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« on: February 17, 2011, 06:57:06 pm »

On the morning commute I heard a new clip on the Mike & Mike show that disturbed me.  Evidently Albert Puhols reported to camp today without a contract.  He is reportedly seeking a contract valued at approx 300 million dollars.  Mike Greenberg went on to cite some statistics on how 300 million would buy most teams in the NHL, half the teams in the NBA and even exceeded the GDP of the Dominican Republic.   

In my opinion the values of team sports have been lost and I may skip my beloved Sox this year and watch the local men's leagues this summer.  Competition and love of the game are the catylst vs cash.  Thoughts?  Opinions?

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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 07:22:50 pm »

I think that there should be a salary cap. Yea money is a motivator, but seriously winning should be #1. I say they keep it up an ineresting rule would be the team that wins the world series is the only team that gets paid. Everyone else gets nothing, motivation to play. Ive noticed this was happening for awhile already though.
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 07:43:43 pm »

This is why I like college sports better than professional sports.

College kids play for the love of the game and for a future.  Professionals don't want to make that game-winning catch if it might mean a few weeks in a cast, missing most of a season.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 07:51:32 pm »

(Most) college kids play to get a 6 figure contract.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 08:00:35 pm »

Eric Dickerson took a pay cut going to the NFL back in the day,
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 08:48:24 pm »

Key word, Back in the day. That's why the dynasties were awesome; because it was about sacrificing for the team.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2011, 01:04:29 am »

(Most) college kids play to get a 6 figure contract.
This is why I like college sports better than professional sports.

College kids play for the love of the game and for a future.  Professionals don't want to make that game-winning catch if it might mean a few weeks in a cast, missing most of a season.

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2011, 01:12:50 am »

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2011, 09:26:35 am »

This pujols situation is quite different.  His contract is not up yet.  But it will be next year.  So he has been negotiating this off season with the cardinals to try to get a new contract in place to keep him from going to free agency at the end of the year.  He is a big time team player and felt that contract negotiations should not take place during the year as it would be a distraction to the team, so he put a deadline of the first day of spring training to end negotiations.  They will resume again after the season when his contract expires.  If anyone is familiar with pujols, you know this makes perfect sense.  If there ever was a machine of a man who dedicates himself wholely to the team and to his craft and works tirelessly with complete focus, it is pujols.  And he knows that in order to keep up the kind of production he has over the last ten years, he must remove all distractions.  And I agree that contract negotiation should not be involved during the season.  The two things (playing and contracts) should be kept separate.  As for the dollar figures, we could go round and round, but the fact is that the pie (total revenue) is astronomical in these sports and if the players don't get the money, the owners will, so we are simply talking about dividing up a very large pie.  So pujols seeking 30 million a year is not out of line with other players similarly situated.  He has been the best player in baseball for 10 years and is currently making half of what the top paid player is making.  He should certainly and fairly be compensated comparable to his production when compared to other players.  You can complain all you want that this makes these players not as motivated to play for the love of the game all you want, but simply being paid a lot has no bearing on whether or not a player loves to play and will play hard.  Like I said, the money has to go somewhere and it would be foolish and actually gross neglect of a fiduciary duty for an agent not to seek the biggest slice of that pie they can.  Especially when you consider that these players make BILLIONAIRES out of these owners.  Why shouldn't they be entitled to their fair share?
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2011, 09:32:37 am »

btw, I am also a major college sports fan much moreso than pros.  But it has nothing to do with money (heck, universities are already taking advantage of college athletes and making millions off them as it is).
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2011, 04:28:31 pm »

I think it's foolish that they haven't offered him 30 million. He is the best player, bar none, even in a down year. He brings people to the stadium and he brings wins to the team, ownership owes him everything.

Now for the baseball geek talk as to why he should get it...

1 WAR = 5 Million a season
Pujols averages 8 WAR a season
8 WAR x 5 Million = 40 Million a year

It's a total joke that he doesn't get this cash.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2011, 04:49:55 pm »

All I know is that without him, St. Luis is/has been nothing, so they owe it to him to re-sign. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2011, 07:45:34 am »

he'll get the money.  I think a lot of the hangup is the 10 year request.  It doesn't matter how good or how young a player is, 10 years is a major commitment when anything can happen.  He could get hurt, etc...  I think he will get 30 million, but at his age, 10 years may not happen.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2011, 08:20:42 am »

Its too long, IMO. Look at Jeter for example.  His peak has already come and gone and look at his numbers last year. Its too expensive to pay big bucks to people that put up minor league stats.  Pujols isn't Super man and I highly doubt that 6-8 years into his contract that he'll be putting up the same numbers as in years past. The only thing he'll have going for him in the later years is his history and being the face of the franchise that brings people to the stadium. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2011, 08:46:31 am »

well, that is a tough one to predict.  historically, elite HOFers who have played that long have shown that their stats usually don't really fall off until about year 19 or 20 of their career.  Look at Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron.  Both played 22-23 years and both continued to hit .320+ with 35-40 HR all the way until around year 19 when production fell off dramatically.  However, the key here is that they were mostly injury free.  Then look at someone in their class of player who battled injuries.  Mickey Mantle put up their type of numbers most of his 19 year career but battled injuries and his stats fell off much sooner than theirs. 

I guess the point is that for guys like Pujols who hit for high average along with power and good OPS, they are generally very machine-like and can often keep their numbers up to near 20 years.  And with Pujols having 10 years in, 10 more years would put him at year 20.  So I really think he can keep up his production if he is healthy (he seems to be more methodical than even those two examples in preparation, focus, and consistency).  However the key is in staying healthy, and therein lies the risk with such a long contract.  History has shown that the elite players who can stay healthy for 20+ years are few and far between.  It really is a crap shoot, but if he CAN stay healthy, I honestly think he can maintain his production.  Jeter is a very different style of player who relied heavily on defense, speed, on-base percentage and stolen bases.  His average will drop dramatically just by not being able to leg out singles he could in the past.  Pujols (like Aaron or Ruth) doesn't really rely on speed to get his production so he is far less affected by age than Jeter.
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