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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2012, 10:52:44 pm »

Dude, you mean that my extremely complex brain wasn't derived from an ape? ZOMG! Shocked

Oh look, another misinformed simpleton who thinks evolution claims humans came from apes.

Oh look, Treebo got his thong in a bunch because someone made a blatantly obvious sarcastic post. What's new?

I guess your brand of sarcasm is so similar to stupidity that I couldn't tell the difference.  My apologies.

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« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2012, 08:08:19 am »

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What is listed in science as a "theory" because it hasn't been proven through the scientific method and that scientists aren't even willing to attest to as "fact", he has put forth as though it were fact and that no one else should disagree.  And such a position is the exact opposite of science and the scientific method and purpose the he so loudly claims to adhere to.

Wow.  You know, I expected some other people to be ignorant of what the definition of a scientific theory is, but not you, Lawyer.  Oh well.  I'll educate you.

"A scientific theory is a set of principles that explain and predict phenomena. Scientists create scientific theories with the scientific method, when they are originally proposed as hypotheses and tested for accuracy through observations and experiments. Once a hypothesis is verified, it becomes a theory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

So there you go.  Kinda makes your whole "What is listed in science as a 'theory' because it hasn't been proven through the scientific method" thing look pretty uninformed.  I'd even go so far as to say it makes you look rather stupid.

Ah so after posting a ridiculously long post and missing the point in it, you are at least starting to get it.  I am not debating the merits of evolution here.  That would be a colossal waste of our time.  You have your opinion and I have mine and neither will change.  This quote above at least shows you are starting to get my actual point, and that is that you presented evolution as a "fact" and that any politician who disbelieves it is therefore not worthy of a vote.  I merely was putting it where it belongs, as a "theory".  Now you gave the definition of theory, but neglected to give the definition of "law" which is the way you are presenting the theory of evolution.  Further, I gave those quotations (and you can use the quotes you gave to also prove my point) merely to show how that the proper scientific method hasn't actually provided the conclusion you claim.  Truly evolution is in the hypothesis stage because none of the "evidence" in the fossil record actually "verifies" the existence of inter-species evolution as required to make something a verified theory.  What you listed: the fossil record, genetic variation, DNA sequencing, natural selection and artificial selection, aren't proof of inter-species evolution, but rather proof of genetic mutations and intra-species natural selection.  In order to use them to support inter-species evolution you must make dramatic leaps of inference that are not true science. 

So again, my point is your flawed logic in calling evolution "fact" when science doesn't even do so.

And I LOLOLOL @ your 4 years of studying evolution and you claim to be an expert.  LOLOLOLOLOL.  College kids are so cute when they think a few classes at Mississippi College (nice accreditation there) make them know it all.
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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2012, 09:33:45 am »



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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2012, 10:20:29 am »

Ah so after posting a ridiculously long post and missing the point in it, you are at least starting to get it.

You say this in every single debate you've ever taken part in on this site.  It means next to nothing.

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I am not debating the merits of evolution here.

Oh really?  Then I find it incredibly odd of you to go on an uninformed rant over how evolution is just a theory and isn't supported by any evidence whatsoever, and then go on to misquote evolutionists in an attempt to discredit evolution.

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That would be a colossal waste of our time.

It would be a colossal waste of your time.  I'm already informed on the matter.

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You have your opinion and I have mine and neither will change.

Except it isn't my opinion that evolution is right.  It is, independent of what I think and of what you think.  That's how facts work.

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This quote above at least shows you are starting to get my actual point, and that is that you presented evolution as a "fact" and that any politician who disbelieves it is therefore not worthy of a vote.

OH LOOK GUYS HERE'S WHAT I MEANT I WASN'T TRYING TO DISCREDIT EVOLUTION BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SILLY LOL

Yeah, sure.  I believe you.  Roll Eyes

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I merely was putting it where it belongs, as a "theory".

And again, you seem to not understand what a scientific theory is.

I'll make it easy for you: In layman's terms, a scientific theory is a fact.  Saying "evolution's just a theory" is about as intelligent as saying "gravity's just a theory", as if by nature of them being called scientific theories they are somehow untrue or relatively unsupported.

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Now you gave the definition of theory, but neglected to give the definition of "law" which is the way you are presenting the theory of evolution.

Ugh.

"Some scientists will tell you that the difference between them is that a law describes what nature does under certain conditions, and will predict what will happen as long as those conditions are met. A theory explains how nature works."

"Looking at things this was helps to explain, in part, why physics and chemistry have lots of "laws" whereas biology has few laws (and more theories). In biology, it is very difficult to describe all the complexities of life with "simple" (relatively speaking!) mathematical terms."

"Regardless of which definitions one uses to distinguish between a law and a theory, scientists would agree that a theory is NOT a "transitory law, a law in waiting". There is NO hierarchy being implied by scientists who use these words. That is, a law is neither "better than" nor "above" a theory. From this view, laws and theories "do" different things and have different roles to play in science. Furthermore, notice that with any of the above definitions of law, neither scientists nor nature "conform" to the law. In science, a law is not something that is dictated to scientists or nature; it is not something that a scientist or nature has to do under threat of some penalty if they don't conform."

http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html

You are terribly scientifically illiterate.  Guess I shouldn't be surprised since the only science you've probably taken is political "science."  Roll Eyes

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Further, I gave those quotations (and you can use the quotes you gave to also prove my point) merely to show how that the proper scientific method hasn't actually provided the conclusion you claim.

Except it has.

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Truly evolution is in the hypothesis stage because none of the "evidence" in the fossil record actually "verifies" the existence of inter-species evolution as required to make something a verified theory.

Inter-species evolution is very rare (and some debate it isn't possible at all), considering a species is defined as a group of organisms that can mate and produce offspring.  Naturally, things outside a certain species can't mate with things in a different species, save for instances of nearly identical genes like horses and donkeys making mules.  Even that is sometimes dismissed, as mules are sterile and a species has to be able to produce fertile offspring.

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What you listed: the fossil record, genetic variation, DNA sequencing, natural selection and artificial selection, aren't proof of inter-species evolution, but rather proof of genetic mutations and intra-species natural selection.  In order to use them to support inter-species evolution you must make dramatic leaps of inference that are not true science.

I really don't think you know what you're talking about.

You're using inter-species evolution like it were speciation, but those two are different.  I'll just assume you're speaking of speciation, considering you're not even sure yourself.

It's clear you don't know what speciation is, so I'll explain it: Speciation occurs when, over a long period of time, small genetic changes in a group of organisms accumulate to such a degree that these organisms can no longer mate with organisms still holding their species' original form.  Thus, a new species arises.  We have clear evidence of that.

Also, I'm interested in what these "dramatic leaps of inferences" are that you seem to think are real.  See, you haven't actually backed up anything you're saying, instead opting for making wild accusations with no basis.  That should be below you, really.

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So again, my point is your flawed logic in calling evolution "fact" when science doesn't even do so.

Except it does.  Evolution is known both as "the Theory of Evolution" and "Evolutionary Law", depending on which scientist you ask.  Now, as I've explained earlier, the difference is negligible, but since you seem fixated upon Evolution not being a fact or law, I figured I'd go ahead and tell you it was.

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And I LOLOLOL @ your 4 years of studying evolution and you claim to be an expert.

Where did I claim to be an expert?  All I said was that I felt like I understood enough of it to handle this conversation.  And clearly I haven't been wrong.

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LOLOLOLOLOL.  College kids are so cute when they think a few classes at Mississippi College (nice accreditation there) make them know it all.

Oh look, ad hominem.  Classy.

But, hey, if you want to start bringing personal information into this, I can play that game.  How's working in Fulton County going for you?

You've got a nice house, by the way.  Smaller than I was expecting, but hey, I guess the economy is tough on lawyers, too.
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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2012, 10:21:16 am »

Dude, you mean that my extremely complex brain wasn't derived from an ape? ZOMG! Shocked

Oh look, another misinformed simpleton who thinks evolution claims humans came from apes.

Oh look, Treebo got his thong in a bunch because someone made a blatantly obvious sarcastic post. What's new?

I guess your brand of sarcasm is so similar to stupidity that I couldn't tell the difference.  My apologies.

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I bet every other reader understood the sarcasm.  Roll Eyes

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"People who deny a presidential vote to someone who denies an evolutionary theory is a petty individual indeed." - People who have more important things on a voting agenda than minute subjects like evolution
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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2012, 10:30:45 am »

Dude, you mean that my extremely complex brain wasn't derived from an ape? ZOMG! Shocked

Oh look, another misinformed simpleton who thinks evolution claims humans came from apes.

Oh look, Treebo got his thong in a bunch because someone made a blatantly obvious sarcastic post. What's new?

I guess your brand of sarcasm is so similar to stupidity that I couldn't tell the difference.  My apologies.

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I bet every other reader understood the sarcasm.  Roll Eyes

I bet every other reader realized you weren't being sarcastic and just backpeddled once you were called out on it.

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"People who deny a presidential vote to someone who denies an evolutionary theory is a petty individual indeed." - People who have more important things on a voting agenda than minute subjects like evolution

Cute that you think you speak for everyone.  Lol.

And I'm terribly sorry I want a scientifically literate president.  I guess issues like stem cell research, cancer treatment, and the like wouldn't be effected by a strong understanding of the unifying scientific theory of biology.  Silly me.
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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2012, 10:44:04 am »


He's mocking you, lmfao.  Try reading it again.
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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2012, 10:51:42 am »

I love how scientifically literate translates to "someone who agrees with me". 

I also love how you simply claim "we have clear evidence of speciation" but don't proffer any.  Our disagreement is that your so called "evidence" is wrong, and because of that, your "theory" which you claim as fact, is not "verified" as required by the definition of theory.

Please oh please show the "verification" of this theory.  And do it without citing to evidence that requires assumptions.  ALL of the evidence cited by evolutionists requires assumptions to be made.  And that is NEVER solid evidence.

Good thing you aren't running for president.  I would want my president to understand what constitutes proof so that he isn't so easily persuaded, like yourself.
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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2012, 10:53:06 am »


Boy you ARE a retard.  Maybe quote the rest of it to show I clearly knew he was mocking me but turned it around because it was a failure.

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« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2012, 10:54:27 am »

or maybe you just are too illiterate to know what "antagonize" means.

wouldn't surprise me after reading your responses here.
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« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2012, 10:57:51 am »

Dude, you mean that my extremely complex brain wasn't derived from an ape? ZOMG! Shocked

Oh look, another misinformed simpleton who thinks evolution claims humans came from apes.

Oh look, Treebo got his thong in a bunch because someone made a blatantly obvious sarcastic post. What's new?

I guess your brand of sarcasm is so similar to stupidity that I couldn't tell the difference.  My apologies.

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I bet every other reader understood the sarcasm.  Roll Eyes

I bet every other reader realized you weren't being sarcastic and just backpeddled once you were called out on it.
O' golly, not another "you can't tell what I was really trying to say, because this is the interwebz" argument.  Roll Eyes

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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows that 80% regard economic issues as Very Important in terms of how they will vote in the next congressional election.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that our economy > evolution when it comes to issues that concern our next president.

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And I'm terribly sorry I want a scientifically literate president.  I guess issues like stem cell research, cancer treatment, and the like wouldn't be effected by a strong understanding of the unifying scientific theory of biology.  Silly me.

Hey, if those topics are more important to you than 8.5% unemployment rate then it's your prerogative, I can't knock you for that.  
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« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2012, 11:00:41 am »

And I'm terribly sorry I want a scientifically literate president.  I guess issues like stem cell research, cancer treatment, and the like wouldn't be effected by a strong understanding of the unifying scientific theory of biology.  Silly me.

Yes, because none of these things could possibly be accomplished by someone who disagrees with the theory of evolution. LOL

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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2012, 01:03:32 pm »

 Shocked i'll read this later but being a turbo vs ohio fight i already have a good idea of how this argument will break down
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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2012, 01:42:02 pm »

I love how scientifically literate translates to "someone who agrees with me".

It doesn't, nor did I ever claim it did.  You don't understand the difference between a scientific theory and the layman's idea of a theory, which makes you scientifically illiterate.

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I also love how you simply claim "we have clear evidence of speciation" but don't proffer any.

Wolves were domesticated and bred through artificial selection to create dogs.  Speciation.

Horses and donkeys were bred to make mules.  Speciation.

The list can go on.

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Our disagreement is that your so called "evidence" is wrong

And yet, you haven't been able to assert one instance in which the evidence is wrong.  You just keep saying it is.

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and because of that, your "theory" which you claim as fact, is not "verified" as required by the definition of theory.

First of all, it isn't my theory.  It is verified by the definition of a scientific theory.  Your ignorance of the evidence for evolution in no way makes it my responsibility to educate you, though I have done so in certain cases.  You have yet to make an actual claim against a set of evidence, instead insisting over and over again that it's "just a theory" or inserting quote-mined garbage.

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Please oh please show the "verification" of this theory.  And do it without citing to evidence that requires assumptions.  ALL of the evidence cited by evolutionists requires assumptions to be made.  And that is NEVER solid evidence.

Name the fucking assumptions that are being made.  Name them.  For fuck's sake, you are painfully stupid.

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Good thing you aren't running for president.  I would want my president to understand what constitutes proof so that he isn't so easily persuaded, like yourself.

Well isn't that just the most clever goddamn thing in existence.  It's a shame you wouldn't know what qualifies as evidence if it was fingering your mother, but hey, again, you're religious.  I can't expect much out of someone who believes in magic without evidence.




Boy you ARE a retard.  Maybe quote the rest of it to show I clearly knew he was mocking me but turned it around because it was a failure.

QFT means "quoted for truth".  It's not a sarcastic response.  Even with "oh btw u sucks at antagonizing lolol" tacked on, it didn't sound sarcastic at all.  And considering you clearly have reading comprehension issues on par with Helen Keller's, it wouldn't be hard to imagine that you just didn't get what Jabba was saying.

or maybe you just are too illiterate to know what "antagonize" means.

Yeah, clearly I don't know what "antagonize" means.  Good call.

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wouldn't surprise me after reading your responses here.

Oh look, you didn't capitalize the first word of your sentence.  Naturally, the only reasonable assumption I can make is that you're the product of centuries of inbreeding and only have stubs where your hands should be, leading to your inability to hold down the right keys on your keyboard.  That definitely explains why you didn't capitalize properly.






O' golly, not another "you can't tell what I was really trying to say, because this is the interwebz" argument.  Roll Eyes

That would be the argument you would try to make, considering you're the dumbass who made the claim that evolution said we came from apes.  God you're bad at this.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that our economy > evolution when it comes to issues that concern our next president.

Oh, so now you've informed me that you don't understand polls.  Cool.

Yes, economic issues are very important to people.  That doesn't mean that is their only concern.  It just means it's a big concern to 80% of the population, as it should be.  The same 80% could also say evolution is very important in terms of how they will vote.  The opinions aren't mutually exclusive.  Aren't you a bright one?

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And I'm terribly sorry I want a scientifically literate president.  I guess issues like stem cell research, cancer treatment, and the like wouldn't be effected by a strong understanding of the unifying scientific theory of biology.  Silly me.

Hey, if those topics are more important to you than 8.5% unemployment rate then it's your prerogative, I can't knock you for that.  

When did I ever say this?  When did I ever imply it?  In fact, you're the one who assumed that I would not vote for Ron Paul because of the evolution issue, which is something I never said.  I merely commented that it made me uneasy about voting for him.

Stop putting words in my mouth.  Your ignorance has no place in my mind, thank you.





And I'm terribly sorry I want a scientifically literate president.  I guess issues like stem cell research, cancer treatment, and the like wouldn't be effected by a strong understanding of the unifying scientific theory of biology.  Silly me.

Yes, because none of these things could possibly be accomplished by someone who disagrees with the theory of evolution. LOL

Could they?  Sure.  Would they be more likely to understand it entirely if they had a strong grasp of evolution, and didn't dismiss it on religious grounds?  Yes.  Infinitely so.  That's important to me.  How you can not see that is baffling.

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your ignorance amazes me

You know what?  I'm glad it does.  I really am.  If I can amaze you with what you claim is ignorance, then you must cream your shit-stained pants when I verbally trash every pitiful argument you put up.  I must rock your fucking world, and that just tickles me to no end.
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