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« on: October 22, 2008, 10:19:01 pm »

What are your views on morality? Do you follow Kant's 'categorical imperative' or do you align yourself more with relativism? Consequentalism or Deontology? Emotivism or Prescriptivism? There's bound to be a few closet ethical philosophers in this community, here's your chance to speak up and voice your opinions and reasoning for those opinions. *Is hoping for something deeper than 'intuition' or 'omgz tl;dr'.
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2008, 10:45:38 am »

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2008, 10:58:09 am »

Anniewhisso no underdand. D:

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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2008, 10:46:47 pm »

less big words moar pew pew

Lulz.

Morality is a direct result of one's upbringing combined with innate human desires. I'm not gonna lie, I've never heard of Kant's theory...

But I beleive that Newton's 3rd law applies directly to the human mantality and physical being. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Do I need to write moar? I have homework -_-

And also, if you would breifly explain Kant's thing, I would be happy to give my opinion on it...if you care that much lol.

Edit: I didn't see the inb4"intuiton"...sorry.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 07:25:46 pm »

Kant's categorical imperative roughly states that you should never do something you wouldn't want to become a moral law. A categorical imperative is something that one is obliged to do, unconditionally and regardless of the consequences. The insistence on performing ones duties and the underlying notion of categorical imperatives is the cornerstone of Kantian ethics and since he is widely regarded as the most influential ethical philosopher of the last 300 years, his views tend to be supported.

An easy example of a rather complicated theory:

You know that Charles wants to kill your friend Mark, who you have just left sitting at the bar. Charles comes up to you with a gun in 1 hand and a half empty bottle of liquor in the other and asks if you know where Mark is. If you tell the truth, Charles will find Mark and kill him. If you lie and tell him that you saw Mark leaving 5 minutes ago, Charles will be thrown off the scent, allowing Mark to get away. Is it ok to lie in this situation, or should you follow the commonly accepted categorical imperative that 'lying is immoral'?


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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2008, 07:41:15 pm »

Jeez, talk about late responses.

So it's similar to picking the lesser of two evils?

Like if I told my parents I was a notorious bank robber, would it be the right thing to turn me in? Or is capital punishment ok if the one being punished is a murderer?

I'm actually researching Immanuel Kant right now  Afro

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2008, 01:18:31 am »

Sorry, my comp was in repair for a few days, but yea, it's not so much lesser of 2 evils, but any amount of right prevailing over any amount of evil, as displayed and exponentially multiplied in the example I gave. Lying is wrong, and even if murder is much worse, it's not OK to lie even if your lie is preventing murder.

For your example, if your parents believed it is right to turn in bank robbers (as most of society would), they would be compelled to turn you in regardless of you being their son. As far as Kant and the categorical imperative is concerned, if murder is wrong, it is wrong to murder the murderer, for that would be a violation of the categorical imperative that murder is wrong. If it's ok for him to murder, it is ok for you to murder him. It still comes down to personal preference, but your personal preference must reign supreme for every example which it can be applied. If you feel it is ok to murder the murderer, you must also believe that the murderer was acting moral in his decision to murder.

As far as you researching Kant is concered, I give you a  Afro. I recommend 'Logic' as a good place to start as it lays the foundation for the modern understanding of the word. He is a great place to start but a horrible place to end research, as many of his theories have been extensively studied, analyzed, and refined over the last few hundred years.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2008, 11:14:59 pm »

Sorry, my comp was in repair for a few days, but yea, it's not so much lesser of 2 evils, but any amount of right prevailing over any amount of evil, as displayed and exponentially multiplied in the example I gave. Lying is wrong, and even if murder is much worse, it's not OK to lie even if your lie is preventing murder.

For your example, if your parents believed it is right to turn in bank robbers (as most of society would), they would be compelled to turn you in regardless of you being their son. As far as Kant and the categorical imperative is concerned, if murder is wrong, it is wrong to murder the murderer, for that would be a violation of the categorical imperative that murder is wrong. If it's ok for him to murder, it is ok for you to murder him. It still comes down to personal preference, but your personal preference must reign supreme for every example which it can be applied. If you feel it is ok to murder the murderer, you must also believe that the murderer was acting moral in his decision to murder.

As far as you researching Kant is concered, I give you a  Afro. I recommend 'Logic' as a good place to start as it lays the foundation for the modern understanding of the word. He is a great place to start but a horrible place to end research, as many of his theories have been extensively studied, analyzed, and refined over the last few hundred years.


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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2008, 03:51:53 pm »

*walks into thread*

*sees lots of big confusing words*

*goes to wikipedia to find out what people and words are*

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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2008, 05:22:22 pm »

*walks into thread*

*sees lots of big confusing words*

*goes to wikipedia to find out what people and words are*

*head explodes*

*sirens heard*

*body and remains of head put on stretcher*

*carried out of thread by strapping young lads with pretty muscles*

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Hmmm...seems like me 'n Auchwitz are the only people intereseted in these things? And he knows a lot more about it than I do O_o
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2008, 09:25:31 pm »

Curiosity is the first step  Afro

No one would learn **** if they weren't inquisitive Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2008, 11:21:31 am »

Curiosity is the first step  Afro

No one would learn dookie if they weren't inquisitive Smiley

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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2008, 12:23:34 pm »

Curiosity is the first step  Afro

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2008, 12:29:35 pm »


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There is a line you must draw between your dream world and reality
Do you live my life or share the breath I breathe
Lies feed your judgement of others
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Ideas that fall under shadows of theories that stand tall
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what sounds more mentally stimulating is how you make your choice
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2008, 01:20:40 pm »

real eyes realize real lies.


oh, and curiosity didn't kill the cat... a kid with a microwave oven did.
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