So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."

[CitizenSoldier3]

I need a better hobby, there is times where I lose track of time and can play 10 hrs+ straight 

[Crzy]

You guys are mixing up the game and player categorizing. IW is saying they don't feel "CoD players" meaning those guys that ONLY play CoD and nothing else, aren't ****. To them, a "hard core" gamer is someone that ventures out into ALL genres of gaming like Fighters, RTS, Racers, etc. So they know their core audience isn't the "HC" gamer, but more of the casual gamer that only sticks to their comfort zone with one game.

They're not saying players can't be "hard-core like" when playing CoD. We all know there are people out there spending 5+ hours on CoD every night for months. You see it all the time when the games barely release; someone will be at a weeks playtime within the first 24 hours. But to IW(and probably most of the gamer public), these players are still casual because they don't venture out into other genres that are apart of GAMING.

tl;dr CoD by itself is a casual game and IW feels the ones that ONLY play CoD(no matter how many hours they put into it) are still casual players of GAMING altogether.

[Termin8or]

I'm discussing the wiki definition of HC, the topic changed

[Crzy]

And if my last post is confusing, I'm basically viewing it like this: ANYTHING can have casuals and hard-core people. Let's take sport watching for example...Person A likes to watch Baseball and only Baseball. Person B likes to watch anything and everything. Person A is more of the casual sport viewer and Person B is what you would consider the hard core sport watcher.

Person A even though he's the casual viewer, he can still be a hard core BASEBALL fan by knowing every team and all the player stats by heart. However even though he knows all of this and watches everything Baseball, he's still a casual viewer in the bigger picture.

[Laughing Turd]

I was offering my own personal opinion of what casual and hardcore are. It seems like Crazy and I might agree though.

[Crzy]

Yeah PS3s view is the one that's seeing the smaller picture. Just because someone puts hours of time and knows everything about COD, they're still a casual GAMER. They're just being a hard core PLAYER. That's what IW is saying; even though they know they have hard core players, in the grand scheme of things these players are still casual gamers.

[Termin8or]

Yeah, I was interpreting the wiki definition and I find **** gamers hilarious

[Ps358]

Yeah PS3s view is the one that's seeing the smaller picture. Just because someone puts hours of time and knows everything about COD, they're still a casual GAMER. They're just being a hard core PLAYER. That's what IW is saying; even though they know they have hard core players, in the grand scheme of things these players are still casual gamers.

I can agree with that.

[The Krazy One]

We all know there are people out there spending 5+ hours on CoD every night for months. You see it all the time when the games barely release; someone will be at a weeks playtime within the first 24 hours.

That's not physically possible. No one can play a weeks time in a day. Unless you mean the average time someone plays in a day multiplied into the weeks average time for that 24 hours.

[Laughing Turd]

I think he was exaggerating to help make his point.

[Crzy]

Yeah.

But honestly, next time a CoD game releases, check the leaderboards after a week or so. Some people will have 7 days played on just the 8th day of release. As if they only slept for 3 hours a day and played CoD for the remaining 21 hours a day, for a week straight.

[Squire Grooktook]

tl;dr CoD by itself is a casual game and IW feels the ones that ONLY play CoD(no matter how many hours they put into it) are still casual players of GAMING altogether.

I'm not sure I can agree with such a generalized statement. There are guys who dedicate themselves to say, Street Fighter, pretty intensely. To the point that they get on planes and fly all over the world for foreign tournaments. Are they "casuals" because they don't have time admist their dedication to being the best at a particular game to play other games?

Admittedly, the above is an extreme example, but one that is not taken account of by such a statement. Now, you could say "but Street Fighter is a **** game, Cod isn't". Besides the fact that whether a game is casual or **** is very arguable and very subjective (more on that later), what about games like Smash Bros, which can be played both casually and ****, with dedicated scenes for both?

I'm not defending the bro gamer army cod fanbase, but I just feel that the logic used to condemn them here is a bit faulty. Yes, they should open their minds a bit and try something else besides COD, but it has nothing to do with casual vs **** debates.

Casual and **** are both utterly meaningless words, with too many possible definitions, and too many subjective aspects. One shouldn't argue about the concept of being casual or ****, because both are inherently bogus concepts with no clear definition that can mean a million things to a million people, and are in reality just marketing catch phrases.

[DoubleGunz]

But there's no room for argument now, because the developers themselves have now stated that people who solely play CoD are casuals. fact raepd


Right? 

[Autumn1194]

The developers aren't god

[DoubleGunz]

wot. Obviously not. 

However, they do declare what their product is. It is a casual gaming platform.