind plays on us, I will pretend it exists for arguments sake. Quote Damn, you really ARE that ignorant aren't you? N. Korea stops any foriegn nation from sending food to N. Korea. Also, US DOES send food to Africa. I don't know why you think that we don't. North Korea doesn't matter at this point, they chose to be counter productive and that's their fault. Quote As far as people living in poverty here on our soil, there are programs and charities that help them as well Yet not everyone gets enough. Quote Don't be so closed minded and think that the US can solve the world's proverty as well as our own. No wonder people despise us; because we're put on some kind of pedestal and expected to work miracles and when it's just not possible, then everyone holds grudges. We despise the US for the lack of help you provide for other countries. Americans feel like they help everyone, when they do more harm then good. You guys trashed the middle east and left it in ruins, thinking you actually made it better. Footnote: You = the American Government Quote Nope, I just live in the real world and make due with what I've been provided with. You can continue to try and improve Earth's productivety by flaming every Tom, Dikc, and Harry on Wii Unite (or punch numbers as an accountant, I believe), while I continue to do my thing, go to work, raise my family, and strive for Heaven's presence. Or, you can realize that heaven is a made up thing to make people act in a "nice" manner, just like Santa Claus and realize that being "nice" or "morally correct" isn't the efficient thing to do. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on November 30, 2010, 08:49:33 pm All of Leviticus 20 basically states that people will die if they perform these "illegal" acts. Where are the dead people? Shouldn't God smite them down as soon as the act is complete? I understand there is no time limit stated, but it very clearly states death. So, if you believe every word of the bible and these people aren't being killed when they commit these sins, then doesn't that prove to you that the bible is inaccurate? I'm sorry, but the interpretation question and response are not basic. I know you stated that it is not open to private interpretation, so where is the public interpretation? I suppose God has spoken to you directly and explained it? If not, then who interprets for you? But I'm sure you will simply state the option of God speaking to you as this can't be proven or dis-proven (is that a word??). Sorry Kreater, I don't have time to respond to your posts right now. We'll get back it tomorrow O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 01, 2010, 08:06:56 am Actually Term, I said there is no gene for sexual orientation. Then had you even bothered to read my later posts, I went on to explain how genetic and biological are two different things. Here, I am now saying heterosexuality is biological. Nowhere did I say it was genetic. I have NOT contradicted myself, nor lost credibility. If anyone lost credibility here it is you for your lack of reading comprehension and your misunderstanding the difference between genetic and biological (although DDD has lost a lot of credibility as well for holding to the ignorant notion that all human law is based on productivity).
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 01, 2010, 08:10:58 am All of Leviticus 20 basically states that people will die if they perform these "illegal" acts. Where are the dead people? Shouldn't God smite them down as soon as the act is complete? I understand there is no time limit stated, but it very clearly states death. So, if you believe every word of the bible and these people aren't being killed when they commit these sins, then doesn't that prove to you that the bible is inaccurate? I'm sorry, but the interpretation question and response are not basic. I know you stated that it is not open to private interpretation, so where is the public interpretation? I suppose God has spoken to you directly and explained it? If not, then who interprets for you? But I'm sure you will simply state the option of God speaking to you as this can't be proven or dis-proven (is that a word??). Sorry Kreater, I don't have time to respond to your posts right now. We'll get back it tomorrow O0 God knows all, so the sin shouldn't have to be proven. And I will say that a lot of these sins ARE proven as people have openly stated they are homosexual or people have been caught in the act, etc., yet they still live. It doesn't state in the bible that man is the one to put them to death (at least not in Leviticus 20...not that I saw). According to Genesis, God cleared out everyone before, so he could certainly be the one to put these people to death and not rely on man. I actually interpret these passages as God being the one to enact the death. He knows who is sinning, so it makes sense that he be the one to deliver death, especially since he is the ultimate judge. Plus, we all know that if we were to put people to death for these biblical crimes then we would end up in prison as they contradict our man-made laws. If you had proof that someone was breaking these rules, would you put them to death as the bible has instructed? If you believe God is to kill them then why doesn't God do it? I'm not going to dispute the fact that God could eventually make them pay for their sins, but why wait? It doesn't state that in those passages. It states that if they do it they will be put to death. Sounds immediate to me. I've never really read the bible, so I'm going through it now. I'm sure there will be other sections that state things about stoning or whatever and I will eventually get there to give more examples. Some other passages in Leviticus talk about not picking all the grapes in a vineyard and leaving a certain number for the poor. I'm assuming none of you own a vineyard, so you aren't in the position to violate that one, but do you drink wine or eat grapes? If so, then I'm guessing that you are supporting the breaking of this rule. I know I have no proof, but I'm pretty sure whoever owns those vineyards isn't following that rule. There was another passage too that talked about planting trees for food. Anyone have a garden? Did you eat anything from the garden in the first three years? According to the bible it is uncircumcised. In the fourth year it has to be used to praise God and you can eat it in the fifth year. Not sure what it means to "not round the corners of your head", but what about not being allowed to mar the corners of your beard? Are we to infer that everyone should have a beard? And if they do, they certainly aren't allowed to mar the corners. Anyone have a tattoo? That's not permitted either. No markings on the skin. The bible doesn't state what the punishment is, but it's not allowed. These are just a few examples of things I found. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 01, 2010, 08:16:48 am Actually Term, I said there is no gene for sexual orientation. Then had you even bothered to read my later posts, I went on to explain how genetic and biological are two different things. Here, I am now saying heterosexuality is biological. Nowhere did I say it was genetic. I have NOT contradicted myself, nor lost credibility. If anyone lost credibility here it is you for your lack of reading comprehension and your misunderstanding the difference between genetic and biological (although DDD has lost a lot of credibility as well for holding to the ignorant notion that all human law is based on productivity). I did read your posts and that's where I found your contradiction. I understand what I read and I have found the contradiction. You stated that it's biological and not genetic. I didn't disagree with you. But then you stated that it's genetic. Which is it?? It's right here: interesting theory, but too bad there does not exist a homosexual gene. you can't really call it genetic then can you? I like how without any reason whatsoever you just dismissed a topic that to this day is still vastly researched within the scientific community. lolwut? The human genome has been mapped. There does not exist a sexual orientation gene. Where is the debate? I simply stated a scientific fact. Where did I state that heterosexuality wasn't biological? I merely asked you to define it. I expected you of all people to respond according to what I wrote Ohio :P You failed me :D I was referring to your statement when K said parents are male and female and your response to that was that that argument pointed to environment not biology. So I did respond to what you wrote, but since I came in long after you had addressed me and the discussion had shifted by the time I got here, I decided to respond to the current discussion rather than a stale one. You asked if there is no gene for homosexuality, then how is heterosexuality biological. I just explained how it was. There are many genes for male and female. Clearly heterosexuality is in our genes. Quote I didn't argue what was written in the bible Ohio. I merely stated that there are probably (and I've taken a gander) a number of statements in the bible which most people would consider ludicrous and not follow in this day and age. Therefore, people have decided that some of God's word is not relevant, but how can you pick and choose? How can you choose to believe what has been said about homosexuality, but not what is said about grapes for example? Hate to break it to you, but I believe all of the bible, in it's proper context, is still relevant today. So I would agree with you that people who pick and choose from the bible what to follow and what not to follow are hypocrites. So your point is lost on me. Quote And in terms of interpretation, you, being a lawyer, can't honestly state that there is no interpretation required. We are supposed to take all statements in the bible at face value? I'm curious to hear your answer on this one. Ah, but I didn't say no interpretation required, but rather it isn't open to private interpretation. That means there is only one right way to read it and all others are wrong. It is a matter of comprehension, not interpretation. The bible says what it means and means what it says. I don't know why you are so curious to hear that answer. It is so basic. I believe every word of the bible is truth. It is the word of God, and as such is without error. So while you may try to use the argument that many people who claim to believe the bible but don't really in order to make a point, it will get nowhere with me. I am not one of those people. I bolded the two statements for you so that you could read and hopefully comprehend your two contradicting statements. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 01, 2010, 08:37:05 am LOL you are clueless man. I stated male and female is genetic. Do you deny that? I sure hope not, it is called an x and y chromosome. Since my argument that heterosexuality is the natural way, then there is no contradiction. You make me laugh at your inability to reason this out. I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, but that those things that show heterosexuality as natural/biological CAN be found in our genes. Then now you are all confused thinking there is a contradiction when there is not. I still contend that there is no gene for sexual orientation. I also contend that heterosexuality is natural and biological. I also contend that our makeup of male and female IS genetic. There is no contradiction there. Sorry you can't read.
And then to address you point on Leviticus 20. I will give you a pass since you yourself stated you know very little about the bible. But the book of leviticus is a book of law given by God, to the nation of Israel. It is the establishment of national law. Nowhere is leviticus 20 purporting that God is to carry out those punishments. Those are laws given to the government of the nation to carry out. Much like America's death penalty. Those laws are for our system to carry out accordingly. Not any individual, and not God. God stated many times in the bible that vengeance belongs to him and that he is longsuffering with sin until the day of judgment. None of the declarations of death penalty in the hebrew law were ever to be carried out by God in this life. They were for establishing law and order within the nation of Israel. God's judgment comes later. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 01, 2010, 08:53:31 am LOL you are clueless man. I stated male and female is genetic. Do you deny that? I sure hope not, it is called an x and y chromosome. Since my argument that heterosexuality is the natural way, then there is no contradiction. You make me laugh at your inability to reason this out. I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, but that those things that show heterosexuality as natural/biological CAN be found in our genes. Then now you are all confused thinking there is a contradiction when there is not. I still contend that there is no gene for sexual orientation. I also contend that heterosexuality is natural and biological. I also contend that our makeup of male and female IS genetic. There is no contradiction there. Sorry you can't read. And then to address you point on Leviticus 20. I will give you a pass since you yourself stated you know very little about the bible. But the book of leviticus is a book of law given by God, to the nation of Israel. It is the establishment of national law. Nowhere is leviticus 20 purporting that God is to carry out those punishments. Those are laws given to the government of the nation to carry out. Much like America's death penalty. Those laws are for our system to carry out accordingly. Not any individual, and not God. God stated many times in the bible that vengeance belongs to him and that he is longsuffering with sin until the day of judgment. None of the declarations of death penalty in the hebrew law were ever to be carried out by God in this life. They were for establishing law and order within the nation of Israel. God's judgment comes later. Sorry, but you are the clueless one. Do we have to go back to the discussions you had with DDD about reading and understanding what you read. Your statement clearly infers that heterosexuality is genetic. Just because you are too stubborn to admit your contradiction does not mean that I can't read or comprehend. On the contrary, I read exactly what you inferred (that heterosexuality is genetic) and now you are trying to cover up your contradiction by claiming I can't read. Sorry, go ahead and use that argument on DDD, but it is not accurate in this case. You can't call people stupid to cover up your mistakes Ohio. How does the statement "Clearly heterosexuality is in our genes" imply that heterosexuality is biological and not genetic? IN OUR GENES definitely implies you believe it is genetic. But you clearly stated that sexual orientation, which heterosexuality is, is biological. Which is it Ohio? Genetic or Biological? You stated that they are two different things, so just pick one. Then maybe you can get back some credibility. Don't attack me just because you made a mistake. It's your typical tactic. Attack the other person's ability to comprehend to cover up the fact that you made a mistake. You can put all the LOLs in that you want, but that doesn't erase your contradiction. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 01, 2010, 09:05:34 am UGH you are absolutely stupid. Seriously. How much more clearly can I spell it out?
I said there is no sexual orientation gene. I have yet to say there was. I said heterosexuality is biological. I followed this statement by the argument that it is biological because male and female biologically are designed to procreate together. Then I state that male and female is genetic. Then I made the statement that you clearly are ignorant about that "clearly heterosexuality is in our genes." This statement is in no way a contradiction to my previous statements. It is merely deductive reasoning in drawing a conclusion based on the facts. There is no sexual orientation gene. That doesn't mean that other things related to sex aren't genetic (i.e. male and female). And since those things are the basis for my point that heterosexuality is biological, and those things are genetic, therefore the argument stands based on sound logic, that heterosexuality is in our genes. Do I need to be more clear? There is obviously no contradiction there. You are simply an idiot. Let me give you another unrelated example to see if you can wrap your mind around it. There is no gene for gamgling (I hope you can agree so far). So I could easily state gambling is not genetic. However, there ARE genes that control brain development with regards to impulse control and addictive behavior. Those things are invariably tied to gambling. So while gambling is not genetic, for someone whose genes relating to risk factors for gambling are present, it could be said that "gambling is in their genes." There is not contradiction there, just sound logic in connecting two statements because they rely on the same underlying evidence. This cannot be more clear. If you do not understand it from this post, you never will. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 01, 2010, 09:16:46 am Again, same tactic. Same result.
Quote Then I made the statement that you clearly are ignorant about that "clearly heterosexuality is in our genes." You are the idiot. You don't even understand your own statement. Talk about being a moron. If your statement had read, clearly heterosexuality is biological then it wouldn't be a contradiction. You wanted the reader to believe that because being a man and woman were genetic that heterosexuality was genetic even though you stated that there is no sexual orientation gene. Thus, trying to get the reader to come to the conclusion that heterosexuality is more genetic than homosexuality, even though there is no sexual orientation gene. How is it IN OUR GENES IF YOU AREN'T IMPLYING THAT IT IS GENETIC??? Doesn't work. Can't say that it is in our genes if you also state that it is not genetic. Total contradiction. Wake up and read your own statements. And your gambling example doesn't work. It's not in the genes, period, end of story. So, don't make an incorrect statement. Here's an example for you: Man approaches to greet a new neighbor who is just moving into the house next door and asks what he does for a living. Neighbor 1: I am a professor at the University, I teach deductive reasoning. Man: Deductive reasoning? What is that? Neighbor 1: Let me give you an example. I see you have a dog house out back. By that I deduce that you have a dog. Man: That's right. Neighbor 1: The fact that you have a dog, leads me to deduce that you have a family. Man: Right again. Neighbor 1: Since you have a family I deduce that you have a wife. Man: Correct. Neighbor 1: And since you have a wife, I can deduce that you are heterosexual. Man: Yup. Neighbor 1: That is deductive reasoning. Man: Cool. .....Later that same day... Man: Hey I was talking to that new neighbor next door. Neighbor 2: Is he a nice guy? Man: Yes, and he has an interesting job. Neighbor 2: Oh, yeah? What does he do? Man: He is a professor of deductive reasoning at the University. Neighbor 2: Deductive reasoning? What's that? Man: Let me give you an example. Do you have a dog house? Neighbor 2: No. Man: homo Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 01, 2010, 09:27:13 am (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrOqjMuzDToqaOREV_J605oF_BJ3MnohGEQakldqTq3R4fDlBr)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ0cKrJoEXHitYGDJ0HrzgNEpwXurZsA8qS643yjZSnr3mgjuYH6A) (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwQiHSxLmrpg887yxzdtV02JfJnyGMuxKlG5VyVmHXEJy7uc4IAw) (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyvZoNpoirL0pPYBuXQPE1yXM-fRIRJ3BTR51wIPR9GOj8NEzO) no homo Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 01, 2010, 09:28:22 am Now that's something to LOL about O0
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 01, 2010, 09:30:34 am :)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 01, 2010, 10:32:48 am Lmao, I liked that joke, term. :D
So anyways, I've been busy this morning and just got around to replying from this blasted 4" phone screen. I hope you appreciate it because it sucks typing walls of text from the phone. :-* Quote God knows all, so the sin shouldn't have to be proven. proven to the majistrates. Obviously there would be an accuser, therefore there would be a need for either evidence or testimonials from people to prove that the accused actually committed the sin. Quote And I will say that a lot of these sins ARE proven as people have openly stated they are homosexual or people have been caught in the act, etc., yet they still live. It doesn't state in the bible that man is the one to put them to death (at least not in Leviticus 20...not that I saw). as Ohio stated, this was Levitical law. It was a lwas given to the people (in THAT time), therefore the people were to carry out the punishments. We are also told to follow the laws of the Land in the Bible, so currently, the Levitical law doesn't apply to our society and is not allowed to be practiced. Quote According to Genesis, God cleared out everyone before, so he could certainly be the one to put these people to death and not rely on man. I actually interpret these passages as God being the one to enact the death. He knows who is sinning, so it makes sense that he be the one to deliver death, especially since he is the ultimate judge. He ultimately knows the true motives of his actions. I believe that in causing the flood, he saved many many people. (The world was said to have been that wicked) The flood and many other stories and scriptures are also symbolic and should be looked at in that manner. The reason too many people don't understand scripture is because they can't connect the symbolic nature to the literal word. In the story of the flood, it was symbolic of baptism and a cleansing of the earth to wash away the wicked. Quote Plus, we all know that if we were to put people to death for these biblical crimes then we would end up in prison as they contradict our man-made laws. If you had proof that someone was breaking these rules, would you put them to death as the bible has instructed? No I wouldn't, and I explained why not above. Quote If you believe God is to kill them then why doesn't God do it?I'm not going to dispute the fact that God could eventually make them pay for their sins, but why wait? Ill tell you why. He loves each and every one of his children and wants us to return to him. Why do you think that repentance is preached and taught so much? He wants us to have a change of heart and turn away from sin. When your children break rules do you kill them or do you repremand them in hopes that they'll understand the rules and not break them again? Quote I've never really read the bible, so I'm going through it now. I'm sure there will be other sections that state things about stoning or whatever and I will eventually get there to give more examples. See, you've already set yourself up for failure. If you're just skimming through in in hopes to find things to refute against then you'll never learn anything about it. If you really want to learn about it then you should try and humble yourself and read with an open mind with real intent and sincerity. If you do that then at least your questions will be questions of inquery rather than questions of provocation and strife. Quote Some other passages in Leviticus talk about not picking all the grapes in a vineyard and leaving a certain number for the poor. I'm assuming none of you own a vineyard, so you aren't in the position to violate that one, but do you drink wine or eat grapes? If so, then I'm guessing that you are supporting the breaking of this rule. I know I have no proof, but I'm pretty sure whoever owns those vineyards isn't following that rule. Again, Levitical law. Also, I don't drink. ;) Quote Anyone have a tattoo? That's not permitted either. No markings on the skin. The bible doesn't state what the punishment is, but it's not allowed.These are just a few examples of things I found. I am against tatoos. Our bodies are gifts and temples for the spirit to live in and dwell with us as we are physically alive. Marking them (to me) is just stupid and serves no point what so ever. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 01, 2010, 11:14:52 am I appreciate the time it took you to write this. I'll make a few comments.
Firstly, I will state that I haven't read the bible cover to cover, but that doesn't mean I've had no exposure to religion, the bible, etc. So, I have the right frame of mind when reading the bible. The reason I brought up Leviticus in the first place is that Ohio stated he believed and followed every word of the bible. So, I just wanted to point out that there are pieces of the bible that didn't seem to be followed in modern day. Now, you two both state that Leviticus is for Israel only. I ask why? Why only Israel? Why not the rest of God's followers? Different rules? Isn't that discrimination? I would think we all live by a standard set of rules in order to be judged by him in a fair manner. You stated that the laws were from that time, where is the updated bible describing the laws that should be followed today? You are saying that we are to follow the laws of the land even if they contradict what is written in the bible? That's very confusing. How do you know when the laws of the land go too far? How do you know which ones to follow if there are a number of contradictions? For example, if the laws of the land state that kechua marriage is legal then shouldn't priests, pastors, ministers, etc have to perform kechua marriages? If they don't then they are going against the laws of the land. Yes, I have heard about the baptismal symbolism O0 You and Ohio disagreed on who should carry out the punishments in Leviticus. To me, it's not clear as to who should carry out those punishments; however, I don't understand how God can put someone to death if there is heaven and hell....symbolically speaking you could say that death means eternal punishment, but why didn't he just say that? Why didn't he say eternal damnation. Isn't that phrase used elsewhere in the bible? If so, then that would lead me to believe he meant death in our lifetime. I'm deducing here ;) So, that means the people should be the judge and not God as we haven't seen God kill these people. You are saying that we aren't killing these people because times have changed and we can ignore those laws now. Or those only applied to Israel. And if those apply to Israel then I assume they are still valid laws...I haven't checked the laws of Israel, but I'm guessing they don't follow them as they are written. That brings me back to my initial questions....How do we know what laws we can ignore? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 01, 2010, 11:26:17 am Give me some time to get to a PC, term. I don't like quoting from my phone and I'd like to give a valid response on my part. Just know that I understand your concern and questioning, as I too sometimes have to ask myself and God, why, and for what motives? I also believe, and have been taught, that God hasn't revealed all that is and can be, but he's given us sufficient knowledge and information to get back to him, so as I told DDD, I work with what I've been given.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 01, 2010, 01:02:20 pm Well, Term, first, I do not know what K believes. However levitical law was the national law given to the nation of Israel. And your question concerning why don't we also follow levitical law can be answered by reading the book of Hebrews. You see, in the Old Testament (another word for testament is Covenant), God chose a special people to be His nation. He gave them laws and entered into covenant with them. All of the levitical law was designed to be how God dealt with mankind and His people prior to sending Christ. Hebrews says the Old Testament law was a "picture of things to come." It was foreshadowing of Christ. The people of the old testament were bound to keep the law. However scripture says the law's only purpose was to condemn mankind and make them accountable to God. Christ's purpose was to fulfill the law. He came, lived subject to the same levitical law, and kept it perfectly. He fulfilled the law in himself. We are no longer under the levitical law itself because Christ has come and fulfilled it. We are now under the New Testament of grace.
That being said, God is the same yesterday, today and forever. His standards never change. So while we are not bound to keep the law in all its pictures, rituals, ceremonies, and such, we are still under the spirit of the law. God's precepts of right and wrong never changed. I know the transition from old covenant and new covenant is a very deep subject that would take books to really expound upon, I hope that is at least a brief synopsys of how it works to answer your questions about why we no longer follow the hebrew law. It is not that we pick and choose what applies today, it is that we follow what the bible says to follow. And the new testament makes it clear that the levitical law is fulfilled in Christ and done away with. And finally, you are still wrong on saying I contradicted myself. Thanks for the joke about deductive reasoning, but it was pointless. You still have missed the point. I still contend that there is no sexual orientation gene, either for hetero or homosexuality. If you think my belief (and scientifically supported) that male and female and procreation are genetic, and that they also form the basis for heterosexuality, is somehow contradictory to my prior statement, so be it. You have a right to be wrong. Those things do not contradict one another. Had I previously said there is no sexual orientation gene, and then followed it with saying "sexual orientation is in our genes" then that would be a contradiction. But I didn't say that. I said heterosexuality is in our genes. There is a difference. Because heterosexuality is only "in our genes" in the sense that male and female is genetic, as is the instinct to procreate. If you have such a problem with those two statements coexisting, then answer these two questions. 1) Is there a gene on the human genome for sexual orientation? 2) Is sex (male and female) determined by specific genes on the human genome? Hopefully you'll be honest and your answer to #1 will be no and your answer to #2 will be yes. So we are in agreement on the basis for my two statements regarding gentics. The only difference is that I believe that the whole notion of male and female and procreation necessitate heterosexuality. With such a belief, it is basic logic that therefore heterosexuality is genetic in the sense that male and female is genetic, and heterosexuality naturally flows from that genetic makeup. Based upon that, you can hopefully see that with my beliefs, there is no contradiction whatsoever in my statements. The only way there are is if you do not believe the existance of male and female necessitates heterosexuality. If you don't believe that, that is your prerogative, but don't come here calling me out as a hypocrite or saying I lost credibility for contradicting myself when I did not. My statements, given my personal beliefs, gel perfectly with one another. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 01, 2010, 01:57:05 pm um, not true. they mapped the entire human gene. you might be referring to the sequencing of the gene. They completed 95% of the genetic sequence to 99.99% accuracy in 2003, but the mapping and identification of the genes was completed in 1994, early on in the project. Obviously, genetic and biological are two very different terms. There is NO gene for sexual orientation, so you can't call homosexuality genetic. The human genome project has sparked many other research projects into biological effects of the genes, but that doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is not genetic, only leaves open the door for biological factors (which no one has still yet to make any connection to homosexuality). Let me ask you this: 1) Did you state that there is no sexual orientation gene? 2) Did you state that homosexuality was biological and not genetic? 3) Did you state that heterosexuality was biological and not genetic? 4) Did you state that because procreation requires a man and a woman (gender is based on genetics), one could deduce that heterosexuality is essentially genetic? I assume you will answer "yes" to all of these questions. Just because being a man and woman is genetic and we need a man and a woman to procreate does not mean that heterosexuality is genetic. You could basically state the same thing with two men (gender being genetic) who are drawn to one another in a sexual way (homosexuality). It's obviously in their genes to be drawn to one another considering being a man is genetic and they have urges for one another....Procreation is a whole other topic and does not change the fact that there is no sexual orientation gene. That's why your statements are contradictory. Sure, you didn't use the exact words "sexual orientation is genetic", but you stated it was in the genes, but only heterosexuality, not homosexuality because that suits your purpose. Just because it suits your purpose doesn't make it correct. You're statements are contradictory. I've shown you that. If you want to be wrong and ignore the facts then that's your prerogative. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 01, 2010, 02:44:50 pm Man it'll be a while before I get to the PC, so I'll take a whack at it from the phone again. :P
Quote Firstly, I will state that I haven't read the bible cover to cover, but that doesn't mean I've had no exposure to religion, the bible, etc. So, I have the right frame of mind when reading the bible. That's good then, because there are people who read it for the sole purpose to find contradictions and use rebuttles. Someday I'd like to learn more about muslims, but not for the purpose of argument, but to see what makes them different in their beliefs, and try to understand Islamic beliefs.Quote The reason I brought up Leviticus in the first place is that Ohio stated he believed and followed every word of the bible. So, I just wanted to point out that there are pieces of the bible that didn't seem to be followed in modern day.Now, you two both state that Leviticus is for Israel only. I ask why? Why only Israel? Why not the rest of God's followers? Different rules? Isn't that discrimination? I would think we all live by a standard set of rules in order to be judged by him in a fair manner. Ohio elaborated tis already, and ill just say that it WAS for Isreal, and only Isreal because they were his chosedn covenant people. He couldn't uphold the same standards to people that hadn't even heard of him. Judgement on people without knowledge of God will be different than judgment on those who chose to follow his standard. Quote You stated that the laws were from that time, where is the updated bible describing the laws that should be followed today? Ohio also touched on this and ill add some as well. The old testament law was for the covenant people before Christ. For example, they had to sacrifice animals to show their repentance. That was the law. When Christ was crucified, he atoned for our sin and payed the ransom of it by experiencing physical death. He became the sacrificial lamb (which was symbolic of the sacrificial animals in Old testament) in doing this the sacrificial law changed and he gave us two "new" commandments (which aren't really new, but just a summary of all of the previous commandments): love God, and love your neighbor. (Don't know the exact scripture off the top of my head) Jesus said that He didn't come to give us a new law, but to fulfill the old. Consider the original ten commandments, do they not outline exactly what Jesus says there? Now our temporal punishment is subject to where we live and the laws established there, (as well as a loss of God's holy spirit and presence of it). Our eternal punishment comes when we stand before God to be judged. Quote You are saying that we are to follow the laws of the land even if they contradict what is written in the bible? That's very confusing. How do you know when the laws of the land go too far? How do you know which ones to follow if there are a number of contradictions? well, we are told not to kill, yet we serve in the armed forces and kill to protect out counrty. Am I a hypocrite in doing so? Luckily the law of the land doesn't tell me to steal, cheat, lie, etc. Otherwise I would leave. Quote For example, if the laws of the land state that kechua marriage is legal then shouldn't priests, pastors, ministers, etc have to perform kechua marriages? If they don't then they are going against the laws of the land. Not sure how it is in Canada, but here we have seperation of church and state, so a pastor, minister, etc...is at liberty to chose what ceremonies they will and will not perform. Later on I'll give you an example of our liberty to obey or dissobey the law. Quote You and Ohio disagreed on who should carry out the punishments in Leviticus. To me, it's not clear as to who should carry out those punishments; however, I don't understand how God can put someone to death if there is heaven and hell....symbolically speaking you could say that death means eternal punishment, but why didn't he just say that? Why didn't he say eternal damnation. Isn't that phrase used elsewhere in the bible? If so, then that would lead me to believe he meant death in our lifetime. I'm deducing here ;) You're opening many doors now. Ill try and answer as best as I can. Keep in mind that I'm just stating things to the best of my current knowledge. I've only scratched the surface of scripture as I started 7 years ago, so I don't know everything there is to know. As far as death goes, it can be literal, and that's why the people were told to stone the sinner. He sustained people to positions of authority and they were expected to carry the law out. If they chose not to then they will be judged for that. Death is also symbolic. Spiritual death is something that occures as a result of sin. When Adam sinned the consequence was death. Well, physical death DID result, just not at that moment. Also, he experienced spiritual death, where God's presence left him and he and Eve were kicked out of the garden of eden and left to fend for themselves. We are told though that when we repent then we are entitled to his spiritual presence again- this is one example of the spiritual death that can occure while we are alive. The other spiritual death is the "eternal damnation" one where when we die, had we chose not to repent and turned our back on God then we will not have his presence for all time and eternity (heaven). This is the worse possible death and was a scaring tactic used for the people of Isreal I believe. Also, as far as him not explaining everything to us, all I can say is that there's no point of giving a test if you're just going to give the answers to every question before hand. We are here to be tried and tested to see if we sincerely want to follow him, so he only needs to give us the information we need to pass that test. Quote So, that means the people should be the judge and not God as we haven't seen God kill these people. in OT Isreal yes, the people were to judge in richeousness. Quote You are saying that we aren't killing these people because times have changed and we can ignore those laws now. Or those only applied to Israel. Yep. We are living in nations that aren't lead by him anymore, therefore we need to abide by the laws of the land. If there was a nation lead by him then I'd gladly move there, but that's not so; therefore I go to His church where I believe he is in control and guiding it. Quote And if those apply to Israel then I assume they are still valid laws...I haven't checked the laws of Israel, but I'm guessing they don't follow them as they are written.That brings me back to my initial questions....How do we know what laws we can ignore? That particular law (in Leviticus 20) applied to OT Israel. I'm not Jewish so I don't know the rules in current Israel. And to your question of what laws to ignore; we are all free to ignore any and all law that we chose to. Again, God doesn't force us to do anything we don't want to. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 01, 2010, 03:55:26 pm um, not true. they mapped the entire human gene. you might be referring to the sequencing of the gene. They completed 95% of the genetic sequence to 99.99% accuracy in 2003, but the mapping and identification of the genes was completed in 1994, early on in the project. Obviously, genetic and biological are two very different terms. There is NO gene for sexual orientation, so you can't call homosexuality genetic. The human genome project has sparked many other research projects into biological effects of the genes, but that doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is not genetic, only leaves open the door for biological factors (which no one has still yet to make any connection to homosexuality). Let me ask you this: 1) Did you state that there is no sexual orientation gene? 2) Did you state that homosexuality was biological and not genetic? 3) Did you state that heterosexuality was biological and not genetic? 4) Did you state that because procreation requires a man and a woman (gender is based on genetics), one could deduce that heterosexuality is essentially genetic? I assume you will answer "yes" to all of these questions. Just because being a man and woman is genetic and we need a man and a woman to procreate does not mean that heterosexuality is genetic. You could basically state the same thing with two men (gender being genetic) who are drawn to one another in a sexual way (homosexuality). It's obviously in their genes to be drawn to one another considering being a man is genetic and they have urges for one another....Procreation is a whole other topic and does not change the fact that there is no sexual orientation gene. That's why your statements are contradictory. Sure, you didn't use the exact words "sexual orientation is genetic", but you stated it was in the genes, but only heterosexuality, not homosexuality because that suits your purpose. Just because it suits your purpose doesn't make it correct. You're statements are contradictory. I've shown you that. If you want to be wrong and ignore the facts then that's your prerogative. lol um no. They are not contradictory. I have shown that over and over. You don't get it. You still seem too stupid to get that I AM NOT SAYING HETEROSEXUALITY IS GENETIC! Geez. The phrase I used was "in the genes". That was not intended in any way to say that heterosexuality is genetic. And had you had half a brain, you could have deduced that from the discussion. Let me say this again for you slowly. Heterosexuality is biological, not genetic. Sex (gender) IS genetic. So while heterosexuality is NOT genetic, it is based on something that is genetic. That's while it is "in our genes." That phrase is a figure of speech. You might hear someone say, "That kid is ornery. It is in his genes." Yet there is no gene for orneriness. However some other aspects of humans that are related to ornriness are genetic. There is a big difference between something being genetic (i.e. there is a gene on our genome that directly controls it), and something being "in our genes" and simply being based off of something else that is genetic. I'm sorry you don't understand. You simply seem incapable. Yet you want to also add rebuttal that the same works for a man and a man. LOL that is laughable. It does not work the same in any way. There is not a point based on actual human genetics that ties homosexuality to genetics in the same way that heterosexuality does. Allow me to get you a copy of a textbook on the human reproductive system. LOL. Good try, but it failed. The connection doesn't exist. THAT is why I can say that there is no sexual orientation gene (because it's true), and at the same time refer to heterosexuality as being "in our genes" and not say that homosexuality is also in our genes. You have once again proven your lack of understanding of the difference between biological and genetic. You now talk about "urges" and somehow say that is genetic. Our urges are NOT genetic, but biological. Therein lies the difference and that is exactly why you don't understand. Male and female is genetic. Sexual orientation is not. Heterosexuality is not an orientation, but rather basic human biology. You seem to lump heterosexuality and homosexuality together and think they must both be the same in origin. However, they are not. One is natural and one is not. One is based on human anatomy and biology (and even genetics when you consider male and female), while the other is not. It is obvious that your beliefs on the subject won't allow you to see that my statements are not contradictory based on my beliefs. You refuse to understand that our points of view differ so drastically that you won't take my beliefs into account in reconciling the statements. You can't see past your own opinion. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 01, 2010, 05:52:51 pm What's the point in even reading that crap. You are an egotistical ****. You think that by calling others stupid it strengthens your argument. Don't say it's in the genes moron. Stick with your biological story and be done with it. I used to think you were intelligent, but you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you aren't. I've never seen someone who thinks they are so smart be so stupid. I would love to see you in a courtroom with these pathetic arguments. If your win rate is more than 5% then the justice system is obviously in shambles.
You contradicted yourself. End of story. Be a **** idiot about it and never admit it. You have to live with your stupidity, I don't O0 Thank God O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 01, 2010, 05:57:49 pm Man it'll be a while before I get to the PC, so I'll take a whack at it from the phone again. :P Quote Firstly, I will state that I haven't read the bible cover to cover, but that doesn't mean I've had no exposure to religion, the bible, etc. So, I have the right frame of mind when reading the bible. That's good then, because there are people who read it for the sole purpose to find contradictions and use rebuttles. Someday I'd like to learn more about muslims, but not for the purpose of argument, but to see what makes them different in their beliefs, and try to understand Islamic beliefs.Quote The reason I brought up Leviticus in the first place is that Ohio stated he believed and followed every word of the bible. So, I just wanted to point out that there are pieces of the bible that didn't seem to be followed in modern day.Now, you two both state that Leviticus is for Israel only. I ask why? Why only Israel? Why not the rest of God's followers? Different rules? Isn't that discrimination? I would think we all live by a standard set of rules in order to be judged by him in a fair manner. Ohio elaborated tis already, and ill just say that it WAS for Isreal, and only Isreal because they were his chosedn covenant people. He couldn't uphold the same standards to people that hadn't even heard of him. Judgement on people without knowledge of God will be different than judgment on those who chose to follow his standard. Quote You stated that the laws were from that time, where is the updated bible describing the laws that should be followed today? Ohio also touched on this and ill add some as well. The old testament law was for the covenant people before Christ. For example, they had to sacrifice animals to show their repentance. That was the law. When Christ was crucified, he atoned for our sin and payed the ransom of it by experiencing physical death. He became the sacrificial lamb (which was symbolic of the sacrificial animals in Old testament) in doing this the sacrificial law changed and he gave us two "new" commandments (which aren't really new, but just a summary of all of the previous commandments): love God, and love your neighbor. (Don't know the exact scripture off the top of my head) Jesus said that He didn't come to give us a new law, but to fulfill the old. Consider the original ten commandments, do they not outline exactly what Jesus says there? Now our temporal punishment is subject to where we live and the laws established there, (as well as a loss of God's holy spirit and presence of it). Our eternal punishment comes when we stand before God to be judged. Quote You are saying that we are to follow the laws of the land even if they contradict what is written in the bible? That's very confusing. How do you know when the laws of the land go too far? How do you know which ones to follow if there are a number of contradictions? well, we are told not to kill, yet we serve in the armed forces and kill to protect out counrty. Am I a hypocrite in doing so? Luckily the law of the land doesn't tell me to steal, cheat, lie, etc. Otherwise I would leave. Quote For example, if the laws of the land state that kechua marriage is legal then shouldn't priests, pastors, ministers, etc have to perform kechua marriages? If they don't then they are going against the laws of the land. Not sure how it is in Canada, but here we have seperation of church and state, so a pastor, minister, etc...is at liberty to chose what ceremonies they will and will not perform. Later on I'll give you an example of our liberty to obey or dissobey the law. Quote You and Ohio disagreed on who should carry out the punishments in Leviticus. To me, it's not clear as to who should carry out those punishments; however, I don't understand how God can put someone to death if there is heaven and hell....symbolically speaking you could say that death means eternal punishment, but why didn't he just say that? Why didn't he say eternal damnation. Isn't that phrase used elsewhere in the bible? If so, then that would lead me to believe he meant death in our lifetime. I'm deducing here ;) You're opening many doors now. Ill try and answer as best as I can. Keep in mind that I'm just stating things to the best of my current knowledge. I've only scratched the surface of scripture as I started 7 years ago, so I don't know everything there is to know. As far as death goes, it can be literal, and that's why the people were told to stone the sinner. He sustained people to positions of authority and they were expected to carry the law out. If they chose not to then they will be judged for that. Death is also symbolic. Spiritual death is something that occures as a result of sin. When Adam sinned the consequence was death. Well, physical death DID result, just not at that moment. Also, he experienced spiritual death, where God's presence left him and he and Eve were kicked out of the garden of eden and left to fend for themselves. We are told though that when we repent then we are entitled to his spiritual presence again- this is one example of the spiritual death that can occure while we are alive. The other spiritual death is the "eternal damnation" one where when we die, had we chose not to repent and turned our back on God then we will not have his presence for all time and eternity (heaven). This is the worse possible death and was a scaring tactic used for the people of Isreal I believe. Also, as far as him not explaining everything to us, all I can say is that there's no point of giving a test if you're just going to give the answers to every question before hand. We are here to be tried and tested to see if we sincerely want to follow him, so he only needs to give us the information we need to pass that test. Quote So, that means the people should be the judge and not God as we haven't seen God kill these people. in OT Isreal yes, the people were to judge in richeousness. Quote You are saying that we aren't killing these people because times have changed and we can ignore those laws now. Or those only applied to Israel. Yep. We are living in nations that aren't lead by him anymore, therefore we need to abide by the laws of the land. If there was a nation lead by him then I'd gladly move there, but that's not so; therefore I go to His church where I believe he is in control and guiding it. Quote And if those apply to Israel then I assume they are still valid laws...I haven't checked the laws of Israel, but I'm guessing they don't follow them as they are written.That brings me back to my initial questions....How do we know what laws we can ignore? That particular law (in Leviticus 20) applied to OT Israel. I'm not Jewish so I don't know the rules in current Israel. And to your question of what laws to ignore; we are all free to ignore any and all law that we chose to. Again, God doesn't force us to do anything we don't want to. Thanks for the insight Kreater O0 We'll take this offline and discuss in some other forum. This one is soiled with the arrogance and stupidity of others. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 01, 2010, 07:17:37 pm I'm glad someone finally agrees with me on Ohio and his arguing.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 02, 2010, 12:53:16 pm This thread is exactly why I don't do politics or religion on message boards anymore. ;)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 02, 2010, 01:10:06 pm I'm glad someone finally agrees with me on Ohio and his arguing. Yes sir. This thread is exactly why I don't do politics or religion on message boards anymore. ;) Well, I usually don't either jd and most of the religion stuff from me was questions more than factual statements. The contradiction actually had nothing to do with religion. I merely pointed out the contradiction and got attacked personally for its uncovering. I pointed it out because a person has no credibility in a discussion when they make contradicting statements. I gave him a chance to pick one path or the other, but he refused and continued to attack me. I find people react that way when they always want to be right. Typical tactic: attack the person who uncovered the contradiction to try and take the attention away from the actual mistake. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 02, 2010, 01:36:16 pm I have a question then. Keep in mind that I have no scientific experience in this field and am just curious.
If homosexuality is genetic, hereditary, biological, yadda yadda, etc...then what about this: I've been attracted to females since at least the age of 5 (I wasn't grossed out by girls like all the other boys at that age). I was a literal man-**** intil I got married and have 2 children. I wonder this though. Say someday that I have a change of mind/heart and leave my wife in search for a man and become attracted to one and eventually become involved with everything that comes along with homosexuality. Would one say that all along I was a homo because I was born with the genes I was, or just that my urges and preference changed and I gave into them? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 02, 2010, 02:02:56 pm I have a question then. Keep in mind that I have no scientific experience in this field and am just curious. If homosexuality is genetic, hereditary, biological, yadda yadda, etc...then what about this: I've been attracted to females since at least the age of 5 (I wasn't grossed out by girls like all the other boys at that age). I was a literal man-**** intil I got married and have 2 children. I wonder this though. Say someday that I have a change of mind/heart and leave my wife in search for a man and become attracted to one and eventually become involved with everything that comes along with homosexuality. Would one say that all along I was a homo because I was born with the genes I was, or just that my urges and preference changed and I gave into them? I've never claimed to be an expert on this. I only pointed out the contradiction. But, from the stories I've heard about homosexuals who have married and had children, they claim that they only tried to be with women because it was what they were taught and they always knew they were attracted to men. So, according to the stories I've heard, I haven't ever heard one like that. I haven't heard someone say they were attracted to women and then switched to men. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 02, 2010, 02:44:10 pm One of my high school friends was attracted to women and used to **** areound too, and he's currently homo. He never said that he was attracted to men all along but that it just turned out that way. Maybe one day I'll ask him if he thinks he was born that way or if he just had a change in preference.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 02, 2010, 03:03:36 pm yeah, I can't really comment on that one because I'm not kechua and like I said the only stories I know the people claim to have been kechua all along. I will say though that I think it's possible some people go through traumatic experiences that make them confused about whether they are kechua or not...
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 02, 2010, 03:38:20 pm lol at the word filter for "gay"
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 04, 2010, 05:35:27 pm I love how I am highly successful in the courtroom, but both DDD and Term both eventually look stupid enough in arguing with me that they always resort to calling that into question.
If you want to lump yourself in with DDD, Term, go ahead. Maybe not the brightest horse to hitch your wagon to, but feel free. You can attempt to argue semantics all you want, I'll stick with arguing facts, thanks. Good night. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: pren23aemaynewtonq on December 05, 2010, 11:51:45 pm I have to agree with tred333 and hope everyone reads those comments
long term care insurance (http://longtermcareinsuranceinfo.com) Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 06, 2010, 11:04:49 am I don't need to hitch my wagon to anyone. I pointed out the facts and you ignore them because you can't admit that you are wrong. You're one of those people that ignores the truth because the truth actually makes a fool of you.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 06, 2010, 11:23:30 am I love how I am highly successful in the courtroom Would you like a pillow for that dream? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 06, 2010, 12:04:47 pm I love how I am highly successful in the courtroom Would you like a pillow for that dream? And Term, I don't know why you are still obsessed with this. I explained to you over and over why in my belief system I believe that there is no sexual orientation gene and that I also find evidence that heterosexuality is natural and based in genetics (i.e. male/female). It is what it is. Why does it bother you so much that you have to continue to insist there is a contradiction there? Logically there is no contradiction, nor is there one in my views. I'm truly sorry you refuse to allow for the views of others and that you fail to understand basic logic. Good luck to you, but I am still amazed you want to continue to argue such a useless point. Does it help your viewpoint if I were to admit I misspoke? Of course not. It is the sign of a loser in an argument who will relegate himself to arguing mundane, pointless topics (such as semantics) in order to avoid his failures in the main topic at hand. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on December 06, 2010, 02:17:16 pm male homosexuals suck ****
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 06, 2010, 02:29:23 pm Quote lol good luck in life kid. Maybe once you grow up and get in the real world you'll understand. But I have no doubt you wouldn't stand a chance even passing the bar exam to become an attorney, let alone being successful, so I needn't waste my time with your childish comments. And I have no doubt you wouldn't last a day in an accounting program or working for a consulting firm but everyone has their strong points don't they? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 06, 2010, 02:59:57 pm Quote lol good luck in life kid. Maybe once you grow up and get in the real world you'll understand. But I have no doubt you wouldn't stand a chance even passing the bar exam to become an attorney, let alone being successful, so I needn't waste my time with your childish comments. And I have no doubt you wouldn't last a day in an accounting program or working for a consulting firm but everyone has their strong points don't they? Well, that may or may not be true about my accounting abilities (you have no idea), I have yet to attack your accounting abilities have I? So therein lies the difference. You have repeatedly attempted to talk about my abilities to do my job, of which you really have no basis to do so. You know nothing about me or my job. You have no clue about my performance, yet you feel the need to make claims against my skill based upon your disagreement with me over some issue on a message board, most of which are really small, mundane issues where we disagree over subtle nuances. You might end up a great accountant for all I know. I have never passed judgment on those abilities. Clearly we DO in fact each have our strong points. Mine is litigation. So you guys can feel free to disagree with me (heck, that is the whole point of the profession of law. If we all agreed there wouldn't be lawyers to make the arguments), but don't think for one second because you disagree that somehow you are automatically right and that I am a bad lawyer because of it. That is just poor logic. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 06, 2010, 03:04:13 pm But you see, you have no idea of my abilities with law either. Sure, you are officially a lawyer but it does not make you any better than anyone else. Just because you disagree with my points does not mean I would have no chance at passing the bar. Sound familiar? Good.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on December 06, 2010, 03:05:56 pm modus ponens
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 06, 2010, 03:12:53 pm talywacker
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 06, 2010, 04:16:03 pm I love how I am highly successful in the courtroom Would you like a pillow for that dream? And Term, I don't know why you are still obsessed with this. I explained to you over and over why in my belief system I believe that there is no sexual orientation gene and that I also find evidence that heterosexuality is natural and based in genetics (i.e. male/female). It is what it is. Why does it bother you so much that you have to continue to insist there is a contradiction there? Logically there is no contradiction, nor is there one in my views. I'm truly sorry you refuse to allow for the views of others and that you fail to understand basic logic. Good luck to you, but I am still amazed you want to continue to argue such a useless point. Does it help your viewpoint if I were to admit I misspoke? Of course not. It is the sign of a loser in an argument who will relegate himself to arguing mundane, pointless topics (such as semantics) in order to avoid his failures in the main topic at hand. Actually, you continued to prove how stupid you are by not even understanding the point of my deductive reasoning joke. Went right over your head O0 Good job at ignoring the fact that you contradicted yourself and missing the point of the joke. Keep going. You look like an idiot. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 07, 2010, 07:43:17 am LOL term. I got your lame joke. Just didn't find it funny. And I didn't contradict myself, so I have no reason to understand that fallacy. I don't look like an idiot here at all. Only in your miniscule mind do I look dumb. And that is only because basic logic elludes you so you hang on to your scrap of an argument hoping that if somehow you can convince someone I contradicted myself, you might have a shot at actually sustaining a point in the main discussion. Sorry to break it to you, that is not and will not happen. Have fun in fantasy land.
But you see, you have no idea of my abilities with law either. Sure, you are officially a lawyer but it does not make you any better than anyone else. Just because you disagree with my points does not mean I would have no chance at passing the bar. Sound familiar? Good. Actually, I do have an idea of your abilities of law. Being someone in the profession who has gone through the rigors of law school and the practice, I am confident that there is no way anyone can be a skilled lawyer without having gone through an accredited law school. It is just the nature of the game. You might think you know a lot about the law, but believe me, you don't. That I am confident of. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 07, 2010, 11:50:18 am Quote Actually, I do have an idea of your abilities of law. Being someone in the profession who has gone through the rigors of law school and the practice, I am confident that there is no way anyone can be a skilled lawyer without having gone through an accredited law school. It is just the nature of the game. You might think you know a lot about the law, but believe me, you don't. That I am confident of. Skilled lawyer is an oxymoron. I'd rather them call them a product of a flawed system. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 07, 2010, 12:03:31 pm LOL is all I have to say.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Laughing Turd on December 07, 2010, 01:04:40 pm argument is over my niggas. GTFO!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: IBU on December 07, 2010, 03:02:28 pm Ill never understand the people that enjoy arguing.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on December 07, 2010, 03:19:23 pm here's some logic for all of you:
two men walk in a bar Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 07, 2010, 03:39:20 pm Ouch.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Laughing Turd on December 08, 2010, 06:48:46 am here's some logic for all of you: (http://www.thenakedgeneral.com/IMAGES/your_mother_is_whore.jpg) fix'd Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 08, 2010, 11:39:17 am LMAO
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 08, 2010, 01:26:37 pm LOL term. I got your lame joke. Just didn't find it funny. And I didn't contradict myself, so I have no reason to understand that fallacy. I don't look like an idiot here at all. Only in your miniscule mind do I look dumb. And that is only because basic logic elludes you so you hang on to your scrap of an argument hoping that if somehow you can convince someone I contradicted myself, you might have a shot at actually sustaining a point in the main discussion. Sorry to break it to you, that is not and will not happen. Have fun in fantasy land. But you see, you have no idea of my abilities with law either. Sure, you are officially a lawyer but it does not make you any better than anyone else. Just because you disagree with my points does not mean I would have no chance at passing the bar. Sound familiar? Good. Actually, I do have an idea of your abilities of law. Being someone in the profession who has gone through the rigors of law school and the practice, I am confident that there is no way anyone can be a skilled lawyer without having gone through an accredited law school. It is just the nature of the game. You might think you know a lot about the law, but believe me, you don't. That I am confident of. No, you didn't get the joke. I could tell by your response. And in terms of logic, I've had plenty of experience with that. I've taken accredited courses on that subject and I can guarantee you that you fail with your logic. BTW, it's your minuscule brain that has gotten you into this mess. Pointing out your contradiction has nothing to do with the discussion in this thread (other than diminishing your credibility). When I first brought it up I asked you to choose rather than contradicting yourself. You refused and called me stupid. Great argument O0 I also stand behind my assessment of your ability as lawyer. If your arguments are anything close to what I've seen on WU (especially this thread) then it shows that you have no ability to logically argue a point. Your skills of deduction suck as I pointed out with my joke. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything in this thread. You've done that all on your own O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MEX on December 08, 2010, 01:54:11 pm OMG....... How the eff did I ever miss out on this topic for so long?! :o
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 08, 2010, 02:10:44 pm OMG....... How the eff did I ever miss out on this topic for so long?! :o did you even read everything? >_>Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MEX on December 08, 2010, 02:29:43 pm Naw I just saw real quick that Term and Dude were going at it with Ohio.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 08, 2010, 02:31:10 pm It would appear we are at impasse, Mr. Term. You fail to see my logic and therefore call me stupid. I completely disagree with yours and believe you are an idiot. No sense in continuing to tell each other about it. The readers of this thread can decide for themselves if there was a contradiction. However, after seeing your diminished capacity for abstract thought, it does not bother me in the slightest that you think I am stupid or that I am a bad lawyer. In fact, given your ability to reason, I would feel bad if you DID think I was smart or a good lawyer. I will stick to gaining the respect of the legal community in which I practice, those people I know are intelligent and skilled attorneys and have a good referrence point on which to base their opinions, rather than some random moron on the internet who is clearly subpar in the area of cerebral function.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 08, 2010, 02:41:21 pm Naw I just saw real quick that Term and Dude were going at it with Ohio. Fail. Read the darn posts, foo!Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 08, 2010, 02:52:58 pm A) There was a contradiction.
B) The legal system a flawed system, so gaining respect from other people involved with it means less than nothing. C) LOL Bears Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MEX on December 08, 2010, 03:08:22 pm Naw I just saw real quick that Term and Dude were going at it with Ohio. Fail. Read the darn posts, foo!I did smim through some posts already. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 08, 2010, 03:25:14 pm A) There was a contradiction. B) The legal system a flawed system, so gaining respect from other people involved with it means less than nothing. C) LOL Bears what would a canadian know about our legal system anyways :P Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 08, 2010, 06:02:08 pm (http://waywardmonkey.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/duty-calls.png)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 08, 2010, 06:13:45 pm It's not about the concept of someone being wrong, it's the concept that one particular lawyer thinks he's above everyone else. :P
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 08, 2010, 07:46:03 pm It's not about the concept of someone being wrong, it's the concept that one particular lawyer thinks he's above everyone else. :P Agreed. End of story. And he IS a moron O0 Found this joke on the Internet, apparently they know Ohio: What do you call Ohio Lawyer chained to the bottom of the ocean? A job well done, who cares about the other 999 O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Laughing Turd on December 08, 2010, 10:58:33 pm YOU luvin' KUNNERS SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 09, 2010, 12:22:29 pm It's not about the concept of someone being wrong, it's the concept that one particular lawyer thinks he's above everyone else. :P Not everyone else. Just you and term and the brain cell you share that can't comprehend that something being genetic is very different from there being a specific gene/allele for that trait. Maybe read a medical textbook and get back to me. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 09, 2010, 12:54:18 pm It's not about the concept of someone being wrong, it's the concept that one particular lawyer thinks he's above everyone else. :P Not everyone else. Just you and term and the brain cell you share that can't comprehend that something being genetic is very different from there being a specific gene/allele for that trait. Maybe read a medical textbook and get back to me. Right, because you are a lawyer and therefore an expert on biology, genetics, logic, and anything else you decide to open your mouth about. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MEX on December 09, 2010, 01:26:06 pm Oh this is some good stuff! :D
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 09, 2010, 01:59:17 pm It's not about the concept of someone being wrong, it's the concept that one particular lawyer thinks he's above everyone else. :P Not everyone else. Just you and term and the brain cell you share that can't comprehend that something being genetic is very different from there being a specific gene/allele for that trait. Maybe read a medical textbook and get back to me. Right, because you are a lawyer and therefore an expert on biology, genetics, logic, and anything else you decide to open your mouth about. Show me where I'm wrong then smart guy. I assumed it was basic scientific knowledge that just because something is "genetic" doesn't mean there is a specific allele on the genome that controls it (i.e. some cancers can be "genetic" yet there is no cancer gene). I thought this was simple enough that I didn't need to bring in an expert to show you. I gave your intelligence too much credit to start with, and for that I applogize. It won't happen again. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 09, 2010, 02:23:58 pm Ha ha. I've shown you many times and you refuse to accept your contradiction because you are "Mr. Expert" on everything and never contradict yourself. Your arguments are extremely flawed. You criticize others for their expertise in certain areas. Have you taken any accredited logic courses? Have you researched genetics yourself to make the claims that you've made? What is your biology background? You were pretty quick to tell DDD that he had little to no legal skill and you were certain of that because he hadn't taken any accredited courses. I guess the same doesn't apply to you, simply because you are a legend in your own mind. Explaining this to you is impossible because your head is stuck up your ass. Get your head out of your ass and you may have more success in life (as long as your eyes aren't full of **** like the rest of your body) O0 There's some free advice for you.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 09, 2010, 02:49:02 pm Once again smart guy, I HAVE taken accredited courses in ALL of the subjects you mentioned (and in fact you have to take a logic test just to APPLY for law school, let alone make it through and pass the bar exam). Thank you very much.
However I find that irrelevant because you still have yet to respond accurately to my point. You have also yet to point out any flawed logic other than you saying so. Please answer this: There are many things that are "genetic" that there is no gene/allele for. Do you agree with this? Assuming you are smart enough to agree with that, then how can you possibly claim my position is a contradiction when I believe that hetrosexuality is genetic but also believe there is no sexual orientation gene? It is that simple, yet you still claim it is a contradiction. It has become clear you would rather cast dispersions on me rather than utilize what little logic you have in your brain and accept the fact that based on my belief system about sexual orientation, there is no contradiction whatsoever. You are too dumb to apply anyone's point of view to the situation other than your own. And I hate to break it to you, but not everyone agrees with you. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 09, 2010, 02:57:26 pm BREAKING NEWS EVERYONE!!!!
Since Liver Cancer is genetic, according to Term, then there must also exist a gene whereby it can be turned off and on. TERM JUST CURED CANCER!!!!!! He has done in a few pages of outrageous claims on a message board what decades of medical research could not! . . . . . . . . . . Oh wait, it doesn't work that way. I guess all those scientists who say it is genetic while also that there is no gene for it are morons. Sorry world, Term has spoken. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 09, 2010, 03:05:35 pm LOL. I have stated very clearly where there is a contradiction. Like I said, your head is in your ass.
If I'm such a moron then why do you keep coming back? I find it hilarious that you keep coming back to prove to everyone that you didn't contradict yourself and that you are so smart. Apparently you need that acceptance. I never once stated that everyone agrees with me, obviously your fragile yet overinflated ego needs that acceptance. I don't. If they want to state their opinion then they certainly can. None of that changes the fact that you contradicted yourself. And I'm sorry, but I'm pretty certain (I won't say that I know, I'll leave that male cattle dung to you) you haven't taken the proper genetics courses and done the proper research on your own to back up your claims. I would be shocked (if people were being honest) if anyone with half a brain on here thought that you didn't have an overinflated ego. I would be shocked if people felt you were willing to admit your mistakes. I would be shocked if people disagreed with the statement that you always think you are correct. That pretty much sums up your credibility asswipe. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 09, 2010, 03:10:20 pm Sorry, but again your example isn't the same thing. Compare apples to apples dummy. I don't expect a valid analogy from a moron like you.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 09, 2010, 03:24:06 pm b)
I'm calling bullIRS on this whole thread. This seems like something Term and Ohio cooked up to get this board humming again, and draw attention. I expect Term will be canceling his account any day now (ala LT), to show his contempt. ^-^ Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 09, 2010, 03:24:52 pm Sorry, but again your example isn't the same thing. Compare apples to apples dummy. I don't expect a valid analogy from a moron like you. How so retard? Explain how they are different or get your ingorant self out of here. A moron like yourself simply saying there is a contradiction doesn't make it so. I have bent over backwards to show you how basic logic and reasoning along with the scientific facts support my position that there is no contradiction. Yet you are too stupid and/or hardheaded to accept it. I even have now presented you with a perfect example that saying something is genetic =/= there being a gene for it. And that very simply logical statement is PROOF positive that I didn't contradict myself. You can attempt to say it is apples and oranges, but you are dead wrong. The EXACT same principle applies to both scenarios. So now put your small brain where your mouth is and make an attempt to back it up. Explain to us all how my example of cancer and sexuality are different in concept. Go ahead and try. It is impossible. I know I am arrogant and egotistical and love to argue. Tell me something I don't know. Regardless, that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The fact that you rely upon it to attempt to make your argument proves how weak your position is. Instead of attacking me, try attacking my point. Oh wait, you can't. Nevermind. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 09, 2010, 03:36:51 pm Quote Not everyone else. Just you and term and the brain cell you share that can't comprehend that something being genetic is very different from there being a specific gene/allele for that trait. Maybe read a medical textbook and get back to me. Jumping to conclusions are we? I don't ever recall talking about genes in this thread and here you are, accusing me of doing so. Maybe you should read a textbook, on how lawyers are lawyers, not experts in every field known to man. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: IBU on December 09, 2010, 03:47:34 pm b) I'm calling bullIRS on this whole thread. This seems like something Term and Ohio cooked up to get this board humming again, and draw attention. I expect Term will be canceling his account any day now (ala LT), to show his contempt. ^-^ Hmmm I think you might be right, good call O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 09, 2010, 04:14:39 pm Quote Not everyone else. Just you and term and the brain cell you share that can't comprehend that something being genetic is very different from there being a specific gene/allele for that trait. Maybe read a medical textbook and get back to me. Jumping to conclusions are we? I don't ever recall talking about genes in this thread and here you are, accusing me of doing so. Maybe you should read a textbook, on how lawyers are lawyers, not experts in every field known to man. Must I really quote the multiple times you agreed with Term that I contradicted myself? Or are you still too dumb to understand that the alleged contradiction was regarding genes and that your agreements with the contradiction implies your aquiescence to Term's position on the genetic point? Which is it? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 09, 2010, 04:19:24 pm Quote Must I really quote the multiple times you agreed with Term that I contradicted myself? Woah!!! I can agree that you contradicted yourself, without having to agree with Term or anyone else for that matter believes. Quote Or are you still too dumb to understand that the alleged contradiction was regarding genes and that your agreements with the contradiction implies your aquiescence to Term's position on the genetic point? It does not imply this at all. If John tells Mike that he contradicts himself, whether or not I believe what John believes, Mike could still very well be contradicting himself. I don't understand why you attack so easily, when you clearly have no bearing on logically strong or sound arguments. Re-read your critical thinking textbooks and then come back and discuss, because you don't have the knowledge to argue at this point in time. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Laughing Turd on December 09, 2010, 06:31:49 pm You gotta admit, we had you goin' pretty good. only thing I regret is losing all my messages. I had a ton and some that I would have rather kept. I think Lakkshakk got fooled hardest.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 09, 2010, 07:10:33 pm Sorry, but again your example isn't the same thing. Compare apples to apples dummy. I don't expect a valid analogy from a moron like you. How so retard? Explain how they are different or get your ingorant self out of here. A moron like yourself simply saying there is a contradiction doesn't make it so. I have bent over backwards to show you how basic logic and reasoning along with the scientific facts support my position that there is no contradiction. Yet you are too stupid and/or hardheaded to accept it. I even have now presented you with a perfect example that saying something is genetic =/= there being a gene for it. And that very simply logical statement is PROOF positive that I didn't contradict myself. You can attempt to say it is apples and oranges, but you are dead wrong. The EXACT same principle applies to both scenarios. So now put your small brain where your mouth is and make an attempt to back it up. Explain to us all how my example of cancer and sexuality are different in concept. Go ahead and try. It is impossible. I know I am arrogant and egotistical and love to argue. Tell me something I don't know. Regardless, that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The fact that you rely upon it to attempt to make your argument proves how weak your position is. Instead of attacking me, try attacking my point. Oh wait, you can't. Nevermind. Like I said, I altready pointed out that you contradicted yourself. I don't need to go there again, feel free to re-read the posts, but I expect the same result as you seem to be getting dumber with each post. Oh hey, that reminds me of a saying. You're dumb as a post O0 You've contradicted yourself and have not proven otherwise. You still haven't shown me your genetic research. That's how stupid you are. The fact that you are arrogant, love to argue, and always think you are right has everything to do with this. See, you do suck at being a lawyer. It shows that no matter what the cirman-juicestances you will insist that you are right, so whether you have a logical argument or not, nobody will believe you because you are known to have those flaws. It's called character flaws. I would assume you know about character witnesses....being such a fantastic lawyer. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 10, 2010, 12:47:17 am Sorry, but again your example isn't the same thing. Compare apples to apples dummy. I don't expect a valid analogy from a moron like you. How so retard? Explain how they are different or get your ingorant self out of here. A moron like yourself simply saying there is a contradiction doesn't make it so. I have bent over backwards to show you how basic logic and reasoning along with the scientific facts support my position that there is no contradiction. Yet you are too stupid and/or hardheaded to accept it. I even have now presented you with a perfect example that saying something is genetic =/= there being a gene for it. And that very simply logical statement is PROOF positive that I didn't contradict myself. You can attempt to say it is apples and oranges, but you are dead wrong. The EXACT same principle applies to both scenarios. So now put your small brain where your mouth is and make an attempt to back it up. Explain to us all how my example of cancer and sexuality are different in concept. Go ahead and try. It is impossible. I know I am arrogant and egotistical and love to argue. Tell me something I don't know. Regardless, that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The fact that you rely upon it to attempt to make your argument proves how weak your position is. Instead of attacking me, try attacking my point. Oh wait, you can't. Nevermind. Like I said, I altready pointed out that you contradicted yourself. I don't need to go there again, feel free to re-read the posts, but I expect the same result as you seem to be getting dumber with each post. Oh hey, that reminds me of a saying. You're dumb as a post O0 You've contradicted yourself and have not proven otherwise. You still haven't shown me your genetic research. That's how stupid you are. The fact that you are arrogant, love to argue, and always think you are right has everything to do with this. See, you do suck at being a lawyer. It shows that no matter what the cirman-juicestances you will insist that you are right, so whether you have a logical argument or not, nobody will believe you because you are known to have those flaws. It's called character flaws. I would assume you know about character witnesses....being such a fantastic lawyer. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 08:09:59 am @ DDD, I never said you believed what Term does. I said you had to have aquiesced to his position about gentics if you agree that I contradicted myself. And that is true. The only way he is claiming I contradicted myself is based on an errant understanding of use of terms in genetics. While I contend that I did not contradict myself because the way I used the terms actually gels without a contradiction if you understand genetics. So since the discussion of the contradiction is not an abstract logic argument, but rather a disagreement on the use of the terms "genetic" and "in your genes", you cannot possibly weigh in on the issue of the contradiction without also making an implied statement about the genetics issue (regardless of what you believe). Nice try though.
@ Term, not a single one of your replies concerning a possible contradiction answers my response that it is not a contradiction. I went back and read them all. You simply quoted two of my lines, and claimed a contradiction. Then when I responded dozens of times that there is no contradiction, while citing several reasons why the two statements are not contradictory even though facially they appear that way. You never once responded with any arguments to the contrary, you simply claimed over and over that it is a contradiction because your foolish concept of logic dictates to your brain that it is. So while it is laughable that you judge my arguing and lawyering abilities, you somehow think you have actually put forth an argument that is a winner without even supporting it at all. You now ask for my genetic research (which I provided sources to the human genome project already) and think I must prove to you the basic logical points I have proferred. And that isn't how an argument works. I put forth my logical proof, and you can either agree with it, or provide your own proof to the contrary. It isn't my job to educate your ignorance. If you can't grasp my argument, then educate yourself to counter. I'm not playing teacher to you. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 10, 2010, 08:50:33 am Just like I predicted. My proof can't hold a candle to yours :'( I feel so sad because Ohio's logic is much better than mine.
Ohio Lawyer's Resume: PhD in Biology Expert in the field of genetics (I don't simply reference other people's research and claim to be an expert) 100% win rate as a Lawyer (My father is Satan) Expert on the English language and it's interpretations, inferences, structure, etc. Either a crappy MoH player or a Mediocre player with a tendency to lie Expert in logic (accreditation to back it up) Expert in debates (I call people stupid to take attention away from my mistakes) Expert in dealing with Wikileaks Expert in movie quotes I'm never wrong (I will dance until I die to avoid admitting that I am wrong) Biblical scholar To be continued I'm sure...there are many other topics out there for you to be an expert on. It must be a burden to be so knowing. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 10, 2010, 08:59:25 am ...100% win rate as a Lawyer (My father is Satan) ... Good flick. O0 (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzMjASIojrXFN6x-n7_O5i8nymN5I8-tHlk4XqkVnhDiGPxs6Vcm8FB8MIzQ) Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 09:01:01 am what proof? ???
your statement that a contradiction exists does not and cannot constitute proof. But thanks for the list of my accomplishments. It further cements the fact that rather than address the issues, you would rather defer to your weak sense of humor. you would rather attack me than make a valid argument. You call me arrogant, yet you ask us all to assume you are right because you say so and that by making fun of me you are somehow adding to your argument. Talk about arrogance. Just admit you were mistaken. You tried to call me out for a perceived contradiction because of two facially dissimilar statements. Once I proved to you that dispite the superficial contradiction, the actual relevant facts and cirman-juicestances render the two statements reconcilable, you have now resorted to childish gameplaying. It is not my fault you simply cannot grasp the reconciliation. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 10, 2010, 10:56:44 am Been there, showed you the contradiction. I disagree with your counter-argument. That's the point that seems to elude you. I don't agree that you have proven otherwise. So, I don't have to state anything beyond what I've already stated. You need to admit that you are mistaken, not me.
BTW, You started the personal attacks a long time ago. I just followed suit. You're just butthurt because the points I've made are accurate. I'm sorry if you got your feelings hurt, but all you had to do was admit the contradiction. I normally don't try to make people feel bad (even on the Internet) because I try to be a nice guy, but you were the one that turned it into this. It's your fault that we are at this point. Just a word of advice, if you keep up this know-it-all attitude you will eventually rub everyone you know the wrong way. They might not tell you that, but they will certainly say it behind your back and have a different opinion of you. All I did was point out the contradiction and you "proceeded to become an expert" in every topic mentioned in this thread. Who's the arrogant one? Who's the know-it-all? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 11:51:21 am Quote I said you had to have aquiesced to his position I don't give a flying fuck about Terminator's views or opinions on genetics or yours for that matter. I don't know enough to protest anyones beliefs. What I do know about, is arguments. A contradictory statement instantly nullifies the validity and consistency of an argument. Quote While I contend that I did not contradict myself because the way I used the terms actually gels without a contradiction if you understand genetics. I don't need to understand biology to know that someone is saying polar opposite statements. Unless you want to contest what "in our genes" means, you have no argument. Now you don't believe that you contradicted yourself, which basically means you can't read. Terminator already displayed exactly where you went wrong and I will do it again for you. Quote There does not exist a sexual orientation gene. Quote There are many genes for male and female. Clearly heterosexuality is in our genes. How can you not see two contradictory statements? They are polar opposites. It doesn't take an expert in human genes to see this. This statement breaks the law of non-contradiction The people who derived what an argument is came up with the law of non-contradiction and you seriously want to say that it's not contradictory? P = There exist a sexual orientation gene `P= There exist no sexual orientation gene This is a textbook example. I should submit this for the next copy of the Reasoning and Critical thinking and I'm sure they would use it. Quote you have now resorted to childish gameplaying. You actually want to tell people this? Last time I checked, you started this pages ago. This has to be the most hypocritical statement to date on here. You run out of arguments, so you fill the page with meaningless bullshit and random name calling. Quote But thanks for the list of my accomplishments. It further cements the fact that rather than address the issues, you would rather defer to your weak sense of humor. Weak > None Quote you would rather attack me than make a valid argument. Take a page out of your own book. This is attacking Term, not making a valid argument. See how much time you waste? Quote You call me arrogant, yet you ask us all to assume you are right because you say so and that by making fun of me you are somehow adding to your argument I'm sure your character count would be half the size if you actually listened to your own advice. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 12:24:27 pm LOL term at thinking my feelings are hurt. Quite the contrary. I think it is funny that you still think you are right and think that your jokes accomplish some purpose. As to the discussion, you showing me a perceived contradiction is not providing proof or counter arguments to my argument. Learn to argue please. Also, you saying you disagree with my counter argument is also not stating an argument but a position. Once again, please learn to argue. You have yet to attempt to REFUTE my counter argument with any sort of rebuttal.
And to DDD, you are now demonstrating you do not understand what we are talking about so please butt out (although terms understanding of the same issues is much like yours which is why he refuses to accept the fact that there is no contradiction). Your logic example is horribly flawed. You posed an argument for the fact that my two statements are facially contradictory. I have already conceded that fact. However you seem to not grasp that in logic, facially contradictory and actual contradiction are two different things. If you take a litteral, non-contextual look at the two statements, they would appear to be contradicitons. However, in the area of genetics, the two statements are actually not contradictory at all. That is why it is necessary to apply genetics to the discussion in order to take a position. You have refused to do so, so your position is invalid. Once the specifics of genetics are applied, you can see there is no contradiction. In genetics, a particular condition can be "in our genes" (or "genetic") without there being a specific gene (or location on the genome) for that particular trait or condition. Refusal to acknowledge this fact is precisely why you and term insist you are correct when you are not. Further, I said "there is no sexual orientation gene". This is a basic and true statement. Then I proceeded to say that HETEROSEXUALITY is in our genes. Notice I did not say sexual orientation is in our genes. That would be more of a contradictory statement. But I didn't say that. In my beliefs, homosexuality is a choice and is not genetic. However, I believe heterosexuality is natural to the human condition. So I don't view it as a sexual orientation, but rather simply "sexuality". Homosexuality is a deviation from true sexuality. And as such, my statements are not actually contradictory, although they are on their faces. So given that, you simply cannot take a side in this without naturally also including the genetics issue. And you cannot limit your position to a simple look at the words themselves as contradictory, but you must look at the concepts the words represent. Any logic teacher would have explained that to you if you actually had taken a logic course. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 10, 2010, 12:56:54 pm You're hilarious Ohio. DDD is bang on. Take my advice and you will be much more successful in life O0
I forgot to add one of the funniest resume items: Expert in homosexuality O0 And based on your comments we'll probably be adding Expert in sense of humor or maybe just Expert in judging others sense of humor Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 10, 2010, 01:20:52 pm Cool. Now that that's settled, how 'bout you fruits kiss and make up? :P :-*
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 01:25:05 pm I will take into consideration genes for you and still prove your contradiction.
Quote In genetics, a particular condition can be "in our genes" (or "genetic") without there being a specific gene (or location on the genome) for that particular trait or condition. So you are telling me that something that has no specific genes can still be in our genes? If there's no sexual orientation gene, heterosexuality is therefore not in our genes. It's physically impossible. No, I'm not a genetic expert but you clearly have zero knowledge on how genes actually work. What you fail to understand is that heterosexuality is a form of sexual orientation so if that gene doesn't exist, heterosexuality is not in our genes. For you to say otherwise destroys all credibility you have on the subject. Are you happy now? Does this suffice as taking genetics into consideration because your statements are still contradictory. Learn what sexual orientation is and that heterosexuality is part of sexual orientation. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 01:54:38 pm LOL DDD, that has been Term's position. Yet it fails to take into account my examples from genetics. If a particular disease is "genetic" (i.e. passed down from our parents), that doesn't mean there is a gene for that disease. My prior example was Liver Cancer. It is genetic and I am predisposed to it because my grandfather had. However there is no cancer gene.
Your argument completely fails to take into account how genetics work. Many things that are "genetic" do not have genes themselves on our genome, but rather other parts of our genes that control other things that lead to them (i.e. male and female gender leading naturally to heterosexuality). THAT is my point. You have once again proved a FACIAL contradiction but not an actual one. Why is that so hard for you to understand? And thanks for the advice that will make me so successful in life, Term. I am glad I could take advice from a complete tool and idiot who clearly knows so much about logic, the law, and my current position in life. Way to go man, you are awesome. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 02:09:55 pm What you fail to understand is that heterosexuality is a form of sexual orientation so if that gene doesn't exist, heterosexuality is not in our genes. For you to say otherwise destroys all credibility you have on the subject. Ah, so now I must conform to your belief system about sexuality. I knew all along that was your's and term's positions. I already said, I don't believe in sexual orientation in that way. I believe humans are heterosexual by nature and homosexuality is a deviation of that norm. So I disagree with you that heterosexuality is a form of sexual orientation. I believe it is the ONLY natural sexual orientation. To use the term "orientation" implies a person's "natural leanings". And I disagree with that assertion. But I like how you revealed your true colors in stating that because I disagree with you I have lost credibility. That is always a good position to take when it comes to credibility. LOL. We clearly have opposite beliefs on the subject, but that doesn't mean one of us lost credibility for holding those beliefs. This is the same thing I had to keep telling Term. You are trying to impart your beliefs on the subject onto me in analyzing my argument and my credibility. Did you ever stop to think your beliefs could be wrong? Why don't you try analyzing my arguments in light of my own beliefs in order to claim that I contradicted myself? Because that is the only way to find an actual contradiction. I could apply my beliefs to your statements all day long and find all kids of contradictions. But that doesn't make them real unless I consider them in light of your own beliefs. Geez you two are dense. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 10, 2010, 02:34:02 pm See, you still can't see it. You are the one who claimed to be the expert on everything. Not me.
I merely pointed out the contradiction. You started the insults to defend your position and offered up no valid counter-argument. You can tell me all day that your argument shows that there is no contradiction, but it doesn't. Your ego has gotten in the way of your logic. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 02:38:51 pm Cancer is entirely different. Cancer is caused by a mutation in a gene, and this mutation causes a change in the cell patterns and growth. The mutation is passed from parent to offspring. Are you saying a mutation in a gene is what causes heterosexuality and that's what is passed from parent to child? If so, a mutation in a gene can also cause homosexuality which means it is no longer a choice, and that it is also in the genes. Theres a contradiction for you.
Quote I already said, I don't believe in sexual orientation in that way. I believe humans are heterosexual by nature and homosexuality is a deviation of that norm. So I disagree with you that heterosexuality is a form of sexual orientation. I believe it is the ONLY natural sexual orientation. To use the term "orientation" implies a person's "natural leanings". And I disagree with that assertion. Actually, sexual orientation is one's tendencies of sexual attraction, not what someone learns through nature. You can't argue this, it's fact. It's not and never will be up for debate. Good try. Quote But I like how you revealed your true colors in stating that because I disagree with you I have lost credibility. That is always a good position to take when it comes to credibility. I don't care if you disagree with me, but disagree with science and proven fact, and you lose credibility. Quote You are trying to impart your beliefs on the subject onto me in analyzing my argument and my credibility. Did you ever stop to think your beliefs could be wrong? Fun fact: I have 4th year biology major who currently works for a cancer research center. I'm sure he knows more about genes than you do sir. Quote Why don't you try analyzing my arguments in light of my own beliefs in order to claim that I contradicted myself? Because your beliefs are wrong. You want to argue what sexual orientation is, how can I believe what you say? Quote Because that is the only way to find an actual contradiction. I could apply my beliefs to your statements all day long and find all kids of contradictions. You need to stop bringing up beliefs because in what fucking place is belief counted as importance? What you believe and what is right can be polar opposites. Quote But that doesn't make them real unless I consider them in light of your own beliefs. I run on fact. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 03:13:55 pm LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DDD, that was hilarious. Your entire post was based on the assumption that homosexuality is scientifically proven to be something we are born with. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is one of the biggest discussions out there, and you are attacking my position as though your position is proven by science. Good luck with that. Science debates this issue ad nauseum and all of a sudden you think you know it all and that the issue isn't up for debate. You are freaking hilarious man. You truly have lost all credibility. Despite what you have alleged here, homosexuality is not something a person is born with. And you have no scientific proof to contend otherwise at all. This is precisely why I have been arguing with you two morons. My whole point is that my beliefs are one thing and yours are another. However on this issue, science has never provided an answer. Yet you idiots feel the need to say I contradicted myself for my beliefs and then argue logic until you're blue in the face. When in reality this is a debate with no scientific answer, only beliefs and opinions, but you two act like your position is established. This is why I find you both to be hyprocrites. I am not claiming to be an expert in anything here yet you keep saying I am. All I am saying is what I believe on the hotly debated subject. I stated a scientific fact about the human genome along with the source. And you guys are the ones claiming your position is the only one that can be argued and that anyone who disagrees with you is and idiot. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. But you might want to take a step back and realize just how much of what you are claiming is fact is actually hotly debated with no science on either side. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 03:16:29 pm Wait a minute here, where did I say you are born homosexual?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 03:18:07 pm Actually, sexual orientation is one's tendencies of sexual attraction, not what someone learns through nature. You can't argue this, it's fact. It's not and never will be up for debate. Good try. ^ Here. Although your english is pretty poor here ("learns through nature" what the heck is that?), but you are basically saying sexual orientation is the tendencies one has that are not learned, i.e. born with. You either are born with something or learn it. Those are your only two choices. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Laughing Turd on December 10, 2010, 03:19:10 pm Fantastic. These things make me want to argue with the police yelling **** the police!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 03:19:34 pm That's not saying you are born with it. That's saying that sexual orientation isn't just heterosexuality.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 03:22:13 pm That's not saying you are born with it. That's saying that sexual orientation isn't just heterosexuality. what? how is it saying that? look it up. the term sexual orientation refers to one's "natural" tendencies. Therefore implying you are born with them. It goes back to the nature vs. nurture arguments. It is either nature, i.e. born with it, or nurture, i.e. learned. I am saying homosexuality is NOT nature, nor natural. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 03:25:46 pm Actually no.
"is the affectional or loving attraction to another person. It can be considered as ranging along a continuum from same-sex attraction only at one end of the continuum to opposite-sex attraction only at the other end." www.bouldercounty.org/health/commhlth/safezone/LGBTIQ/definitions.htm "How one thinks of oneself in terms of to whom one is sexually and/or romantically attracted. Orientation is dependent NOT upon physical experience, but rather on a person's feelings and attractions." members.tripod.com/lavendar_women-ivil/id13.html As you can see, no definitions make reference to natural belief. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 03:33:31 pm so where do you claim sexual orientation comes from?
I am in the camp that it is not inborn. And because of this, I reject the concept of sexual orientation altogether. I believe in "sexuality" rather than orientation because I believe in only one true human orientation. Since I believe in one orientation, it is redundant to use a term like sexual orientation. I believe homosexuality is a chosen devaition from the only true form of human sexuality. That is why I dislike the term sexual orientation and believe it implies more than one orientation. And since those who dispute the claim that heterosexuality is natural, also argue that homosexuality is not against nature and is inborn, you can see why I place the term of sexual orientation in the same boat with the inborn argument. The definitions you posted are products of our society where it is becoming more commonly accepted that sexuality is inborn or that homosexuality is normal. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 03:35:54 pm I don't have a camp. I am merely here to point out flaws in your logic. So back on topic....
Cancer is entirely different. Cancer is caused by a mutation in a gene, and this mutation causes a change in the cell patterns and growth. The mutation is passed from parent to offspring. Are you saying a mutation in a gene is what causes heterosexuality and that's what is passed from parent to child? If so, a mutation in a gene can also cause homosexuality which means it is no longer a choice, and that it is also in the genes. Theres a contradiction for you. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 10, 2010, 03:38:53 pm No-one ever answered my question.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 03:41:32 pm I didn't see it. Where is it?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 04:17:33 pm I don't have a camp. I am merely here to point out flaws in your logic. So back on topic.... Cancer is entirely different. Cancer is caused by a mutation in a gene, and this mutation causes a change in the cell patterns and growth. The mutation is passed from parent to offspring. Are you saying a mutation in a gene is what causes heterosexuality and that's what is passed from parent to child? If so, a mutation in a gene can also cause homosexuality which means it is no longer a choice, and that it is also in the genes. Theres a contradiction for you. The point is that my logic has no flaws. Based on my beliefs, my logic is flawless. The only possible way to claim otherwise is to apply someone else's beliefs. That is my point. Can you at least understand that based on the belief in my last post that there is no contradiction? I believe heterosexuality is inborn (i.e. in our genes) and I also believe there is no gene for sexual orientation. Based on those beliefs, there is no contradiction. And as for your point about cancer, the fact that the gene mutates is irrelevant. The point is that there is no gene for cancer. So clearly there is more going on in genetics than simply what genes do and do not exist. Whether it be mutation, or errors in cell division/duplication, or any other factor, the fact is that which genes we have is not the end of genetics. And that is why I can say there is no sexual orientation gene and at the same time speak of something else that is genetic based on something outside of that limited understanding of genetics. So by bringing up mutation, you have actually proved my point that genetics is much more than just which genes are present. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 04:34:16 pm Quote The point is that my logic has no flaws. Based on my beliefs, my logic is flawless. Honestly, I've never laughed so hard at a statement. Obviously, according to your beliefs, you think it's correct but that doesn't mean you are right. Quote Can you at least understand that based on the belief in my last post that there is no contradiction? I believe heterosexuality is inborn (i.e. in our genes) and I also believe there is no gene for sexual orientation. Based on those beliefs, there is no contradiction. Yes I understand your belief but I'm proving to you that it is not possible. If heterosexuality is inborn, it must come from somewhere. Whether its a mutation or its a gene, it must come from somewhere in the DNA. This means that homosexuality must also come from the DNA. It's fine that you believe heterosexuality is inborn, but saying homosexuality is not makes it a contradiction. Quote And as for your point about cancer, the fact that the gene mutates is irrelevant. The point is that there is no gene for cancer. So clearly there is more going on in genetics than simply what genes do and do not exist. Whether it be mutation, or errors in cell division/duplication, or any other factor, the fact is that which genes we have is not the end of genetics. That's totally fine but you have to be consistent with your logic. The inconsistency arises when you say that heterosexuality is inborn but homosexuality is not. It's either they both are, or they both are not. That's already known. The scientific debate is whether sexual orientation is inborn or not, not whether homosexuality is inborn and heterosexuality is not and vice-versa. I can't personally tell you what the correct answer is, because I don't know but I am able to tell you that your logic is inconsistent. Quote So by bringing up mutation, you have actually proved my point that genetics is much more than just which genes are present. I'm not arguing that, they are much more than the genes presented but your logic is flawed in the way that you present it now. Genetic mutation backs up the fact that heterosexuality and homosexuality are either both "in the genes" as you put it or not. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 05:45:59 pm Please provide some proof that just because heterosexuality is inborn that that somehow means homosexuality is too. What makes you think it must be? I believe homosexuality is a choice. It is very different from heterosexuality which is natural to humans. There is absolutely nothing inherent in the notions of heterosexuality and homosexualiy that means they must exist together. They are mutually exclusive concepts. You continue to attack my logic, but it is your logic that is flawed. You make the assumption that heterosexuality and homosexuality must have the same source. Why? Please explain.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 05:57:33 pm If a mutation in the genes can cause heterosexuality, a mutation in the genes can cause homosexuality. If the cause of heterosexuality is in the genes, it means there has to be a gene for it or it must have been derived or mutated from another gene. This means that a gene can also mutate and cause homosexuality. Sure, some people probably choose to be kechua but a mutation is possible if the original cause of heterosexuality is actually in your genes. Heterosexuality might be the common mutation, which is why you believe it is natural.
I'm not saying heterosexuality is derived from the genes or that it is not but if heterosexuality is in fact from the genes, homosexuality has a very, very good chance of being from the genes as well. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 10, 2010, 06:09:49 pm If a mutation in the genes can cause heterosexuality, a mutation in the genes can cause homosexuality. First, I never said homosexuality is caused by a mutation. Where is that coming from? Second, your statement is logically flawed. Once again, why do you assume homosexuality and heterosexuality are the same? And are from the same source? Do you just have trouble since both have to do with sexuality? Because there is no reason that they must be the same. Quote If the cause of heterosexuality is in the genes, it means there has to be a gene for it or it must have been derived or mutated from another gene. Not true. There are genes for human sexuality, i.e. male and female, correct? Sex drive is an instinctie urge right? Yet there is no gene for sex drive, but for sex hormones. So while there is no gene for sexuality, there are many genes related to it. You are still making the error Term kept making by not understanding that there is more to genetics than simply which genes we have (and which genes mutate). Quote This means that a gene can also mutate and cause homosexuality. Again you are assuming quite a bit about sexuality. You simply cannot assume that homosexuality has the same source as heterosexuality. So why must this be true? You keep stating this as fact, and when I ask for evience to support it, you just restate it as fact again. THAT my friend is bad logic. You can't support your conclusion WITH your conclusion. Logic 101. Quote Sure, some people probably choose to be kechua but a mutation is possible if the original cause of heterosexuality is actually in your genes. Heterosexuality might be the common mutation, which is why you believe it is natural. Nice theory, too bad it is not supported by science. They have been studying homosexuality for decades and there is no evidence whatsoever that homosexuality is a mutation. You can't just make stuff up here. Quote I'm not saying heterosexuality is derived from the genes or that it is not but if heterosexuality is in fact from the genes, homosexuality has a very, very good chance of being from the genes as well. Why? Again, what makes you think so. I keep asking this and you have no answer. Just stop and think for a second. There is really no reason why one must be dependent on the other. Especially if they are unrelated, as I suggest. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 10, 2010, 06:36:58 pm Quote First, I never said homosexuality is caused by a mutation. Where is that coming from? Second, your statement is logically flawed. Once again, why do you assume homosexuality and heterosexuality are the same? And are from the same source? Do you just have trouble since both have to do with sexuality? Because there is no reason that they must be the same. I never accused you of saying homosexuality is caused by mutation but sexual orientation in general is either derived from a mutation of a gene or a gene exists itself. If a gene doesn't exist, it must be a mutation of a certain gene that gives us the desire to be interested in Men or Women. If a mutation of a gene causes heterosexuality, it means homosexuality can come from the same source as they are both sexual orientations. The problem with you is you only accept heterosexuality as sexual orientation. That's wrong. There are more than one options when sexual orientation is decided. Since there are many options, they must come from the same place. Since homosexuality and heterosexuality are both sexual orientations, they are derived from the same place, whether that is the mind, or the genes but where one comes from, the other does as well. Quote Sex drive is an instinctie urge right? Yet there is no gene for sex drive, but for sex hormones. So while there is no gene for sexuality, there are many genes related to it. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/11/021118070025.htm This article should explain that you are wrong here. Quote You simply cannot assume that homosexuality has the same source as heterosexuality. So why must this be true? You keep stating this as fact, and when I ask for evience to support it, you just restate it as fact again. THAT my friend is bad logic. You can't support your conclusion WITH your conclusion. Logic 101. Premise 1: Sexual orientation includes heterosexuality and homosexuality. Premise 2: Heterosexuality can be derived from the genes. Conclusion: Homosexuality can be derived from the genes. Quote Nice theory, too bad it is not supported by science. They have been studying homosexuality for decades and there is no evidence whatsoever that homosexuality is a mutation. You can't just make stuff up here. There is also no evidence that heterosexuality is in the genes. You believe it's nature, but we all know that what someone believes means nothing... Quote Why? Again, what makes you think so. I keep asking this and you have no answer. Just stop and think for a second. There is really no reason why one must be dependent on the other. Especially if they are unrelated, as I suggest. See above. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 10, 2010, 08:27:36 pm Okay, let me break it down for you guys. Geneticists have proven that there is in fact, NO kechua GENE. Given that fact, we can deduce that sexual orientation is NOT genetic bt is in fact influenced by societal/ environmental factors. :)
/thread/ O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 10, 2010, 08:46:34 pm Okay, let me break it down for you guys. Geneticists have proven that there is in fact, NO kechua GENE. Given that fact, we can deduce that sexual orientation is NOT genetic bt is in fact influenced by societal/ environmental factors. :) /thread/ O0 This is exactly what Ohio stated and then he went on to state that even though heterosexuality isn't genetic, it's in the genes because we naturally need a woman and man to procreate. @Ohio, I never stated that homosexuality was genetic. I never stated that heterosexuality was genetic. I haven't re-read my posts in the last hour but I don't remember making any statements about nature vs nurture. I was just asking you questions. This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic. Then you stated that heterosexuality was in the genes. Definite contradiction. You were purposely trying to lead the reader to believe that heterosexuality (even though you stated it wasn't genetic) was more genetic than homosexuality, which supports your beliefs because you don't like homosexuality. Then you tried to back it up by deducing that heterosexuality was more genetic because you need a man and woman to procreate. One has nothing to do with the other. Therefore, your deductive reasoning is flawed, which means your statement about "in the genes" can only mean that it is genetic. That's what my deductive reasoning joke was showing you. Just because you don't have a dog it doesn't mean you are kechua. So, since your logic is flawed (which I pointed out before) your contention that "in the genes" is not the same as genetic is incorrect. You have no valid logic to back up your argument. That's why the contradiction still exists. Feel free to provide valid logic and stating your beliefs is not valid either. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Ress on December 10, 2010, 09:00:47 pm After reading some of this I came to realize something very important. If Terminator and Ohio met up in real life, they would fight each other until they are both badly injured. This would probably happen in a back alley or behind a bar. After slugging each other for a few minutes, they both rest for a bit, panting and looking angrily into each other's eyes.
Then, out of nowhere, they begin to passionately make love to each other because they're both flaming homosexuals and out of no where Kreater comes in as a third man just because he can't help sticking it in the bum. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 10, 2010, 09:30:37 pm ^LOL
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 10, 2010, 10:19:52 pm I've already stuck Term in the bum.
...But then again, I thought he was she. O_o >_> Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 11, 2010, 03:00:01 am What happened to the butthurt fighting? :/
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 11, 2010, 03:08:50 pm This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic. and this is why this has lasted this long. Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic. I said there was no sexual orientation gene. Big difference. No wonder you continue to argue, becuase you completely missed what I said. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 11, 2010, 03:11:01 pm ^Correctamundo.
/thread? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 11, 2010, 04:59:09 pm This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic. and this is why this has lasted this long. Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic. I said there was no sexual orientation gene. Big difference. No wonder you continue to argue, becuase you completely missed what I said. LOL you are clueless man. I stated male and female is genetic. Do you deny that? I sure hope not, it is called an x and y chromosome. Since my argument that heterosexuality is the natural way, then there is no contradiction. You make me laugh at your inability to reason this out. I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, but that those things that show heterosexuality as natural/biological CAN be found in our genes. Then now you are all confused thinking there is a contradiction when there is not. I still contend that there is no gene for sexual orientation. I also contend that heterosexuality is natural and biological. I also contend that our makeup of male and female IS genetic. There is no contradiction there. Sorry you can't read. And then to address you point on Leviticus 20. I will give you a pass since you yourself stated you know very little about the bible. But the book of leviticus is a book of law given by God, to the nation of Israel. It is the establishment of national law. Nowhere is leviticus 20 purporting that God is to carry out those punishments. Those are laws given to the government of the nation to carry out. Much like America's death penalty. Those laws are for our system to carry out accordingly. Not any individual, and not God. God stated many times in the bible that vengeance belongs to him and that he is longsuffering with sin until the day of judgment. None of the declarations of death penalty in the hebrew law were ever to be carried out by God in this life. They were for establishing law and order within the nation of Israel. God's judgment comes later. um, right. Try again maybe.....This is just one example. Ready to agree on the contradiction yet? ^Correctamundo. /thread? And everybody already knows that you are an idiot O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 11, 2010, 08:40:50 pm Term, I find it funny that you think I'm unintelligent because--wait, what was your reason again?
You have a major respect problem, man. All I have to say is, if all you have to say to me is an insult, it'd behoove you to stay quiet. O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 12, 2010, 05:38:16 am Term, I find it funny that you think I'm unintelligent because--wait, what was your reason again? You have a major respect problem, man. All I have to say is, if all you have to say to me is an insult, it'd behoove you to stay quiet. O0 This is how you entered the discussion retard: Sorry, but again your example isn't the same thing. Compare apples to apples dummy. I don't expect a valid analogy from a moron like you. How so retard? Explain how they are different or get your ingorant self out of here. A moron like yourself simply saying there is a contradiction doesn't make it so. I have bent over backwards to show you how basic logic and reasoning along with the scientific facts support my position that there is no contradiction. Yet you are too stupid and/or hardheaded to accept it. I even have now presented you with a perfect example that saying something is genetic =/= there being a gene for it. And that very simply logical statement is PROOF positive that I didn't contradict myself. You can attempt to say it is apples and oranges, but you are dead wrong. The EXACT same principle applies to both scenarios. So now put your small brain where your mouth is and make an attempt to back it up. Explain to us all how my example of cancer and sexuality are different in concept. Go ahead and try. It is impossible. I know I am arrogant and egotistical and love to argue. Tell me something I don't know. Regardless, that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The fact that you rely upon it to attempt to make your argument proves how weak your position is. Instead of attacking me, try attacking my point. Oh wait, you can't. Nevermind. Like I said, I altready pointed out that you contradicted yourself. I don't need to go there again, feel free to re-read the posts, but I expect the same result as you seem to be getting dumber with each post. Oh hey, that reminds me of a saying. You're dumb as a post O0 You've contradicted yourself and have not proven otherwise. You still haven't shown me your genetic research. That's how stupid you are. The fact that you are arrogant, love to argue, and always think you are right has everything to do with this. See, you do suck at being a lawyer. It shows that no matter what the cirman-juicestances you will insist that you are right, so whether you have a logical argument or not, nobody will believe you because you are known to have those flaws. It's called character flaws. I would assume you know about character witnesses....being such a fantastic lawyer. You have no idea how successful I am (so you shouldn't make assumptions about my success compared to someone elses) and you called me an ass hole. I didn't even respond to your first attempt to insult me. Sorry, but like I said, your previous actions on this site clearly show that you are an idiot and an ass hole. I could quote 4391 posts to show you, but your not worth it. I don't have a respect problem at all. I know you do. I don't know how many posts you made about not respecting your parents. If you actually read this thread and could understand what was said then you would know who has the problem with respect. I'm sure Ohio is thrilled beyond belief that you have come to his rescue with such advanced vocabulary. Why don't you go back to your jail cell with your hot betch :-* Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 12, 2010, 12:24:46 pm Term, I find it funny that you think I'm unintelligent because--wait, what was your reason again? You have a major respect problem, man. All I have to say is, if all you have to say to me is an insult, it'd behoove you to stay quiet. O0 This is how you entered the discussion retard: Sorry, but again your example isn't the same thing. Compare apples to apples dummy. I don't expect a valid analogy from a moron like you. How so retard? Explain how they are different or get your ingorant self out of here. A moron like yourself simply saying there is a contradiction doesn't make it so. I have bent over backwards to show you how basic logic and reasoning along with the scientific facts support my position that there is no contradiction. Yet you are too stupid and/or hardheaded to accept it. I even have now presented you with a perfect example that saying something is genetic =/= there being a gene for it. And that very simply logical statement is PROOF positive that I didn't contradict myself. You can attempt to say it is apples and oranges, but you are dead wrong. The EXACT same principle applies to both scenarios. So now put your small brain where your mouth is and make an attempt to back it up. Explain to us all how my example of cancer and sexuality are different in concept. Go ahead and try. It is impossible. I know I am arrogant and egotistical and love to argue. Tell me something I don't know. Regardless, that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The fact that you rely upon it to attempt to make your argument proves how weak your position is. Instead of attacking me, try attacking my point. Oh wait, you can't. Nevermind. Like I said, I altready pointed out that you contradicted yourself. I don't need to go there again, feel free to re-read the posts, but I expect the same result as you seem to be getting dumber with each post. Oh hey, that reminds me of a saying. You're dumb as a post O0 You've contradicted yourself and have not proven otherwise. You still haven't shown me your genetic research. That's how stupid you are. The fact that you are arrogant, love to argue, and always think you are right has everything to do with this. See, you do suck at being a lawyer. It shows that no matter what the cirman-juicestances you will insist that you are right, so whether you have a logical argument or not, nobody will believe you because you are known to have those flaws. It's called character flaws. I would assume you know about character witnesses....being such a fantastic lawyer. You have no idea how successful I am (so you shouldn't make assumptions about my success compared to someone elses) and you called me an ass hole. I didn't even respond to your first attempt to insult me. Sorry, but like I said, your previous actions on this site clearly show that you are an idiot and an ass hole. I could quote 4391 posts to show you, but your not worth it. I don't have a respect problem at all. I know you do. I don't know how many posts you made about not respecting your parents. If you actually read this thread and could understand what was said then you would know who has the problem with respect. I'm sure Ohio is thrilled beyond belief that you have come to his rescue with such advanced vocabulary. Why don't you go back to your jail cell with your hot betch :-* First off, I didn't call you an ass hole. I simply said don't be an ass hole. Big difference. Secondly, you have no idea what my parents are putting me through and have put me through in the past, so I don't think it's a problem not to respect them. Lastly, you can't get much more successful than a lawyer( unless you're a neurologist or a big time CEO) so don't even try and represent that you are. O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 12, 2010, 12:42:08 pm Quote Lastly, you can't get much more successful than a lawyer( unless you're a neurologist or a big time CEO) so don't even try and represent that you are. I almost fell off of my chair. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 12, 2010, 12:58:19 pm ^Cmon man, it's in the top paying jobs...
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 12, 2010, 01:00:22 pm It depends what you do with it. Not all lawyers make a ton of money. Corporate law is where the real money is.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 12, 2010, 01:04:46 pm Plus, not only is it a high-paying job, but its highly difficult to get into.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 12, 2010, 01:06:11 pm Well, when I use "lawyer", I'm using it as a blanket term for all subcategories of law.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 12, 2010, 01:16:44 pm Hard to get into? It's just as hard as any other occupation. Sure there is the BAR and the LSAT's but a ton of positions require testing to get into. Using a lawyer as a blanket term is hilarious. There's quality jobs in law and there are shit ones.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 12, 2010, 03:00:37 pm This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic. and this is why this has lasted this long. Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic. I said there was no sexual orientation gene. Big difference. No wonder you continue to argue, becuase you completely missed what I said. LOL you are clueless man. I stated male and female is genetic. Do you deny that? I sure hope not, it is called an x and y chromosome. Since my argument that heterosexuality is the natural way, then there is no contradiction. You make me laugh at your inability to reason this out. I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, but that those things that show heterosexuality as natural/biological CAN be found in our genes. Then now you are all confused thinking there is a contradiction when there is not. I still contend that there is no gene for sexual orientation. I also contend that heterosexuality is natural and biological. I also contend that our makeup of male and female IS genetic. There is no contradiction there. Sorry you can't read. And then to address you point on Leviticus 20. I will give you a pass since you yourself stated you know very little about the bible. But the book of leviticus is a book of law given by God, to the nation of Israel. It is the establishment of national law. Nowhere is leviticus 20 purporting that God is to carry out those punishments. Those are laws given to the government of the nation to carry out. Much like America's death penalty. Those laws are for our system to carry out accordingly. Not any individual, and not God. God stated many times in the bible that vengeance belongs to him and that he is longsuffering with sin until the day of judgment. None of the declarations of death penalty in the hebrew law were ever to be carried out by God in this life. They were for establishing law and order within the nation of Israel. God's judgment comes later. um, right. Try again maybe.....This is just one example. Ready to agree on the contradiction yet? ^Correctamundo. /thread? And everybody already knows that you are an idiot O0 LOL, thanks for proving how dumb you are....and stubborn. You are attempting to find out where I said, and I quote, "sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality is genetic" And here is the quote you provided: Quote I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, Are you really dumb enough to say those are equal statements? If so, this discussion is beyond over. In fact, the statement you quoted to attempt to prove your point is the OPPOSITE of saying "sexual orientation is genetic". This quote says it is NOT genetic. LOL Way to go moron. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 12, 2010, 03:03:36 pm Hard to get into? It's just as hard as any other occupation. Sure there is the BAR and the LSAT's but a ton of positions require testing to get into. Using a lawyer as a blanket term is hilarious. There's quality jobs in law and there are shit ones. check your facts there bud. The law profession is definitely harder to get into than most. While most professional jobs are similar, most jobs aren't professionals. Not to mention that law school is well known as much harder than most professional schools. Read "The Paper Chase" or watch the movie. Not to mention that most jobs don't require advanced degrees as well. So saying the bar and LSAT are the only requirements is really ignorant. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 12, 2010, 03:08:06 pm To say that it is the most respected is bullshit. Accountants run the world and it's not even close.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 12, 2010, 03:17:48 pm To say that it is the most respected is bullshit. Accountants run the world and it's not even close. I would agree that it isn't the most respected. It is one of the more respected professions historically, but certainly not the most. Although I would disagree that accountants run the world, and they are also not near the top of the list of most respected professions. But regardless, I personally respect accountants. And further, I respect nearly any job. Anyone willing to work and do what they need to to provided for their families is honorable in my book. I find it pointless to argue over the respectability of our jobs. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 12, 2010, 03:22:09 pm just an interesting tidbit. US news and world report did a survey in 2007 using Harris Interactive to determine the public's view of most and least prestigious jobs (defined as basically respect). While lawyer dropped out of the top 10, accountant is the number for LEAST prestigious job.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/070802/2prestige.htm Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 12, 2010, 03:29:33 pm This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic. and this is why this has lasted this long. Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic. I said there was no sexual orientation gene. Big difference. No wonder you continue to argue, becuase you completely missed what I said. LOL you are clueless man. I stated male and female is genetic. Do you deny that? I sure hope not, it is called an x and y chromosome. Since my argument that heterosexuality is the natural way, then there is no contradiction. You make me laugh at your inability to reason this out. I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, but that those things that show heterosexuality as natural/biological CAN be found in our genes. Then now you are all confused thinking there is a contradiction when there is not. I still contend that there is no gene for sexual orientation. I also contend that heterosexuality is natural and biological. I also contend that our makeup of male and female IS genetic. There is no contradiction there. Sorry you can't read. And then to address you point on Leviticus 20. I will give you a pass since you yourself stated you know very little about the bible. But the book of leviticus is a book of law given by God, to the nation of Israel. It is the establishment of national law. Nowhere is leviticus 20 purporting that God is to carry out those punishments. Those are laws given to the government of the nation to carry out. Much like America's death penalty. Those laws are for our system to carry out accordingly. Not any individual, and not God. God stated many times in the bible that vengeance belongs to him and that he is longsuffering with sin until the day of judgment. None of the declarations of death penalty in the hebrew law were ever to be carried out by God in this life. They were for establishing law and order within the nation of Israel. God's judgment comes later. um, right. Try again maybe.....This is just one example. Ready to agree on the contradiction yet? ^Correctamundo. /thread? And everybody already knows that you are an idiot O0 LOL, thanks for proving how dumb you are....and stubborn. You are attempting to find out where I said, and I quote, "sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality is genetic" And here is the quote you provided: Quote I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, Are you really dumb enough to say those are equal statements? If so, this discussion is beyond over. In fact, the statement you quoted to attempt to prove your point is the OPPOSITE of saying "sexual orientation is genetic". This quote says it is NOT genetic. LOL Way to go moron. OMG you are stupid. Read the make sweet sensuous lovein quotes Ohio: Your last quote: "Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic." You state that YOU NEVER said that homo- and heterosexuality was NOT genetic. Right, can you understand your own statement? It's a double negative dummy. Your previous quote: "I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not," You clearly state that homosexuality is NOT genetic. Then you state that heterosexuality is NOT genetic. Are you make sweet sensuous loveing blind? I wasn't trying to show where you stated it WAS genetic because that would agree with your double negative. I showed where you stated that it WAS NOT genetic, which is the OPPOSITE of your double negative. Can you follow that yet? Do you need a lesson on double negatives in a sentence? So, clearly you contradicted your previous statement. You see, if were half the expert you contend to be on the matter you would not be contradicting yourself all over the place. Holy make sweet sensuous love, you can't read your own IRS, you can't understand a double negative, how the make sweet sensuous love are you gaining respect here when you IRS all over everyone else for their ability to understand what has been written. You are beyond make sweet sensuous loveing stupid. You have dug such a deep hole that you have no idea how to get out of it. Do you see it yet? Huh? Do you? un-make sweet sensuous loveing-believeable! Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 12, 2010, 04:19:20 pm ^Your extensive use of profanity just goes to show how small your vocabulary is. Stop acting like an angry 12 year old who's mother isn't around and learn to speak like an adult...jesus christ...your posts are such an eyesore..
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 12, 2010, 04:21:22 pm This is coming from "hot betch"? I honestly hope you're joking.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 12, 2010, 04:47:21 pm Dude, I was 13...I had/have a lot of growing to do. He's 40+ and has no excuse.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 12, 2010, 04:57:17 pm ^Your extensive use of profanity just goes to show how small your vocabulary is. Stop acting like an angry 12 year old who's mother isn't around and learn to speak like an adult...jesus christ...your posts are such an eyesore.. I'm exasperated by his stupidity and if you read the previous posts of his then you would understand. Like DDD said, your posts leave a lot to be desired. And by the way dummy, you look extremely stupid by saying the only two successful careers beyond being a lawyer are a neurologist and CEO. Are you kidding me? You do realize that all generalizations are false...I know plenty of yahoos that are lawyers. Success is not only defined by the money you make either. There are plenty of factors that define success, but I don't expect you to understand that. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 12, 2010, 04:59:30 pm Dude, I was 13...I had/have a lot of growing to do. He's 40+ and has no excuse. Not 40+ and like I said, read the thread. The person you have put on a pedestal has done nothing but insult me throughout this entire thread and has been contradicting himself. I simply showed the contradiction and he continued to insult me. It was his defense mechanism. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 12, 2010, 05:04:05 pm Dude, I was 13...I had/have a lot of growing to do. He's 40+ and has no excuse. You also need to learn a lot more before you start talking with us because you have no fucking clue what the hell you're talking about. Now go back to the MoH board. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 12, 2010, 07:42:48 pm This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic. and this is why this has lasted this long. Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic. I said there was no sexual orientation gene. Big difference. No wonder you continue to argue, becuase you completely missed what I said. LOL you are clueless man. I stated male and female is genetic. Do you deny that? I sure hope not, it is called an x and y chromosome. Since my argument that heterosexuality is the natural way, then there is no contradiction. You make me laugh at your inability to reason this out. I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, but that those things that show heterosexuality as natural/biological CAN be found in our genes. Then now you are all confused thinking there is a contradiction when there is not. I still contend that there is no gene for sexual orientation. I also contend that heterosexuality is natural and biological. I also contend that our makeup of male and female IS genetic. There is no contradiction there. Sorry you can't read. And then to address you point on Leviticus 20. I will give you a pass since you yourself stated you know very little about the bible. But the book of leviticus is a book of law given by God, to the nation of Israel. It is the establishment of national law. Nowhere is leviticus 20 purporting that God is to carry out those punishments. Those are laws given to the government of the nation to carry out. Much like America's death penalty. Those laws are for our system to carry out accordingly. Not any individual, and not God. God stated many times in the bible that vengeance belongs to him and that he is longsuffering with sin until the day of judgment. None of the declarations of death penalty in the hebrew law were ever to be carried out by God in this life. They were for establishing law and order within the nation of Israel. God's judgment comes later. um, right. Try again maybe.....This is just one example. Ready to agree on the contradiction yet? ^Correctamundo. /thread? And everybody already knows that you are an idiot O0 LOL, thanks for proving how dumb you are....and stubborn. You are attempting to find out where I said, and I quote, "sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality is genetic" And here is the quote you provided: Quote I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, Are you really dumb enough to say those are equal statements? If so, this discussion is beyond over. In fact, the statement you quoted to attempt to prove your point is the OPPOSITE of saying "sexual orientation is genetic". This quote says it is NOT genetic. LOL Way to go moron. OMG you are stupid. Read the make sweet sensuous lovein quotes Ohio: Your last quote: "Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic." You state that YOU NEVER said that homo- and heterosexuality was NOT genetic. Right, can you understand your own statement? It's a double negative dummy. Your previous quote: "I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not," You clearly state that homosexuality is NOT genetic. Then you state that heterosexuality is NOT genetic. Are you make sweet sensuous loveing blind? I wasn't trying to show where you stated it WAS genetic because that would agree with your double negative. I showed where you stated that it WAS NOT genetic, which is the OPPOSITE of your double negative. Can you follow that yet? Do you need a lesson on double negatives in a sentence? So, clearly you contradicted your previous statement. You see, if were half the expert you contend to be on the matter you would not be contradicting yourself all over the place. Holy make sweet sensuous love, you can't read your own IRS, you can't understand a double negative, how the make sweet sensuous love are you gaining respect here when you IRS all over everyone else for their ability to understand what has been written. You are beyond make sweet sensuous loveing stupid. You have dug such a deep hole that you have no idea how to get out of it. Do you see it yet? Huh? Do you? un-make sweet sensuous loveing-believeable! lol your ignorance baffles me. the quote you used, "I NEVER said sexual orientation was not genetic" was a response to you saying that I said "sexual orientation was not genetic". Go back and read the tread. As such, all I said was that I never said that quote. It is not a double negative, just a singe negative saying I didn't say what you claimed I said. Leave it to you to attempt such a lame argument to attempt to put words in my mouth. But can I expect more from someone who has yet to put a quote in its context before analyzing it? So let me start over for you briefly so your brain can catch up to the context. 1. I said there is no gene for sexual orientation. 2. This massive argument took place because you're a douche. 3. You then attempt to claim that I said "sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) is not genetic." 4. I respond by saying that I NEVER said what you claimed I said because stating "there is no gene for sexual orientation" and saying "sexual orientation is not genetic" are not the same thing. 5. Now you try to take that quote out of context and act like YOUR quote that I had to respond to, is mine. See yet that you are an idiot? The problem we have here is that you still don't understand #4 above. I am convinced you think those two quotes mean the same thing. And that is why this argument continues. If you could grasp the fact that those two quotes mean two different things, you would be able to comprehend that there was no contradiction. But I am done arguing with you about it. If you aren't bright enough to get it yet, you never will be. I have made it as simple as possible. You just can't grasp the concept. It is what it is. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on December 12, 2010, 10:03:00 pm lol, this is still happening in here?
awesome O0 O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 13, 2010, 01:01:33 am Quote just an interesting tidbit. US news and world report did a survey in 2007 using Harris Interactive to determine the public's view of most and least prestigious jobs (defined as basically respect). While lawyer dropped out of the top 10, accountant is the number for LEAST prestigious job. The fact that a teacher is near the top of the link your provided just voids it entirely. More than 50% of major companies across the world are run by CEO's with accounting or finance backgrounds. You can bet your ass that CFO's are generally people with accounting and finance backgrounds. Anyone with half a brain can tell you that accountants run the corporate world and the corporate world runs society. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 05:51:35 am OMG Ohio, you are pathetic (watch this):
Follow the previous quote trains. These are not my quotes, they are yours. Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic. You stated: "I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic. Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not," You tell me, what did you say in the first quote I listed? You NEVER said that homo- and hetero-sexuality was NOT genetic. Very clear. Right. What did you say in the second post? ...therefore, homosexuality is NOT genetic. Direct contradiction. You did say that homosexuality is NOT genetic. Very clear. So, your statement of I NEVER SAID THAT homosexuality is NOT GENETIC is false. ...Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic. I state that it is not, Direct contradiction. You did say that heterosexuality is NOT genetic. Very clear. So, your statement of I NEVER SAID THAT heteroexuality is NOT GENETIC is false. Very clear contradiction again. It's in black and white, not out of context, etc. That's exactly why you are saying the thread is over because it is extremely clear this time (we don't have to talk about how lame your deduction skills are). You are a moron, a hypocrite, and an ass hole. You are flat out wrong. If you can't see that contradiction then you are a lost cause. I have zero respect for you. I'm sure the majority of the people on this site can see that contradiction very clearly and context has nothing to do with it. Those are straight quotes from you and in those quotes you use "I" repeatedly, which means it's what you are saying, not what I am saying. Basic English. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 07:14:44 am I had to show this as well.
This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic. and this is why this has lasted this long. Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic. I said there was no sexual orientation gene. Big difference. No wonder you continue to argue, becuase you completely missed what I said. You are stating that saying there is or isn't a gene for something does not imply that it is or is not genetic. But: um, not true. they mapped the entire human gene. you might be referring to the sequencing of the gene. They completed 95% of the genetic sequence to 99.99% accuracy in 2003, but the mapping and identification of the genes was completed in 1994, early on in the project. Obviously, genetic and biological are two very different terms. There is NO gene for sexual orientation, so you can't call homosexuality genetic. The human genome project has sparked many other research projects into biological effects of the genes, but that doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is not genetic, only leaves open the door for biological factors (which no one has still yet to make any connection to homosexuality). This is way back on page 12. You state that because there is no gene for sexual orientation you can't call homosexuality genetic. You make a direct correlation between whether or not homosexuality is genetic and the sexual orientation gene. Now you are saying that there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between saying there is or isn't a gene and whether or not something is genetic. You can't make a direct correlation on one day and then on the next day state that the two aren't related. "Sexual orientation is a social construct used to describe a pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, both genders, neither gender, or another gender. ..." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation Let's be clear sexual orientation refers to homo- and hetero-sexuality. That's a fact. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 07:51:49 am I'll simply re-direct you to my last post. You didn't get it. You again tried to use a quote where I was quoting you.
And you still fail to understand my view that heterosexuality and homosexuality are fundamentally different and from different sources. And you also seem to continuously lump them both together as "sexual orientations" and assume that what I say about one therefore applies to the other. That is not the case. Even if you want to use your socially derived definition of sexual orientation, there is still nothing in that definition that necessitates both types of orientation are the exact same in origin and details. Since you do not understand this, I have nothing more to say. The debate is worthless since we are both coming from two completely different conceptual bases and therefore could never agree on contradictions since our definitions of the terms and concepts related here are so vastly different. Good day. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Cadillak on December 13, 2010, 09:07:50 am you guys are kechua
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 09:16:19 am I'll simply re-direct you to my last post. You didn't get it. You again tried to use a quote where I was quoting you. And you still fail to understand my view that heterosexuality and homosexuality are fundamentally different and from different sources. And you also seem to continuously lump them both together as "sexual orientations" and assume that what I say about one therefore applies to the other. That is not the case. Even if you want to use your socially derived definition of sexual orientation, there is still nothing in that definition that necessitates both types of orientation are the exact same in origin and details. Since you do not understand this, I have nothing more to say. The debate is worthless since we are both coming from two completely different conceptual bases and therefore could never agree on contradictions since our definitions of the terms and concepts related here are so vastly different. Good day. I did get your last post. Here's what you aren't getting: Forget about the discussion around sexual orientation, etc. and focus on the statements that you made. They are contradictory. End of story. You are not simply re-quoting me, you even stated "you ask the question...." and then you state "I state that it is not". So, don't say that you are re-quoting me. You are making those statements. You answered my question. That's not a re-quote. That's a response. I have stated that sexual orientation includes both homo and heterosexuality. If you want to refer to heterosexuality only then please do. You had never stated that sexual orientation did not include both. The thing you are missing is during this entire discussion I haven't made any assertions around genes, genetics, biology. In fact, I agreed that there was no sexual orientation gene. I agreed that it had to be based on biology. I didn't agree with your logic using procreation and I stated that. You have made a number of contradictory statements and that's all that I've focused on. That's what you are missing. I never claimed to know more about genes, genetics, biology, etc. You were the one making the assertions. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 09:20:51 am No, see that is where you missed it. In order for you to judge whether or not a statement is contradictory, you MUST evaluate it contextually. And you haven't done that. You cannot judge my statements without also weighing in on the gene issue. It is simple as that and you didn't get it. How can you say "A=B" or A=/=B" without knowing what A and B are? That is what you are trying to do with my statements. And that is poor logic on your part.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 09:37:12 am No, see that is where you missed it. In order for you to judge whether or not a statement is contradictory, you MUST evaluate it contextually. And you haven't done that. You cannot judge my statements without also weighing in on the gene issue. It is simple as that and you didn't get it. How can you say "A=B" or A=/=B" without knowing what A and B are? That is what you are trying to do with my statements. And that is poor logic on your part. You're wrong. You flat out made contradictory statements that have nothing to do with context. You said that you did not say that homosexuality and heterosexuality was not genetic. But you did make those statements as I showed you. Sure we can use context there and the statements are still contradictory. Not poor logic on my part. I can't believe that you've stooped to saying that you simply re-quoted me which is a complete and utter lie. The quotes prove it. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 09:48:49 am No, see that is where you missed it. In order for you to judge whether or not a statement is contradictory, you MUST evaluate it contextually. And you haven't done that. You cannot judge my statements without also weighing in on the gene issue. It is simple as that and you didn't get it. How can you say "A=B" or A=/=B" without knowing what A and B are? That is what you are trying to do with my statements. And that is poor logic on your part. You're wrong. You flat out made contradictory statements that have nothing to do with context. You said that you did not say that homosexuality and heterosexuality was not genetic. But you did make those statements as I showed you. Sure we can use context there and the statements are still contradictory. Not poor logic on my part. I can't believe that you've stooped to saying that you simply re-quoted me which is a complete and utter lie. The quotes prove it. Again, I did not say that I didn't say that. The quote you used to contradict that statement used the term "sexual orientation". You keep confusing the two. And THAT is why context is key. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 09:51:51 am But hey, it's cute that you are now moving beyond your original alleged contradiction (presumably because you know you were wrong) and are now attempting to trap me in a new contradiction with new quotes.
Why not show some class and either stick to your original claim based on the original quotes, or just admit you were wrong by calling me out originally. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 09:59:34 am No, see that is where you missed it. In order for you to judge whether or not a statement is contradictory, you MUST evaluate it contextually. And you haven't done that. You cannot judge my statements without also weighing in on the gene issue. It is simple as that and you didn't get it. How can you say "A=B" or A=/=B" without knowing what A and B are? That is what you are trying to do with my statements. And that is poor logic on your part. You're wrong. You flat out made contradictory statements that have nothing to do with context. You said that you did not say that homosexuality and heterosexuality was not genetic. But you did make those statements as I showed you. Sure we can use context there and the statements are still contradictory. Not poor logic on my part. I can't believe that you've stooped to saying that you simply re-quoted me which is a complete and utter lie. The quotes prove it. Again, I did not say that I didn't say that. The quote you used to contradict that statement used the term "sexual orientation". You keep confusing the two. And THAT is why context is key. Look at what is in the brackets Ohio....(homo- and hetero-sexuality). You've either just shown that you didn't read the entire sentence or you disagree with what sexual orientation means, in which case I refer you to your previous statement about there being no gene for sexual orientation and therefore homosexuality is not genetic. In that last statement you are implying that homosexuality is part of sexual orientation. You went on to refer to heterosexuality, so again, you are implying that heterosexuality is part of sexual orientation. Hopefully you can follow that linkage and logic. That defines the context and that is the key. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 10:06:48 am You are starting to catch on. I have already asserted many times my issues with the term sexual orientation and using it to describe both homo- and hetero-sexuality in the same way.
By you saying "either you didn't read the sentence or you disagree with what sexual orientation means", you are finally showing that you are getting close to understanding. I do disagree with your (and the general public's) definition of sexual orientation (as well as the whole concept itself). And THEREIN lies the gap between our arguments. If you will now make the next step and apply my own beliefs about the term sexual orientation to my statements, then you can see there is no contradiction. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 13, 2010, 10:09:58 am So you disagree with a reportive definition? That's odd logic.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 13, 2010, 10:11:47 am ERRONEOUS ON ALL ACCOUNTS!!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 10:15:37 am I don't disagree with the concept of a reportive definition, I am saying I disagree with this particular reportive definition. Reportive definitions are based on common understanding in greater society. I am certainly free to disagree with society as a whole on certain topics. I do everyday, and so do you I'm sure.
In this case, the only time I referred to "sexual orientation" the reportive definition that I disagree with, was to state there is no gene for it. In making that statement, the fact that I disagree with the reportive definition is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not there is a gene for it. It was my other statement that Term claims contradicts that statement, and in that statement, I did NOT use the term sexual orientation. Term simply attempted to apply "sexual orientation" to my statement to find a contradiction. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 10:16:14 am You are starting to catch on. I have already asserted many times my issues with the term sexual orientation and using it to describe both homo- and hetero-sexuality in the same way. By you saying "either you didn't read the sentence or you disagree with what sexual orientation means", you are finally showing that you are getting close to understanding. I do disagree with your (and the general public's) definition of sexual orientation (as well as the whole concept itself). And THEREIN lies the gap between our arguments. If you will now make the next step and apply my own beliefs about the term sexual orientation to my statements, then you can see there is no contradiction. Hold on a second. This page is the first time you've stated that you don't feel homosexuality and heterosexuality are part of sexual orientation. Go ahead and state that. I understand your beliefs and disputing your beliefs is stupid as they are your beliefs. I can try to show you holes in your beliefs but that's as far as I will go. Now, go back to the statements that you made before I even made a comment to you. Back on page 12: um, not true. they mapped the entire human gene. you might be referring to the sequencing of the gene. They completed 95% of the genetic sequence to 99.99% accuracy in 2003, but the mapping and identification of the genes was completed in 1994, early on in the project. Obviously, genetic and biological are two very different terms. There is NO gene for sexual orientation, so you can't call homosexuality genetic. The human genome project has sparked many other research projects into biological effects of the genes, but that doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is not genetic, only leaves open the door for biological factors (which no one has still yet to make any connection to homosexuality). That statement implies that homosexuality is part of sexual orientation. You can state that you don't feel it is, but that is a change in your previous stance and that is why there is a contradiction. You have never stated to the contrary until now. You have made contradictory statements (which I have shown), but never stated your definition of sexual orientation. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 10:20:29 am Not the case, Term. I can hold my own beliefs and then also utilize common understandings of words and concepts when relaying them to people who don't hold my beliefs. My stating that there is no sexual orientation gene and that homosexuality is not genetic does not have any bearing on my personal views on the subject of sexual orientation.
And also, re-read the many times I referred to heterosexuality and homosexuality as NOT part of sexual orientation but rather that heterosexuality is "sexuality" and homosexuality is a deviation from that norm. So don't try to claim this is the first time I am bringing this up. This has been my point the whole time. You are just now starting to get what my point has been. But at least now you are starting to understand that my statements are made in the context of my beliefs and therefore it is stupid of you to continue to argue them. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 13, 2010, 10:35:10 am I don't disagree with the concept of a reportive definition, I am saying I disagree with this particular reportive definition. Reportive definitions are based on common understanding in greater society. I am certainly free to disagree with society as a whole on certain topics. I do everyday, and so do you I'm sure. In this case, the only time I referred to "sexual orientation" the reportive definition that I disagree with, was to state there is no gene for it. In making that statement, the fact that I disagree with the reportive definition is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not there is a gene for it. It was my other statement that Term claims contradicts that statement, and in that statement, I did NOT use the term sexual orientation. Term simply attempted to apply "sexual orientation" to my statement to find a contradiction. Sexual orientation is something that is not up for debate. It's a scientific term defining which sex an individual is interested in. If homosexuality is not a sexual orientation, what is it? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 10:38:53 am it is not scientific at all. It is social. what makes you think it is scientific? Do you know what science is?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 10:40:18 am not to mention that I disagree with a lot of what "science" says. it is sad that you are such a blind sheep that you will consider a topic "not up for debate" simply because a scientific establishment says it is so.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 10:46:41 am Not the case, Term. I can hold my own beliefs and then also utilize common understandings of words and concepts when relaying them to people who don't hold my beliefs. My stating that there is no sexual orientation gene and that homosexuality is not genetic does not have any bearing on my personal views on the subject of sexual orientation. And also, re-read the many times I referred to heterosexuality and homosexuality as NOT part of sexual orientation but rather that heterosexuality is "sexuality" and homosexuality is a deviation from that norm. So don't try to claim this is the first time I am bringing this up. This has been my point the whole time. You are just now starting to get what my point has been. But at least now you are starting to understand that my statements are made in the context of my beliefs and therefore it is stupid of you to continue to argue them. You are wrong Ohio. You can't state that homosexuality is part of sexual orientation, which is what your statement was, and then state that you don't believe homosexuality is part of sexual orientation. That makes your statement invalid. If homosexuality is not part of sexual orientation, which is what you are stating now, then the fact that there is no sexual orientation gene has no bearing on whether or not homosexuality is genetic. That means your statement was incorrect. You can't have it every which way from Sunday Ohio. Also, this is the first time you are making the statement around sexual orientation and homo- hetero-sexuality. I figured that was where you were heading in the last couple of pages or so in order to try and elude the contradictions and that's why I listed the commonly accepted definition of sexual orientation. Just wanted to draw that out and I was successful. Like I said, that's fine, but you are now just being silly. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 13, 2010, 10:52:33 am it is not scientific at all. It is social. what makes you think it is scientific? Do you know what science is? Feel free to ask any doctor, or anyone with a biology background and they will tell you, that sexual orientation is the attraction towards a particular sex. For some reason, you feel this is not so. not to mention that I disagree with a lot of what "science" says. it is sad that you are such a blind sheep that you will consider a topic "not up for debate" simply because a scientific establishment says it is so. What is there to be debated? If you disagree with sexual orientation ,you believe it's impossible for anyone to be attracted to each other. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 10:54:49 am LOL so you just begun understanding what I was saying the last few pages (even though I've been saying it since this started) and I'm the one being silly? LOL
But no, I am not wrong. Debating a person using a reportive definition so that they understand it does not render my own beliefs invalid. Sorry, you are wrong. I can choose to debate you using terms that you will understand and still preserve the fact that I disagree with those terms. I chose to use the phrase "sexual orientation" when stating there was no gene for it, so that the reader would know what I was speaking of, rather than posting an entire treatise on why I don't believe in sexual orientation as commonly understood. Maybe when dealing with an argumentative prick like yourself who is just out to attempt to catch people in false, and perceived contradictions, rather than add anything useful to the actual topic at hand, I should resort to writing such lengthy responses rather than simplify for the reader. But then again, prior to your ignorant statements attempting to call me out, you had not interjected yourself into this discussion, so how could I have possibly predicted your response and crafted my phrasing just for you anyway? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 11:01:11 am it is not scientific at all. It is social. what makes you think it is scientific? Do you know what science is? Feel free to ask any doctor, or anyone with a biology background and they will tell you, that sexual orientation is the attraction towards a particular sex. For some reason, you feel this is not so. not to mention that I disagree with a lot of what "science" says. it is sad that you are such a blind sheep that you will consider a topic "not up for debate" simply because a scientific establishment says it is so. What is there to be debated? If you disagree with sexual orientation ,you believe it's impossible for anyone to be attracted to each other. Since when is a doctor an expert on lexicon? Further, a doctor is a human that will give their opinion on a subject if asked, that doesn't mean what they say is scientifically proven. If I were to ask a doctor what sexual orientation means, and he were to give me your definition, I can followup requesting his scientific data. At that point, no doubt, he would state that he has none. So what good would asking him be? And again, as to your second point, I thought you didn't want to debate the substance of sexuality, just logic? Because you would have to subscribe to an argument about the substance to debate this with me. As I have stated, I believe the ONLY sexual desire that is natural in mankind is heterosexuality. So therefore I can easily believe in attraction and still reject the modern concept of sexual orientation as a whole. I believe homosexual attractions are the result of sin and deviance from nature. So no, rejecting your definition of sexual orientation does not have the result you think it does, because I do not simply ignore the concept of sexuality, simply replace the common perception with what I believe is truth. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 13, 2010, 11:01:57 am Arguing what the definition of sexual orientation is like me arguing the definition of a cat. If I say a cat is actually a printer, I am wrong. It's not up for debate whether I believe it is a printer or not. Saying that sexual orientation isn't ones sexual attraction to a certain sex is ignorant and incredibly hilarious. What is sexual orientation then? You've used so many times, I figure you better tell me what your incorrect definition of the word is, just shits and giggles.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 11:14:25 am LOL so you just begun understanding what I was saying the last few pages (even though I've been saying it since this started) and I'm the one being silly? LOL But no, I am not wrong. Debating a person using a reportive definition so that they understand it does not render my own beliefs invalid. Sorry, you are wrong. I can choose to debate you using terms that you will understand and still preserve the fact that I disagree with those terms. I chose to use the phrase "sexual orientation" when stating there was no gene for it, so that the reader would know what I was speaking of, rather than posting an entire treatise on why I don't believe in sexual orientation as commonly understood. Maybe when dealing with an argumentative prick like yourself who is just out to attempt to catch people in false, and perceived contradictions, rather than add anything useful to the actual topic at hand, I should resort to writing such lengthy responses rather than simplify for the reader. But then again, prior to your ignorant statements attempting to call me out, you had not interjected yourself into this discussion, so how could I have possibly predicted your response and crafted my phrasing just for you anyway? Keep going Ohio. You see no matter which path you choose, there is a contradiction. I had been involved in this thread, but hadn't seen it again until after you made some comments. I inserted myself into the thread just like you did (actually re-inserted). And at the beginning you hadn't made a contradiction IRShead. I started discussing the previous statements with you, Kreater jumped in, and it was only after a couple of pages that you began the contradictions. Sorry, but again you fail. If it were as simple as defining sexual orientation you would have done that long ago. You only decided to go down that path because you thought it would get you out of this mess. However, you forgot that you made statements on both sides already, so no matter side you choose now there is a contradiction. Nice try, but you are still an egomaniac that will stop at nothing to avoid being exposed. Your beliefs are one thing, but the contraidctions show that you are full of IRS. Next time, make sure you are the smartest person in the room before you open your mouth O0 Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Keihan on December 13, 2010, 11:19:18 am I dunno wtf is going on in this thread. I just checked "Who's online" and saw someone posting here. I've only seen the 1st and last pages of the thread.
okay. Not sure if we're arguing whether or not people are born kechua, but here's my two cents: I think people are born kechua. I don't think we just wake up one day and go "hey I wanna be kechua" or w/e. Maybe people don't realize they are kechua 'til they're older, but that's besides the point. For a guy, you're either gonna watch straight/lesbian Adult-Oriented Material and get a boner, or think that it's gross and not get a boner. Use Adult-Oriented Material to see if you are kechua or not. okay I'm just rambling now peace eazy Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Keihan on December 13, 2010, 11:19:29 am kechua LMFAO
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 11:20:01 am it is not scientific at all. It is social. what makes you think it is scientific? Do you know what science is? Feel free to ask any doctor, or anyone with a biology background and they will tell you, that sexual orientation is the attraction towards a particular sex. For some reason, you feel this is not so. not to mention that I disagree with a lot of what "science" says. it is sad that you are such a blind sheep that you will consider a topic "not up for debate" simply because a scientific establishment says it is so. What is there to be debated? If you disagree with sexual orientation ,you believe it's impossible for anyone to be attracted to each other. Since when is a doctor an expert on lexicon? Further, a doctor is a human that will give their opinion on a subject if asked, that doesn't mean what they say is scientifically proven. If I were to ask a doctor what sexual orientation means, and he were to give me your definition, I can followup requesting his scientific data. At that point, no doubt, he would state that he has none. So what good would asking him be? And again, as to your second point, I thought you didn't want to debate the substance of sexuality, just logic? Because you would have to subscribe to an argument about the substance to debate this with me. As I have stated, I believe the ONLY sexual desire that is natural in mankind is heterosexuality. So therefore I can easily believe in attraction and still reject the modern concept of sexual orientation as a whole. I believe homosexual attractions are the result of sin and deviance from nature. So no, rejecting your definition of sexual orientation does not have the result you think it does, because I do not simply ignore the concept of sexuality, simply replace the common perception with what I believe is truth. Right, but you switch back and forth between the definitions when it suits your argument. You just stated that when you talked about sexual orientation before you were using the common definition (you didn't state at the time that it was not your definition). You continued in this manner until you thought it would bail you out of a contradiction. Now that you've been called on it, you resort to name calling again. Wow, that's surprising. I wonder what other common definitions you don't believe in. What other debates have you been involved in and used common definitions and then switched back and forth between the common one and yours to avoid being detected as a non-expert in the subject. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 13, 2010, 11:20:27 am That was about 20 pages ago, now it's about how little Ohio knows...
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 13, 2010, 11:43:14 am I dunno wtf is going on in this thread. I just checked "Who's online" and saw someone posting here. I've only seen the 1st and last pages of the thread. okay. Not sure if we're arguing whether or not people are born kechua, but here's my two cents: I think people are born kechua. I don't think we just wake up one day and go "hey I wanna be kechua" or w/e. Maybe people don't realize they are kechua 'til they're older, but that's besides the point. For a guy, you're either gonna watch straight/lesbian Adult-Oriented Material and get a boner, or think that it's gross and not get a boner. Use Adult-Oriented Material to see if you are kechua or not.okay I'm just rambling now peace eazy Well!!! /thread and all disscussion worldwide about it. Keihan solved it all! :D Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 12:17:05 pm Keep calling me names and acting like I'M the egomaniac. Seems to me like you disagree with me and continue to post here to prove some irrelevant contradiction in my phrasing. You sir are the egomaniac. I believe what I believe. I attempted to relay my beliefs to you on a message board. You didn't get it. You would rather have a pissing match over semantics and phrasing. I explained my thoughts on sexual orientation over and over. Don't accept it, I don't care. But you're not fooling anyone here that you aren't the one on an ego trip. I'm just trying to discuss the topic of the thread. You are the one with 20 pages of off-topic posts just trying to point out perceived contradictions while admittedly NOT making statements about the substance of the thread.
I call THAT a contradiction. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 13, 2010, 12:20:08 pm Apparently, you don't know the definition of contradiction either...
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 12:21:33 pm Arguing what the definition of sexual orientation is like me arguing the definition of a cat. If I say a cat is actually a printer, I am wrong. It's not up for debate whether I believe it is a printer or not. Saying that sexual orientation isn't ones sexual attraction to a certain sex is ignorant and incredibly hilarious. What is sexual orientation then? You've used so many times, I figure you better tell me what your incorrect definition of the word is, just shits and giggles. lol @ this ignorance. A cat is a tangible thing with well established scientific information delineating it from other creatures. Sexual orientation is a socially created concept devised in the last 50 years to fit into society's growing acceptance of homosexuality. There is no hard data to support any such definition, only societal norms. Comparing the two is ridiculous. LOL. A tangible animal and an abstract concept. LOL You are a smart one. Although if you understood logic at all, you would also understand that even "cat" is debateable. Say a scientist uncovers an ancient animal with certain feline characteristics (which this type of thing happens regularly). There is often a long scientific debate if this newly discovered animal is in fact a cat, and further, oftentimes such newly discovered beings help mold and modify the existing definition of the original term. Species classifications change in their detail all the time because of this. Anything can be debated and NOTHING is exempt from it. Thinking it is so just shows the limitations of your capacity to think and reason. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on December 13, 2010, 12:25:31 pm Sexual orientation is a well established scientific concept. Something can be intangible and still have a concrete definition.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 12:28:28 pm Apparently, you don't know the definition of contradiction either... hmm, saying one thing and doing another......sounds like a contradiction to me. Maybe YOU don't know what it means: Webster's dictionary: Contradiction -- a logical incongruity; a situation in which inherent factors, actions, or propositions are inconsistent or contrary to one another. Fits exactly what I said Term did by saying one thing and doing another, i.e. actions that are inconsistent to one another. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 12:31:50 pm Sexual orientation is a well established scientific concept. Something can be intangible and still have a concrete definition. Give me one single scientific study to prove so. It is most definitely NOT a well established scientific concept. Just because you say it or believe it (or because society does) doesn't make it well established. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 13, 2010, 12:35:34 pm I dunno wtf is going on in this thread. I just checked "Who's online" and saw someone posting here. I've only seen the 1st and last pages of the thread. Win.okay. Not sure if we're arguing whether or not people are born kechua, but here's my two cents: I think people are born kechua. I don't think we just wake up one day and go "hey I wanna be kechua" or w/e. Maybe people don't realize they are kechua 'til they're older, but that's besides the point. For a guy, you're either gonna watch straight/lesbian Adult-Oriented Material and get a boner, or think that it's gross and not get a boner. Use Adult-Oriented Material to see if you are kechua or not. okay I'm just rambling now peace eazy Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 12:42:40 pm Keep calling me names and acting like I'M the egomaniac. Seems to me like you disagree with me and continue to post here to prove some irrelevant contradiction in my phrasing. You sir are the egomaniac. I believe what I believe. I attempted to relay my beliefs to you on a message board. You didn't get it. You would rather have a pissing match over semantics and phrasing. I explained my thoughts on sexual orientation over and over. Don't accept it, I don't care. But you're not fooling anyone here that you aren't the one on an ego trip. I'm just trying to discuss the topic of the thread. You are the one with 20 pages of off-topic posts just trying to point out perceived contradictions while admittedly NOT making statements about the substance of the thread. I call THAT a contradiction. You sir are the ultimate hypocrite. Who had an entire argument, called people stupid, etc. over the meaning of sentences, paragraphs, context, semantics, etc.? You did. You tried to rake DDD over the coals on that very subject. You felt like you were teaching him a lesson in English. You acted like a superior being and that you were indeed the expert. I merely pointed out a contradiction and I wasn't mean about it at first, I simply asked which side of the contradiction you truly believed. Then, in your rage, you took it down this path. I have clearly shown that you are not the expert you think you are. In doing so, it brings your credibility on this subject and other subjects into question. How could I possibly agree with your facts when you have contradicted yourself on some of the fundamental concepts of this entire debate. You can't decide whether sexual orientation includes homosexuality or not. One day you state that it does and the next day you state that it doesn't. You can't do that and expect to have your opinion taken seriously. So, it wasn't to simply show your mistakes, it was to show your mistakes, which in turn weakens your arguments and ultimately strengthens the opposing position. Being a lawyer, you must understand that technique. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 12:45:27 pm Apparently, you don't know the definition of contradiction either... hmm, saying one thing and doing another......sounds like a contradiction to me. Maybe YOU don't know what it means: Webster's dictionary: Contradiction -- a logical incongruity; a situation in which inherent factors, actions, or propositions are inconsistent or contrary to one another. Fits exactly what I said Term did by saying one thing and doing another, i.e. actions that are inconsistent to one another. Actually, you used the wrong word. You meant to call me a hypocrite, but you thought it would be humorous if you somehow tied me to a contradiction. Fail again. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 13, 2010, 12:48:25 pm What's your obsession with proving contradictions?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 12:57:17 pm What's your obsession with proving contradictions? Not obsessed at all, but if I am discussing a topic with someone and they are trying to be the expert on the subject then they should not be making contradictions, so it is entirely relevant to this discussion. I don't run around the rest of the site pointing out contradictions. I would hardly say that I'm obsessed Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 01:18:37 pm You sir are the ultimate hypocrite. Who had an entire argument, called people stupid, etc. over the meaning of sentences, paragraphs, context, semantics, etc.? You did. Um, check back, that sounds a lot like what you did here as well. Pot, let me introduce you to kettle. Quote You tried to rake DDD over the coals on that very subject. You felt like you were teaching him a lesson in English. You acted like a superior being and that you were indeed the expert. Once again, sounds a lot like you trying to tell me I contradicted myself when I didn't. You tried to give me a lesson in logic and attempted to act and sound superior, even questioning my ability to do my job. Hyprocrite. Quote I merely pointed out a contradiction and I wasn't mean about it at first, I simply asked which side of the contradiction you truly believed. Then, in your rage, you took it down this path. You pointed out what you THOUGHT was a contradiction, then when I replied to explain myself, You took it down this path instead of just saying "Oh, sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying." This was your doing for attempting to push the issue that I contradicted myself when I didn't. My whole part in this is defending myself to your false claims at attacking my credibility. Quote I have clearly shown that you are not the expert you think you are. Um, no. All you have done is show an inability to read and comprehend. And a real zeal for attacking people on subjects you claim to not even want to go into. I have repeated defended my position and all you can say is "you're wrong." Nice arguing style noob. Quote In doing so, it brings your credibility on this subject and other subjects into question. How could I possibly agree with your facts when you have contradicted yourself on some of the fundamental concepts of this entire debate. Well, since I have yet to contradict myself, it is your loss. Quote You can't decide whether sexual orientation includes homosexuality or not. One day you state that it does and the next day you state that it doesn't. Once again proving you can't read. It has nothing to do with whether or not sexual orientation includes homosexuality. It is that I don't buy into what you call "sexual orientation" at all, and therefore NOTHING is a part of it. I have acquiesced that according to your definition of sexual orientation that homosexuality and heterosexuality fall under that umbrella, but I have not made claims that under my belief system, that homosexuality is a sexual orientation. Wake up man and quit continuously putting words in my mouth. Quote You can't do that and expect to have your opinion taken seriously. So, it wasn't to simply show your mistakes, it was to show your mistakes, which in turn weakens your arguments and ultimately strengthens the opposing position. Well it isn't high on my list of goals to have someone as blatantly ignorant as yourself to take my opinion seriously. You ignore all the relevant parts of the debate and repeat yourself over and over on irrelevant things. You find contradictions where they don't exist and then refuse to listen to any explanation from the one from whom you claim there to be a contradiction. That is bad form and bad logic. Quote Being a lawyer, you must understand that technique. Well since you seem to be an expert on lawyers, you tell me. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 01:20:44 pm Apparently, you don't know the definition of contradiction either... hmm, saying one thing and doing another......sounds like a contradiction to me. Maybe YOU don't know what it means: Webster's dictionary: Contradiction -- a logical incongruity; a situation in which inherent factors, actions, or propositions are inconsistent or contrary to one another. Fits exactly what I said Term did by saying one thing and doing another, i.e. actions that are inconsistent to one another. Actually, you used the wrong word. You meant to call me a hypocrite, but you thought it would be humorous if you somehow tied me to a contradiction. Fail again. lol, nice try retard but I even posted the definition from webster's dictionary. A hypocrisy is actually a form of contradiction. You really do just want to argue don't you. Even in the face of a pure, 3rd party, definition. Contradiction was the right word. Thanks for playing noob. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 01:22:33 pm What's your obsession with proving contradictions? Not obsessed at all, but if I am discussing a topic with someone and they are trying to be the expert on the subject then they should not be making contradictions, so it is entirely relevant to this discussion. I don't run around the rest of the site pointing out contradictions. I would hardly say that I'm obsessed actually you ARE obsessed. I never once held myself out to be an expert on anything in this thread. I posted my beliefs, and I also posted information directly from the human genome project website. I don't know what about that made you think I was attempting to be an expert, but it would seem from this whole thing that I am posting my opinions and you are the one attempting to be an expert and telling me I'm wrong. Hypocrite of hypocrites. that's what you are. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 01:49:29 pm Ha! I laugh at that response. You need to respond to my entire post together moron or you lose all context. Wasn't that exactly one of your arguments with DDD? I find it hilarious that you broke it apart like that. Hey DDD, did you see that?
Go ahead and quote definitions, you just told DDD that common definitions don't mean squat. You contradict yourself all over the place. I don't believe that hypocrisy is a form of contradiction (who am I?). LOL. Yes, you did claim to know plenty about those subjects. Remember all of the accreditation you have in all of those areas. You need to re-read the thread and you will see that in every case you attacked me first. I asked which side you were on when you stated a contradiction. You got offended and starting insulting me. That's how it got here. End of story. It's in black and white jerkoff O0 No, I am not obsessed. If I were, then I would have gone around the rest of the site and pointed out other contradictions of yours. I find it funny that you have a lot more of these "discussions" on this site than I do. Yours all sound very similar. You act like the expert, call others stupid, ramble on forever, contradict yourself, call people stupid, etc. Then you say I'm obsessed? I'm just making a point that you aren't willing to accept yet. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 13, 2010, 01:54:42 pm I've never seen ohio this mad! :o
Z0mg! ohio called someone a noob!! :D Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 02:01:16 pm Go ahead and quote definitions, you just told DDD that common definitions don't mean squat. ah, this is exactly why this has gone nowhere. You can't read. I never said that to DDD. I actually went on about how reportive definitions DO matter, and that I wasn't saying they didn't, just that I disagreed with one of them. I guess if you can't read then this will never end. Quote I'm just making a point that you aren't willing to accept yet. My sentiments exactly. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 02:34:03 pm Go ahead and quote definitions, you just told DDD that common definitions don't mean squat. ah, this is exactly why this has gone nowhere. You can't read. I never said that to DDD. I actually went on about how reportive definitions DO matter, and that I wasn't saying they didn't, just that I disagreed with one of them. I guess if you can't read then this will never end. Quote I'm just making a point that you aren't willing to accept yet. My sentiments exactly. Sorry, it's you that can't read, won't admit a mistake, avoids the tough questions, make it up as you go, full of IRS, acts like the expert, etc. I could go on and on and it's all true O0 Remember this dummy? I don't disagree with the concept of a reportive definition, I am saying I disagree with this particular reportive definition. Reportive definitions are based on common understanding in greater society. I am certainly free to disagree with society as a whole on certain topics. I do everyday, and so do you I'm sure. In this case, the only time I referred to "sexual orientation" the reportive definition that I disagree with, was to state there is no gene for it. In making that statement, the fact that I disagree with the reportive definition is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not there is a gene for it. It was my other statement that Term claims contradicts that statement, and in that statement, I did NOT use the term sexual orientation. Term simply attempted to apply "sexual orientation" to my statement to find a contradiction. If you are able to disagree with whatever ones you want then they essentially don't matter. You can't follow simple logic. No wonder we are at this point. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 02:37:48 pm well it would appear we have mutual opinions of one another. forgive me if my heart is not broken.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 02:39:02 pm Yes, as long as we can agree on the definition of mutual O0
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 13, 2010, 02:40:00 pm How about this:
You're both flaming homosexuals. Now stop making war, and start making love. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: OhioLawyer on December 13, 2010, 02:41:38 pm Yes, it is a professionally managed type of collective investment scheme that pools money from many investors.
Wait, what? Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 02:41:57 pm That joke has already been stated at least twice :P
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Termin8or on December 13, 2010, 02:42:32 pm Yes, it is a professionally managed type of collective investment scheme that pools money from many investors. Wait, what? That's what I thought. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 13, 2010, 02:45:41 pm That joke has already been stated at least twice :P If three people say it, it must be true :oTitle: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 13, 2010, 02:51:52 pm WONK!!1!
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 13, 2010, 02:53:27 pm ^Newb.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 13, 2010, 05:45:12 pm Lock this bìtch. b)
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Laughing Turd on December 13, 2010, 05:57:41 pm yea noshit man. you guys went through several pages just today. find a better hobby.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Keihan on December 13, 2010, 06:58:41 pm My name is Playswithsquirrels.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Laughing Turd on December 13, 2010, 07:06:48 pm You ever seen those Youtube videos of drunk squirrels?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0so5er4X3dc Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 13, 2010, 07:32:30 pm You ever seen those Youtube videos of drunk squirrels? LMAO! :Dhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0so5er4X3dc Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 13, 2010, 10:45:30 pm Lock this bìtch. b) Concured. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: jd111 on December 14, 2010, 12:12:26 pm LMAO @ the drunk squirrels. I hate squirrels- rats with bushy tails.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Turboweasle on December 19, 2010, 11:30:43 pm After finally reading this topic in its entirety, I have two things to say. The first: Holy shit, good read. The second: Peck is a complete dumbass.
kbai Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 20, 2010, 03:27:43 am L. How am I a dumbass?
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: the KR3AT3R on December 20, 2010, 06:29:05 am Lmao!!! Good gawd, turbo, good stuff. I wanna kiss you. :D
No homo...maybe. ^-^ Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Turboweasle on December 20, 2010, 10:13:35 am L. How am I a dumbass? If you have to ask... Lmao!!! Good gawd, turbo, good stuff. I wanna kiss you. :D No homo...maybe. ^-^ ^-^ Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Trent on December 20, 2010, 01:29:32 pm ^What ???
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Turboweasle on December 20, 2010, 02:20:59 pm Go be oblivious somewhere else, pl0x.
Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: guest25 on December 20, 2010, 03:16:38 pm I only read the first few pages of this topic, not to mention it's probably old...
but if religion is your only support for why you are anti-kechua ppl or whatever...then that is a FAIL. obviously if you're homophobic it's because you're just uncomfortable with kechua people. anyway..my reasons.. 1) no where in the bible does jesus actually say he is anti-homos 2) people who are atheist get married..people who sin get married...bad christians get married... the point is. religion is a stupid reason for not accepting kechua people. especially considering the bible contradicts itself. if there are some verses that say homosexuals are evil...well, it also says "love thy neighbor" it doesn't say..love thy straight neighbor, love thy white neighbor, love thy big breasted neighbor. let people do whatever they want. if christianity is the right religion and they really don't accept kechua people, then let the "big guy" deal with them. humans aren't qualified to make "god's decisions" when kechua people aren't an actual threat to any of us. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: guest25 on December 20, 2010, 03:33:16 pm ALSO, i want to point out that saying it's "immoral" or "wrong" is stupid, because your morals come from religion..
stop being ignorant, and let people do what they want if it's not hurting anyone. i hate pda in straight ppl just as much as i do with kechua people. be consistent with your beliefs and stop being hypocrites. basically, you guys saying that kechua people are wrong, is just like saying masturbating/watching **** is wrong. BECAUSE A BIG MAJORITY OF OUR MORALS ARE DERIVED FROM RELIGION. Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: MNOP on December 22, 2010, 02:51:50 pm I only read the first few pages of this topic, not to mention it's probably old... but if religion is your only support for why you are anti-kechua ppl or whatever...then that is a FAIL. obviously if you're homophobic it's because you're just uncomfortable with kechua people. anyway..my reasons.. 1) no where in the bible does jesus actually say he is anti-homos 2) people who are atheist get married..people who sin get married...bad christians get married... the point is. religion is a stupid reason for not accepting kechua people. especially considering the bible contradicts itself. if there are some verses that say homosexuals are evil...well, it also says "love thy neighbor" it doesn't say..love thy straight neighbor, love thy white neighbor, love thy big breasted neighbor. let people do whatever they want. if christianity is the right religion and they really don't accept kechua people, then let the "big guy" deal with them. humans aren't qualified to make "god's decisions" when kechua people aren't an actual threat to any of us. XD I love you dope :-* Title: Re: A Message to All the Homosexuals Post by: Scum on December 30, 2018, 01:31:44 pm im stil queer af btw man i forgot this thread existed, being talked to about the morality of a sexuality by a guy named "I 8 UR PIE HAG" good times |