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« on: May 03, 2012, 11:24:32 pm »

... to spice things up around here. After all, it is the most important topic of them all.

What are your viewpoints? Why? How / when did you come to them?

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2012, 12:39:51 am »

I don't like to categorize myself. I just have certain beliefs /end
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2012, 05:55:11 am »

I'm a human being. I came into this world knowing nothing. I leave knowing nothing.

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2012, 07:26:05 am »

I don't worship anything/anyone. I believe in what is true. I was raised Christian, but eventually I realized that I only believed the way I did because I was born into Christianity. Had my parents believed in Islam, I would have been Muslim. This still didn't set me totally against it, though. For a long time (pretty much 5th-8th grade) I was still afraid that if I followed what my mind knew, a magical fairy who had nothing but the utmost love for me as one of his creations would send me to spend my eternal life in a flaming pit of despair. I saw how silly most parts of the religion and its practice are, but rationalized, telling myself that the Bible was written by a man and of course there would be discrepancies. In the end I simply became an adult.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2012, 01:52:07 pm »

the bible wasnt written by a man...... it was written edited rewritten edited and so on and so forth by many men
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2012, 02:03:30 pm »

the bible wasnt written by a man...... it was written edited rewritten edited and so on and so forth by many men
I actually thought I put that in my post, but I guess I forgot.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2012, 03:33:26 pm »

I don't worship anything/anyone. I believe in what is true.

No one knows what is true........so how can you know what you believe in is true?Huh?? Perhaps some people actually do believe in what is true, because ultimately there is an answer. But still, no one knows the answer. God either exists or he doesn't. Regardless of whether you believe one thing or the other, you don't know which is true, and cannot say with confidence, "I believe in what is true."

Your thoughts and the images you create in your head do not take up space, does that mean your mind does not exist??? Your brain and mind are not the same. So how is it possible that we have a mind if it has no weight, no mass? Is it invisible?

I think God exists.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2012, 03:42:40 pm »

Gravity is "true".  It is a law of the universe.  The presence of mass necessitates the presence of gravity no matter what.

Entropy is "true".  Chaos will increase until it reaches its maximum, and nothing we know about physics can change that.

I'm assuming that's what Jabba means when he said he believes in what is true.  He believes in things that can be proven.



So how is it possible that we have a mind if it has no weight, no mass? Is it invisible?

Electrons have mass.  So do atoms.

I say this because your "mind" is just a collection of chemical reactions and electrical signals.  That's it.  Nothing any more special than that.  It is very much physical, and very visible if you have in your possession a scanning electron microscope.

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On what basis, if you don't mind me asking?
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2012, 03:55:00 pm »

At the most fundamental level, the only thing I can know for fact is that I exist (I think therefore, I am) and everything else only appears to exist.

And really, Turbo?...that is science. "Does God exist?" is a philosophical question. All philosophical questions have answers, but the answers are disputed. There is no evidence to prove God exists or doesn't. Edit: srry I skipped the part where you said you were explaining what Jabba meant

And I'm not really going to google this for you, but you can do so yourself regarding the mind. The smartest neuroscientists can't even explain the mind.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2012, 04:20:40 pm »

Pretty sad though that you say the mind isn't "any more special than some chemical reactions and electrical signals"
The brain and mind are very complex.

Have you personally used a scanning electron microscope???.....lol
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2012, 04:53:18 pm »

At the most fundamental level, the only thing I can know for fact is that I exist (I think therefore, I am) and everything else only appears to exist.

While that's true, it's not very helpful to go around doubting reality.  That's neither here nor there in this conversation, though.

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And really, Turbo?...that is science. "Does God exist?" is a philosophical question. All philosophical questions have answers, but the answers are disputed. There is no evidence to prove God exists or doesn't. Edit: srry I skipped the part where you said you were explaining what Jabba meant

Yeah, it's cool.

But I will say that if God exists in or "visits" this universe in any way whatsoever, he/she/it is therefore at least partially physical or leaves physical traces, which means that science, which deals with the physical world, will be able to detect his/her/its presence to some degree.

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And I'm not really going to google this for you, but you can do so yourself regarding the mind. The smartest neuroscientists can't even explain the mind.

Assuming by "mind" we're both talking specifically about consciousness, that's really not true.  We know exactly what the "mind" is; we just don't know which specific neural pathways give us our consciousness.  We know that the brain is the source of consciousness, but we don't know by what mechanism the brain produces a mind.  That's the only grey area.  We know that our decisions, our emotions -- essentially all cognitive processes -- are determined by chemical reactions in the brain which are translated to electrical signals.  That raises an interesting question about the existence of free will, but that's a bit off topic right now.

Point is, we know exactly what the "mind" is.  We just don't know specifically how we came to have one.

Pretty sad though that you say the mind isn't "any more special than some chemical reactions and electrical signals"
The brain and mind are very complex.

Well, yes, they are.  So are the fields of physics and chemistry.

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2012, 05:03:15 pm »

Ugh. I'm not doubting reality............
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2012, 05:13:29 pm »

People assume what God is and isn't. They assume he's perfect. They assume he "visits the earth," etc. It's actually super annoying and makes every argument concerning the assumptions extremely invalid.
And just because a scientist isn't aware of any Godly presence doesn't mean other people haven't? Not saying I believe those people have experienced it, but really why would a scientist be able to detect that?
I am still on the argument that the mind isn't physical. Perhaps neither is God. You haven't proven that the mind is the same thing as the brain. They are separate.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2012, 05:21:00 pm »

OK. So imagine your parents are doing each other. Now go into your brain and collect me that image. KTHX.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2012, 06:01:32 pm »

Wow that was awesome Dope, really.  As a longtime student of philosophy I can tell you that many of history's best thinkers agree with you.  My favorite case is referred to as Paschal's Wager, which translated and simplified is roughly that it is safer to wager that there is a god and find out that there isn't, than to wager that there isn't and find out that there is.  Perfectly logical and perfectly simple.  In more than 30 years of debating this no one has ever refuted it.  Well done, the depth of your reasoning caused me to re-read it to make sure I was getting all of what you said.  Maybe you should be telling me who to vote for ...
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