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An in depth analysis of why Weed should not be legalized

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« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2012, 07:08:13 pm »

1.  Wow you know nothing of economics.  You are making the assumption that people spend every dime they make.  Hence, money spent at X leaves Y.  You are wrong.  A new industry facilitate commerce.  More commerce = more jobs, more sales, more revenue and more tax income.  You are thinking that alcohol and cigarettes will take a hit?  Alcohol and cigarettes have flourished even though taxes are consistently raised on them.  Herb will not replace them, it will add to them.  Remember, weed is already here!  It just isn't taxed and corporations can't dive in.
Another point = ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTE COMPANIES WILL PROFIT OFF OF WEED.  Camel will cultivate, all of them will.  Smirnoff will offer weed infused vodka.  It already exists, google it!
 
2.  Insider trading was made illegal to try and create a fair market and protect shareholders.  It has nothing to do with this debate lol
3.  The government does not tax apples grown at home, so why would it tax home grown herb?  If you think the masses of smokers will not BUY, you are sadly mistaken.  It costs money to grow and not everyone is willing to put in the time and money to do so.  The VAST MAJORITY of smokers do NOT grow.  Specialty products will be made as well, such as edibles and blends that home growers can not produce themselves.  If users do decide to grow, guess what, the SUPPLIES they buy to grow will generate tax revenue!  Do you really think Sally soccer mom is going to grow?  nope.
Furthermore, even if you do grow, there will be times you are out and you have none.  Maybe on vacation, or maybe your plants are not producing yet.  Everyone will buy.
4.  What illegal activity?  If it is legal, there is no illegal activity!  Of course you'll get people getting DUIs, etc, but all the guys in jail are there due to possession and sales.  The number of offenders will be cut down dramatically.

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« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2012, 07:13:09 pm »

Portugal's crime rate is down roughly 50% since decriminalizing drugs about a decade ago.
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between the 3 of them or how ever many where there one of them could of got the gun and pointed it at him and told him to gtfo. Its that simple he would of left no one raped murdered lives saved so on and so forth daugher be eating her captain crunch the next morning
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« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2012, 07:13:23 pm »

I'd like to point out that the DEA also wouldn't require as much funding.
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« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2012, 07:37:06 pm »

I think the destruction of the drug cartels is a much bigger point than most people let on. These are some of the most violent, intrinsically evil people literally ever. Getting rid of them by legalizing Mary Jane would be the #1 pro

the us is selfish, though, and doesn't give a **** about innocent civilians in Mexico dying... If it happened in here like it does over there it would be a different debate
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« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2012, 08:19:05 pm »

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You are making the assumption that people spend every dime they make.  Hence, money spent at X leaves Y.  You are wrong.  A new industry facilitate commerce.  More commerce = more jobs, more sales, more revenue and more tax income.

People spend too much as it is. You're not gaining jobs, you're re-allocating them from dealers to crown corporations.

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You are thinking that alcohol and cigarettes will take a hit?  Alcohol and cigarettes have flourished even though taxes are consistently raised on them.  Herb will not replace them, it will add to them.  Remember, weed is already here!  It just isn't taxed and corporations can't dive in.

The assumption is, the market for weed will grow to current users who don't currently purchase the product. Ergo, the new market will have to be funded from somewhere else.

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2.  Insider trading was made illegal to try and create a fair market and protect shareholders.  It has nothing to do with this debate lol

But it poses no health risks to the user.

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The VAST MAJORITY of smokers do NOT grow.

Why not? Because it's expensive or because the punishment for growing weed is more severe than possession? Find me a study that proves your theory. You can't legalize something on what ifs.

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Furthermore, even if you do grow, there will be times you are out and you have none.  Maybe on vacation, or maybe your plants are not producing yet.  Everyone will buy.

Which leads to more dealing. Why not buy off someone who is growing tax free? It would be nearly impossible to trace back where it was purchased from.

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4.  What illegal activity?  If it is legal, there is no illegal activity!  Of course you'll get people getting DUIs, etc, but all the guys in jail are there due to possession and sales.  The number of offenders will be cut down dramatically.

People would still sell at below market rates, just like people any black market product.

Portugal's crime rate is down roughly 50% since decriminalizing drugs about a decade ago.

It just means people aren't being punished. Let's decriminalize murder too. Crimes rates would drop.

I'd like to point out that the DEA also wouldn't require as much funding.

Possibly, assuming that the price of weed can be sold at a price people are willing to pay. A black market could very well still exist.

I think the destruction of the drug cartels is a much bigger point than most people let on. These are some of the most violent, intrinsically evil people literally ever. Getting rid of them by legalizing Mary Jane would be the #1 pro

the us is selfish, though, and doesn't give a **** about innocent civilians in Mexico dying... If it happened in here like it does over there it would be a different debate

There's many internal issues that need to be fixed before the US can start worrying about issues on an international level.
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« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2012, 08:44:36 pm »

Dealers will have to get jobs + crown companies will have to expand.
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« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2012, 08:47:00 pm »

Fix the internal issue and legalize MJ, in turn fixing an international issue. Boom, how's that for efficiency
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« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2012, 08:57:37 pm »

There's nothing to gain.
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« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2012, 09:05:08 pm »

Possibly, assuming that the price of weed can be sold at a price people are willing to pay. A black market could very well still exist.

Good point.  Though since it is easy to grow, I'd imagine the price shouldn't be too high.  Would depend on the tax.
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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2012, 09:08:32 pm »

You're looking at a huge mark up in price from the current per gram rate if it's taxed anywhere near the levels of alcohol.
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« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2012, 09:26:51 pm »

Yeah, but what would a huge markup be?

I mean, if it can be grown and distributed cheaply, the percentage markup would be huge but the actual monetary increase wouldn't be so bad.
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« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2012, 09:35:43 pm »

There's a lot of expenses. The actual production might be cheaper than Joe the dealer doing it in his home, but factor in distribution costs, shipping costs, labour costs and I don't think you're looking at a relatively cheap product.
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« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2012, 09:38:50 pm »

Maybe not.  Too much speculation for my liking, though.  My opinion is that this should be strictly a personal freedom issue, but that's merely a normative viewpoint.
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« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2012, 09:42:48 pm »

You would need a company to come out and say "I can produce this product for X amount all expenses in."
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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2012, 09:53:02 pm »

I think its ammusing that people think cartels will decipate if its legal.  Lordy that is funny.  Do you think they'll think, "welp, its pointless to slang it now, let's just all go home and become farm boys."

They'll dip into other merkets too. They're not stupid.  Harder drugs like meth, pcp, herone, etc will become their next main agenda. Hell, they may even become more ruthless than they are now, depending on if they get strung out on harder stuff.  Let's try to keep a more open mind when it comes to the cartel, because believe me, they do.
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