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« Reply #405 on: July 15, 2012, 03:57:34 am »

religion is overrated/
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« Reply #406 on: July 15, 2012, 09:11:40 am »

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between the 3 of them or how ever many where there one of them could of got the gun and pointed it at him and told him to gtfo. Its that simple he would of left no one raped murdered lives saved so on and so forth daugher be eating her captain crunch the next morning
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« Reply #407 on: July 15, 2012, 10:24:18 am »

Look I'm not saying that I'm going out just trying to sin left and right. I'm just saying that I don't have to worry about my sin according to the Bible since I am saved.


Is it enough to just simply believe?  No. I would go as far as to say that everyone on at least this forum "believes" in Jesus Christ's existence, simply because they've heard of him and know that over 2,000 years ago he walked the Earth.  That doesn't mean the believe in him.  There's a difference.
That's not what I said at all dude, what the hell? This was my definition of believe.
You believe that he was the son of God. You believe that he died on the cross for your sins (which is why you don't have to constantly be repenting for your sins). You believe he rose on the third day.........
That can be confirmed by the Bible and a non-Christian would not believe that. This is literally all you have to do to be saved, see: John 3:16.

James 2:19 - Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. (remember that believing in God also means that you believe in His Son)
This verse is saying that you should strive to do well/be more like Jesus. It's not saying that you're going to Hell if you don't. Irrelevant

John 3:21 - "But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God."
This is saying that those who do the works of God will be seen. It's actually pretty irrelevant to my point.


About repentance:

Born again - Birth is the beginning of life; to be born again, is to begin to live anew, as those who have lived much amiss, or to little purpose. We must have a new nature, new principles, new affections, new aims. By our first birth we were corrupt, shapen in sin; therefore we must be made new creatures.

Greek translations from reference: http://www.completeinchrist.net/RepentancevsPenance1.html:
   - “metanoew.”  Means, “to change one’s mind.”
   - “metanoia.”  This is the noun form of the word mentioned above.  It refers to an “after-thought, change of mind, repentance.”  Both of these words are most often used in reference to repentance from sin.
   - “Metamelomai”  is the third word used for repentance.  It means, “change one’s mind, regret, repent.”

Exactly, and I did change my mind. I changed my mind to believe that Jesus was the son of God, died for everyone's sins on the cross, and rose from the dead.

So, are you trying to tell me, (and everyone else) that you can repent one time, and that's it, you're saved? If I were to hit you with a bat and say sorry, only to hit you again multiple times, do you think I'm justtified in only saying sorry once? If the act was out of desire and I got pleasure from it at first (as most sin comes from desire and lust of something), the apology may bot have been sincere.  But if I humbled myselfand put myself in your position to understand why it was wrong then I would start to forsake the act. If I forsake the act then repentance becomes more sincere and it becomes easier to resist the temptation and eventually should go away.  That is why continual repentance is necessary.; we will always be sinners, but God knows our hearts and thoughts.  If he sees our efforts we will be dealt with justly.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying and have been saying the whole time. Some verses  that dopehead actually tried to counter me on this point proved this and I'll find it later. If you have to constantly repent after every one of your sins then what did Jesus die for? Is essentially the moral of the verses. And lol at you thinking that there will be a point where you will never sin. Every human will sin for the rest of their lives. That's why we need Jesus.

   - (From same reference) The intellectual element is the change in understanding of a man’s actions or thoughts.  It is a change of view.  Scriptures call this the knowledge of sin (Romans 3.20).[10]  The person, after committing thought or action, gains a new understanding that he is guilty, that the thing committed is sin, and that the sin has affected his relationship with God.
Oooookkayyy..This is just saying that you know that you're doing wrong by being in sin once you're saved. Where's the part that says I'm going to Hell again?
 

The emotional element refers to the sorrow that a person feels about the thing that he has done.  It is also a change, or a new feeling.  Since the act was committed, the person has a change in feeling, or a new feeling.  This is indeed sorrow over the thing that he has done.  Some Christian writers in their definition of repentance ignore this element.  This is most likely a reaction to the wrong notion that repentance is only a change of feeling.  The word, metamelomai, is often used to convey this element of repentance.[11]  King David in Psalm 51: 2,10, and 14 expresses his emotion in response to his sin.  He is sorrowful because he had sinned against God.  The emotional element of repentance is always in reference to sinning against God.  Some people feel sorrow for their sin because they do not want to experience the consequences of their sin or because they do not like the “ugly insides” that are be evidenced.  Judas is an appropriate example of a man who experienced regret, or a change of emotion without it being in reference to God.  It was not the authentic element of repentance.
 
You're talking about someone who didn't actually believe: ex Judas. Irrelevant. I'm talking about someone who truly believes, still sins, doesn't have to constantly repent, and will still go to Heaven.

The other two post are irrelevant. You're just asking me if I really believe........and if I really believed I would do such and such. But should/=/will

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If you're honestly trying to say that the Bible doesn't say that if you don't believe in God and Jesus Christ then you're going to Hell, you're on something. I can pretty much shut you down with one Bible verse. Explain why I'm wrong.
Are you refering to Mark 16:16?
 
to believe of somethings existence =/= believeing IN something.
You must not have read my definition of believe which is confirmed by the Bible. -__-

Regarding hell:

People don't go to hell because they haven't heard of Jesus. Hell is a place of punishment and people are punished because they've done wrong without repentance. 
Repentance = getting saved.  That's all repentance is. You can't lose salvation hahaha. You think God is just going to let sinful people into Heaven just because they're ignorant? That's what all the fuss is about.

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Another reference: http://topicalbible.org/h/hell.htm
These are the verses that mention Hell.  Notice that they refer to those of rebellious nature, law breakers, and those who do not repent.
I get it now. You have the wrong definition of repent. Repentance is becoming saved. You're saying that you can lose salvation. That's pretty ridiculous.

This whole time you haven't really proved that a person will go to Hell for sinning after your saved  and not crying for repentance again or that you can lose salvation. You're just telling me I'm a bad Christian on my way to Heaven. ROFL.
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« Reply #408 on: July 15, 2012, 11:05:51 am »

You use Christianity and select verses as a cop out to continue in selfish ways.  You believe that all you have to do is regognize that Jesus Atoned for your sin, but yet don't want to emulate him as best as possible.  I know we will sin until our last breath, but repentance should come after every sin. You shouldn't delay asking for forgiveness after offending God and his commandments (including those commandments of Jesus). You're a fool if you think you can't lose salvation.  I feel for you, and am done addressing you.  Eventually, we'll see.
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« Reply #409 on: July 15, 2012, 11:10:24 am »

You're a fool

This made me laugh.
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« Reply #410 on: July 15, 2012, 11:59:08 am »

Baw isn't the fool here.
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between the 3 of them or how ever many where there one of them could of got the gun and pointed it at him and told him to gtfo. Its that simple he would of left no one raped murdered lives saved so on and so forth daugher be eating her captain crunch the next morning
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« Reply #411 on: July 15, 2012, 12:15:15 pm »

Karter, that was awsome, man!
+1000.

Saying you believe jesus came, died and rose, and actualy believing with your heart, are two different things.
Once you become saved, the holy spirit moves in, with you.
You will feel very bad when you sin. His spirit wants no part of that.
 The devil (deceiver) has alot of people tricked into thinking they're saved. That way, they are content in just playing church. Giving God a bad name.
He's got them right where he wants them.
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« Reply #412 on: July 15, 2012, 12:18:54 pm »

One Herman was enough, two now though...
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« Reply #413 on: July 15, 2012, 12:24:50 pm »

No one, forces you to read this , one little bitty thread.
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« Reply #414 on: July 15, 2012, 12:27:45 pm »

No, but the fact that people like you exist and are allowed to vote is quite possibly, the scariest thing imaginable.
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« Reply #415 on: July 15, 2012, 12:48:57 pm »

You're a fool if you think you can't lose salvation.
You're a fool if you think the Bible says you can....

I used 'select' verses? Yeah, select verses from the Bible that I did not take out of context.

Jesus died for our sins you moron, do you not understand what that means?

@Herman: You obviously don't read my post because you just say exactly what I'm saying half the time then just say stuff trying to accuse me of being of bad Christian but yet STILL not proving that I am wrong or will go to Hell. Stop arguing if you're not going to comprehend the other people's points. Actually, just stop posting, you're annoying.

You two disproved nothing. GG.
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« Reply #416 on: July 15, 2012, 01:45:36 pm »

Karter, don't PM me again, please. I don't care about your religious views, but when you accept them as fact, that's when things get silly. No, I am not an atheist for the 100th time..


In response to your PM, which I'm not responding to because I'd rather not have a 1v1 conversation with you. I doubt it would go anywhere. I've had these before:



The ASSUMPTIONS are when people believe God exists with 100% certainty. How can this be? God very well may or may not exist. More than one, even.
But, how can someone know for sure if this is true?


I was born into this world, as was everyone else, knowing nothing. I will die knowing nothing. Life is a massive **** mystery, and that's why it's beautiful. Now, please do not respond with a book of a post.


What could possibly be disrespectful about anything I just posted? It's all true.
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« Reply #417 on: July 15, 2012, 02:04:16 pm »

"You're a fool if you think you can't lose salvation.  I feel for you, and am done addressing you.  Eventually, we'll see."

-Karter


Do you understand now why this is foolish? Read what you posted, and think about it for a few minutes to see the silliness. I'm not PMing you, and it's not disrespectful. I'm trying to understand how a logical mind posts something like that.
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« Reply #418 on: July 15, 2012, 02:04:37 pm »

And thanks for deleting my posts? Whoever that was... I wonder.
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« Reply #419 on: July 15, 2012, 02:13:23 pm »

No, but the fact that people like you exist and are allowed to vote is quite possibly, the scariest thing imaginable.
yep, typical.
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