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« on: September 24, 2011, 02:35:43 pm »

you like those fantasy type games right?

i keep reading about 2, skyrim and dark souls. DS is supposed to be hard as hell and skyrim the one that appeals to noobs that cant think. it kind of mirrors two competing fps games ive heard about.

i like a challenging game that makes you think so im actually reading up on these two. im liking Dark Souls and might actually decide to get that.

any advice?
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 04:00:43 pm »

Oh hell yes.

Dark Souls is the sequel to Demon's Souls, a PS3 exclusive and one of my favorite games of all time.  To give you an idea of how hard Demon's Souls is, it took me over a week to beat the first level.  I was so frustrated with it that I stopped playing it for three months.  Out of boredom, I started playing it and loved it.

Why the change?  Because I stopped playing it like it was Oblivion (Elders Scrolls IV: Oblivion is the full title; Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is the next in the franchise).  In Oblivion, you can do whatever you want.  Literally.  If you want to waltz into the middle of a highly populated area and start slaying civilians and guards, you can do that.  Depending on how strong you are, you can literally be a one-man army.  And if an enemy is too strong for you, you can just run away or use the terrain to pin him somewhere while you whittle his health down.  You can be as careless as you want, because the game is designed to appeal to all kinds of gamers; in other words, those who want to impersonate Braveheart, those who want to act like a ninja, or those who just want to buy a house and become a merchant.  It's hard to get a game over, and even when you die you can normally just load an autosaved file from a minute before you died and act like it never happened.

Demon's Souls wasn't like that at all, and Dark Souls won't be like that either.  The levels are fairly linear.  The enemies are stronger and smarter.  Instead of just standing out in the open, waiting for an arrow to pierce their skulls, a good number of enemies will actually be in dark corners of a room, or in a indented part of a long hallway, or blocking a thin path that's raised hundreds of feet in the air.  The game punishes you if you try to rush through a level, because it is very realistic.  If you get hit with a claymore the size of your spine, it's going to hurt no matter what armor you're wearing.  If you fall fifty feet, you're going to die.  You don't have a huge advantage over the enemies in the game, and you have to play intelligently and patiently if you want to progress.  Oh, and what happens if you die?  You get to start the level over, no checkpoints, with all of the enemies you managed to kill respawning right where they had been.  Demon's Souls made you its bitch and made you like it, and I expect nothing less from Dark Souls.

That may sound like the makings of a terrible game, but it actually made getting through the levels all the more satisfying.  You felt like you actually deserved to win, because you played well.  Beating the game was the most fulfilling moment I've ever had in all the years I've been playing video games, and I've beaten it dozens of times since then.  You'll be a better gamer from just getting through Demon's/Dark Souls, and the lessons it teaches you will stick with you.  It forcibly beats you into being better.


That being said, I'm still a huge fan of the Elder Scrolls franchise.  Oblivion (while not as good as its predecessor, Morrowind, in many areas) was still an excellent game, especially with the expansion packs.  If I wanted to feel like I was actually in a Medieval landscape during a demon invasion, Oblivion did just that.  If I wanted to go looking for rare plants, Oblivion made it fun.  Oblivion (and all other Elder Scrolls games) are excellent for sinking hour upon hour into without it ever getting old.  While Demon's Souls made me love gaming again, Oblivion made me appreciate just how "open" free-roam RPGs can be, and I expect nothing less from Skyrim (also, f*** yeah dragons!).


I know that's a lot of information to take in, so I'll make you a list of the qualities Demon's Souls and Oblivion share (since I expect their sequels to follow the trends), and how well each one does on a scale of 1 to 10.  Keep in mind that this won't be completely accurate since the games are inherently different.

Difficulty
Demon's Souls- 9
Oblivion- 5

While Oblivion had a difficulty setting that could be moved up or down, Oblivion on the medium difficulty wasn't very impressive, whereas Demon's Souls kicked my ass from the start.

Story
Demon's Souls- 7
Oblivion- 10

Demon's Souls had a very basic story with some good background lore and history scattered throughout the game, but it took time and patience to piece together what was going on, as very little of the story is presented upfront.  Oblivion, on the other hand, had a  very rich, compelling story with tons of history and lore incorporated into it via books that could be read from Chapels to Mage Guild Halls to Fighters Guild Halls to book stores, etc.  Elder Scrolls games' stories have been put on pedestals, and rightly so.  The immersion is unrivaled.

Gameplay
Demon's Souls- 10
Oblivion- 6

The physics in Oblivion were too easily manipulated and broke the atmosphere of the game all too often, whereas Demon's Souls had excellent character movements and realistic physics.  Additionally, Demon's Souls has a mulitplayer function in it, where if you are in soul form (caused by dying while in body form), you can use a Blue Eye Stone to send a signal to body-form players which allows them to summon you to help them through the level.  Or, you can use a Black Eye Stone to invade a random, body-form person's game and f*** their s*** up if you so wish.  That's where the real replay value comes in with Demon's Souls, and Dark Souls will continue that form of multiplayer with some improvements.  Skyrim is strictly single player.

Atmosphere
Demon's Souls- 9
Oblivion- 8

Demon's Souls had levels that I was too afraid to get through if I was playing at night on my first attempt, and I'm not easily frightened.  At the same time, Oblivion made me feel like I was the one wearing the armor and casting the spells.  Still, Demon's Souls has a slight edge in this category due to the shear scale of some of the structures and bosses.  Even after I'd memorized enemy locations in a level, it would still take me fifteen minutes to get through it.  The bosses ranged from a giant, armored knight (I mean upwards of sixty feet tall) which you had to fight one-on-one in an arena to a hyperactive flame demon that would chase you down like an animal should you try to run off and heal.  Never experienced such an adrenaline rush as when I have to fight Flamelurker without Water Veil.

Graphics
Demon's Souls- 7
Oblivion- 9/10

Demon's Souls gets a solid 7, because while the levels were very nicely detailed, they weren't particularly amazing.  Oblivion, when it was released, was graphically astounding, and Skyrim's trailers look orgasmic, so it gets a 9 or 10.




Hope that helps.  Also, I've had Skyrim pre-ordered since the beginning of summer, and I'll be picking Dark Souls up on release.  :D
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 04:36:04 pm »

that actually helped a lot. i guess i was a bit harsh on skyrim.

im not really into the whole fantasy thing but ive been looking for a legitimate challenge which dark souls has. i was literally impressed when i read that it disciplines you for failing! i haven't played a game like that in a long time. i think ill get that game hopefully this winter.

as for skyrim, well, piisiin' into the wind is fun too. i like just relaxing and doing side quests sometimes and i really enjoy a good story, even if its dragons and fantasy. ill try and pick this up too.

thanks for the well written insight, as always. it managed to change my mind
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 04:57:49 pm »

Glad I was able to help.  I know you won't be disappointed with Dark Souls... as long as you're able to take the ass-kicking it'll give you when you first play it.  Cheesy

My only warning about Skyrim is that Elder Scrolls games typically have a ton of hype around them.  If you buy into it, you'll be disappointed.  If you don't, you won't.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 05:05:38 pm »

I recommend them too. Just throught I'd give my two cents. My brothers play them.. and like them. And, frankly, my brothers are some of the coolest dudes... so yeah.

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Oh, and I love the fantasy stuff. I just bought the Cleric Quintet for my Kindle. Anyone hear of it? Anyone? anyone..?  Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 05:06:11 pm »

How are they in comparison to Zelda games? I never played FF games so Zelda is the only thing I can compare.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 05:52:34 pm »

I recommend them too. Just throught I'd give my two cents. My brothers play them.. and like them. And, frankly, my brothers are some of the coolest dudes... so yeah.

Wait, seriously?

If your brothers get it on PS3, give them my PSN handle.  I need more people to play Dark Souls with.



How are they in comparison to Zelda games? I never played FF games so Zelda is the only thing I can compare.

Zelda's probably closer to Oblivion/Skyrim than it is to Demon's Souls/Dark Souls, but it's really not like either of them.  There's no recurring hero/bad guy, there's no princess to save, etc.  They're also much more mature, and they don't have the dungeon/overworld theme in them.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2011, 07:33:31 pm »

I recommend them too. Just throught I'd give my two cents. My brothers play them.. and like them. And, frankly, my brothers are some of the coolest dudes... so yeah.
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If your brothers get it on PS3, give them my PSN handle.  I need more people to play Dark Souls with.

My brothers don't believe in PS3. Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 11:19:03 am »

June, I try not to read books by auhors like Salvatore who pump out more than one book a year. For one, I don't want to 'buy into' a world that I'll have to shell out so much money to finish. And I just don't see how those books could be any good, considering how many they've published in one lifetime.  Undecided


Welp hanks to you, Turbo, I'm buying Oblivion soon as I confirm I have a good amoun in my account.   Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 11:54:13 am »

June, I try not to read books by auhors like Salvatore who pump out more than one book a year. For one, I don't want to 'buy into' a world that I'll have to shell out so much money to finish. And I just don't see how those books could be any good, considering how many they've published in one lifetime.  Undecided

Sorry, but I found this whole thing ^ to be a bit ridiculous. First of all, the Cleric Quintet is a mini-series that I particularly liked. Sure there are books both before and after it that fit into a larger series, but they are not required.

Also, the idea of not wanting to buy into anything to get its completion? Really? That's our entire culture. Think about that the next time you are buying a map pack or expansion. Think of it the next time you pay your cable bill to watch the next season or buy a ticket to an HP movie (or another movie that follows a series).

Lastly, the idea of not buying something because of the sheer number of items an artist produces is kind of foreign to me. I mean, sure, as a culture we like things that are rare... but c'mon... and artist, if he/she has the ability, CAN produce works of decent or extraordinary value on a large scale. In the case of these books, new characters didn't have to be invented nor new places. Bob Ross created a new friggen painting in each EPISODE... are you saying he doesn't have the ability to produce quality products because he did it in a short time?

I will agree that authors like Salvatore do get repetitive... but I was only saying that I liked this mini-series. Don't discount books just because of their author's production rate. There can be a diamond in the rough. Oh, and the Cleric Quintet was published from 1991-1994... and I bet he was working on them before that.  Afro There's always a diamond in the rough.... don't disregard a book if you've not tried them. The way I look at it is they still are producing books better than I could have and are allowing me to imagine things I cannot think of on my own.

Oh, the books cost me $6 a piece. I can forgo one fast food meal for a decent book.  Wink

Do you have any recommendations?
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 12:55:37 pm »

Welp hanks to you, Turbo, I'm buying Oblivion soon as I confirm I have a good amoun in my account.   Cheesy

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Keep in mind that the game's aged a little.  You may not be as blown away with it as I was back at release.

Also, if you have a computer that can run it, I highly suggest you get it on the PC so you can download all the user-developed extensions and stuff.  Also, get the GOTY edition so you won't have to buy Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles expansion packs separately.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2011, 01:09:01 pm »

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2011, 01:43:11 pm »

Yeah, I wasn't trying to dissuade you or anything, I just know how it is asking if anyone else has heard of a series and nobody replies.. Depressing.   Embarrassed    My book store is arranged horribly, and I can't tell which books of a series are first (as they're rarely numbered), or which books belong to which miniseries. So back when I was looking for new titles I actually did look at the big authors, but I had no idea where to start. Yeah, I guess you're right about the quantity not being relative, but I'm just skeptic. Maybe I'll look into this miniseries next time I'm looking for a new book. Nice example with Bob Ross.   Afro

Umm, well I would say the Inheritance series, but probably either you've read it or think they're poorly written (which I can't really argue, though I love the story). I've just now begun reading The Hobbit, but I suggest the following:

The Night Angel Trilogy
http://www.amazon.com/Night-Angel-Trilogy-Brent-Weeks/dp/0316085146
You've probably seen these, and if you haven't read them I promise they're not an Assassin's Creed ripoff. It's a fantasy series but the 'magic' is referred to as 'talent', and is more of an inate prowess than fireball-throwing, teleporting abilities. I love the author, Brent Weeks, because he's not afraid to kill off a character after he makes you fall in love with them (or make you hate them after they betray the world).

The Black Prism (Lightbringer Trilogy)
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Prism-Lightbringer-Brent-Weeks/dp/0316068136/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316975986&sr=1-1
Also by Weeks. This one is a little more magicky, but it's more technical and has some strong limits to its use.

House of Leaves is also supposed to be amazing. I love the concept, but it's a bit dry for me to read in liesure. My friend who referred it to me holds in in very high regard.

That's it for right now. I'm not really in the lengthy description mood.   Undecided



Dammit Turbo, I just bought it for PS3.   Angry  But oh well, I got GotY.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2011, 02:12:56 pm »

Dammit Turbo, I just bought it for PS3.   Angry  But oh well, I got GotY.

Well, you'll still enjoy it.  Afro

And Skyrim is only a month and a half away, so if you love Oblivion you won't have to wait that long for Skyrim's release.
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