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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2012, 12:07:25 am »

As a Christian, I believe sex before marriage is a sin, so it's hard to say what my opinion is.  If you're married, you're likely to have a stable income and could support a child, though obviously, most couples aren't married or even engaged.  I'd say having sex before you're financially secure is irresponsible but of course, no one will agree with me on this.  I only answer because you ask.

We're married but don't want a child, and we took the standard preventative measure to ensure we didn't have one.  Does that make it easier to answer?

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More rights? I think having a say about yourself being killed or remaining alive is pretty standard for the majority of human societies.

Of course, fetuses don't have the ability to vocalize their opinion because they aren't self-conscious yet.  They literally do not know they're alive.  They're just cells; there's no humanity in them yet.
Sorry for the lazy quoting, I'll just answer your questions/replies in order.

If you can support a wife/husband or whatever the case is, chances are you can support a child, even if you need help from the government or friends/family.  Most churches are willing to provide financial aid, I know mine does at least.

I believe that having human DNA makes them human.

I'm not sure if this applies but jellyfish don't have a brain or heart, should we kill them off too? (Had we ever had a reason to)
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2012, 04:03:19 am »

Uhh, can't say I ever read the Old King James version often, so a little hard to understand, though no, I don't.  I don't believe that law applies to the gentiles (non-Jews) and frankly, I'd rather not have this thread turn into a religious debate, so let's keep it at that.

Why believe some parts of the Bible and not others? That seems blatantly inconsistent.

Also, if we're talking about the Republican party, religion will come up inevitably. Plus, it's my topic.
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2012, 09:33:13 am »

If you can support a wife/husband or whatever the case is, chances are you can support a child, even if you need help from the government or friends/family.  Most churches are willing to provide financial aid, I know mine does at least.

I don't see being married as assurance that someone could provide for a child.  So, let's assume that we both work minimum wage retail jobs.  We can support ourselves since we both work, but we could not under any circumstances support a child, as my wife would have to quit her job thus cutting our income in half, all while adding another (very expensive) mouth to the family.  Try to answer the question this time instead of explaining circumstances in which you don't have to.  Tongue

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What about humans in a coma?  Do you think it's wrong to take them off life support even after months of no response?

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I'm not sure if this applies but jellyfish don't have a brain or heart, should we kill them off too? (Had we ever had a reason to)

We aren't talking about killing babies off, just stopping unwanted pregnancies.  I don't see the two as being similar as one implies the extinction of a species.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2012, 03:17:30 pm »

Uhh, can't say I ever read the Old King James version often, so a little hard to understand, though no, I don't.  I don't believe that law applies to the gentiles (non-Jews) and frankly, I'd rather not have this thread turn into a religious debate, so let's keep it at that.

Why believe some parts of the Bible and not others? That seems blatantly inconsistent.

Also, if we're talking about the Republican party, religion will come up inevitably. Plus, it's my topic.
Because not all of the Bible applies to me directly.  Many of the laws given were given specifically to God's chosen people, the Jews.  I refuse to debate religion to you in this topic henceforth.

If you can support a wife/husband or whatever the case is, chances are you can support a child, even if you need help from the government or friends/family.  Most churches are willing to provide financial aid, I know mine does at least.

I don't see being married as assurance that someone could provide for a child.  So, let's assume that we both work minimum wage retail jobs.  We can support ourselves since we both work, but we could not under any circumstances support a child, as my wife would have to quit her job thus cutting our income in half, all while adding another (very expensive) mouth to the family.  Try to answer the question this time instead of explaining circumstances in which you don't have to.  Tongue
I find it hard to believe that a family can't support a child.  I look at examples in Africa where there are families with no jobs, and eight children.  Obviously they can't support them all but considering all eight are still alive, I find it hard to believe that in North America a family couldn't support one child.  The argument then comes, is it better to give a child a chance at life, having the possibility that it's a terrible one, or just never knowing and taking his/her life away?

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What about humans in a coma?  Do you think it's wrong to take them off life support even after months of no response?
No I don't, but in that circumstance, the person in a coma has no chance (assuming it's been months) of survival or a real life.  I've heard tons of stories about children who have made a well-being later in life and started off homeless as a child.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2012, 05:03:01 pm »

I find it hard to believe that a family can't support a child.  I look at examples in Africa where there are families with no jobs, and eight children.  Obviously they can't support them all but considering all eight are still alive, I find it hard to believe that in North America a family couldn't support one child.

Then you're not familiar with the lower class.  Keeping people alive =/= supporting them.  Keeping a child fed, clean, clothed, and safe is hugely expensive.  You need diapers, towels, clothes, a bed, special food, running water, electricity, a home, a school, school supplies, tuition fees, etc.  That's not even considering the cost of the hospital visit to have the baby in the first place, nor its immunization shots when it gets a bit older.  A typical household that makes $30k a year is not going to be able to support a child, considering their income will likely be cut significantly due to having to take care of the baby.

Could they keep it alive?  Probably.  Could they give it the opportunities necessary for it to do better than they did?  The odds are stacked heavily against them.

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The argument then comes, is it better to give a child a chance at life, having the possibility that it's a terrible one, or just never knowing and taking his/her life away?

But you're missing half the question.  It should go: Is it better to give a child a chance at life, having the possibility that it's a terrible one and almost definitely ruining the chance of the mother to ever have a career or to improve her lot, or just never knowing and taking his/her life away?

And, if you're a compassionate person, your answer should be the one that benefits the people that already exist instead of hoping the child does well regardless of its environment.

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What about humans in a coma?  Do you think it's wrong to take them off life support even after months of no response?
No I don't, but in that circumstance, the person in a coma has no chance (assuming it's been months) of survival or a real life.

How do you know?

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I've heard tons of stories about children who have made a well-being later in life and started off homeless as a child.

And for every one of those stories you've heard, there are multiple juvenile detention centers full of the ones who weren't that lucky.
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2012, 06:46:11 pm »

Because not all of the Bible applies to me directly.  Many of the laws given were given specifically to God's chosen people, the Jews.  I refuse to debate religion to you in this topic henceforth.

Translation: Because some of the rules are so outdated and ridiculous I refuse to follow them, but I'm still clinging to my delusional, backwards belief because I'm not ready to think for myself yet.

I refuse to question my religion any more because it makes me uncomfortable.
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2012, 08:02:37 pm »

@ Turbo:  Do African kids have clean clothes, electricity, much food, and everything else you stated?  No.  Most of the Africans I've met that were born and raised in places like Kenya are the happiest people I've met on earth.

For the coma, the months without response is where I would take it.  You can't know, it's always impossible to know the future.  I honestly don't have much of an opinion on this.

@ Paranoid:  Because of your lack of knowledge of the Bible, I'm going to ignore your statement.  You don't understand the difference between Jews and Gentiles, so I'll stop wasting my time on an under-educated flamer.
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2012, 08:23:35 pm »

lmaooooo turbo and paranoid love ganging up on ppl for no reason. so cooooool.
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2012, 08:25:02 pm »

"hai im paranoid, dis mai topix so i mayk da roolz mk? let me bully u moar even tho u clearly rnt tryna fite."
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2012, 08:35:41 pm »

Turbo isn't ganging up with Paranoid, he's just debating with me, and I respect him for not bringing religion into it as I've asked to ignore that subject and focus on the subject at hand (and that related to the OP).

Paranoid dislikes me and takes every chance he can at 'taking me down'.  He can do what he likes and I respect his opinion, I just don't agree with it.
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2012, 08:44:13 pm »

I don't think Paranoid dislikes you, he's just really dislikes religion to the point where he can't have an argument without bashing it.

Or maybe he does dislike you too, I don't know you all's history. But I know the first point is true.
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2012, 08:45:07 pm »

ok ic.
well, tiger, i'll be honest with you. my opinion about abortion is right. bc i'm always right ^o^
and all you boys on here have unworthy opinions because you simply are not a girl. srrryy.

and turbo is an annoying poster. he doesn't actually care for your opinion, he just wants to outsmart you.
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2012, 08:49:52 pm »

paranoid has never said anything intelligent. but he thinks he does in all his posts.
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2012, 09:13:08 pm »

@ Turbo:  Do African kids have clean clothes, electricity, much food, and everything else you stated?  No.  Most of the Africans I've met that were born and raised in places like Kenya are the happiest people I've met on earth.

Quality of life is much different.  Even so, most people who live in such conditions will likely die prematurely due to a number of factors that aren't present in the middle and upper classes of the US, and to some extent the lower class.

Not to mention places like Kenya are still developing.  It's not hard to improve your quality of life when all you need to land a job is willingness to work.  That's not the case in the US; many hiring companies are looking for college degrees and multiple years of experience for entry level jobs.  So unless you want to work at McDonald's for the rest of your life, you better have a degree and a robust skill set.  Or rich parents.

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For the coma, the months without response is where I would take it.  You can't know, it's always impossible to know the future.  I honestly don't have much of an opinion on this.

Exactly, and that's why I'd rather not bring a child into the world if it's more likely than not that his or her existence will be miserable.  Let me reiterate that I don't like abortions.  I wish they weren't a thing, because I wish we were in a world where everyone could provide for the lives they create.  But we don't live in that world, and every day we see populations rise without a matching rise in quality of life is another day, perhaps even another year or generation, that we prolong finding a solution.  We can't fix the problem immediately, but perpetuating the system isn't helping the billions of kids that will come into life in the future.








and turbo is an annoying poster. he doesn't actually care for your opinion, he just wants to outsmart you.

I'm sorry you feel that way.
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2012, 09:40:26 pm »

How the **** can you bring religion into a topic and not expect me to talk about it? If you take your belief system and use it to justify a viewpoint you can't expect me to ignore that ****. I have every right to insult a religion that goes out of it's way to insult and judge others as inadequate human beings. I'd say I have not just a "right" to talk about religion in this topic, but a duty, as does does every other rational person. The second you offer a scripture based opinion about what I should believe, or what morals I should hold, then you can expect it to be acknowledged. I feel morally compelled to to make my distaste for religion known loud and often, regardless of whether or not I offend you. I quite simply give your religion as much respect as it gives me. It tells me I am an evil sinner who is damned to eternal torture because I'm an atheist... and I have to be courteous and respectful towards this viewpoint?!? **** that. It tells homosexuals that they're less of a person for the way they were born, and I have to swallow this pill and not question it? You're being overly sensitive... it's an internet forum, this is the backdraft section... what did you expect? Do you want me to talk about the weather?

Please keep this in mind next time you **** and moan about me making fun of you because you're a religious person. Also keep in mind that I've been made fun of and judged 10x more because I'm an atheist. Not necessarily on this forum, but in public. If you want to play the persecution card, be my ****ing guest.

That being said, I'm sorry if I offended you. Welcome to the real world.

paranoid has never said anything intelligent. but he thinks he does in all his posts.

I don't know how you got this impression and I could give two ****s.I could tell you how I feel about your 658 posts but that would be a huge waste of my time.
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