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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2012, 10:25:17 pm » |
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Less demand for harder drugs = less power for cartels
Also, *amusing
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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2012, 10:29:25 pm » |
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Less demand for harder drugs = less power for cartels
Also, *amusing
If the cost of a government tax gram of weed is $20 a gram, and the cartels are still able to export it and sell it at a cost of $10 a gram, the demand isn't going to drop all that much.
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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2012, 10:43:52 pm » |
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Less demand for harder drugs = less power for cartels
Also, *amusing
and the cartels are still able to export it and sell it at a cost of $10 a gram, the demand isn't going to drop all that much. Big assumption there, Tex. us government vs cartels I take the government if there's $$$ to be made.
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« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2012, 01:33:40 pm » |
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Holy hell, you idiots aren't thinking big enough. Legalization gives EVERYONE access to the drug, not just your current users. The MAJORITY of the USA does NOT use, nor do they have access to your drug runners. Legalization opens the market to the MASSES, not the minority who choose to currently break the law.
Molly Housewife can run to the supermarket and buy a pack of joints for her and her gal friends whenever she wants, she doesn't have to wait until that one time she's camping with Bozo Plumber to snag a hit.
Easy access for MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people!
Moonshining is illegal, and I have NEVER seen moonshine available in California, NEVER. Retail DOMINATES alcohol sales, and the same will occur with jane. Majority will NOT grow. It is a novelty market.
When it does become legal (and it will in our lifetimes) the impact will knock your socks off.
If you are worried about a few local peddelers selling 30% below retail ruining the market, you are sadly mistaken. The whole point of legalization is to no longer break the law! Jane will be converted from a niche market into a MASS market. Open the floodgates!
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And I'm done with doucheydouche, his logic was stolen from his jr high's debate team.
How about this numbskull? Money X comes from Money Y? How about the money that is CURRENTLY being spent on the drug will be TAXED. You can tax the CURRENT market and make billions. No displacement. Even though your whole Money X and Y crap is completely incorrect and you have no idea what you're talking about.
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And legalization would decimate cartels. They can't just "ramp" up harder drugs. There needs to be demand. Legalization will decrease demand of harder drugs. They'll still make money off harder stuff, but their primary market will be DESTROYED. They will become weaker and weaker.
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Cartels are not going to sell Jane at $10 / gram to the end user!! There is no profit in that. There are too many hands involved. If anything you'll get locals growing and selling, who if caught will be prosecuted. They can't just hang out front of stores and steal market share like food trucks. They either start their own small business or sell on a small-scale illegally. The MAJORITY of sales will be taxed and legal! Sammy Stoner can not compete with the big boys, Camel, Marlboro, etc.
Sammy Stoner will NOT provide the specialty products that will be huge hits.
Edibles, infused alcohols, blends, joints, etc.
You underestimate the market legalization will create.
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« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2012, 01:55:12 pm » |
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Holy hell, you idiots aren't thinking big enough. Legalization gives EVERYONE access to the drug, not just your current users. The MAJORITY of the USA does NOT use, nor do they have access to your drug runners. Legalization opens the market to the MASSES, not the minority who choose to currently break the law. Where did I argue otherwise? Moonshining is illegal, and I have NEVER seen moonshine available in California, NEVER. Retail DOMINATES alcohol sales, and the same will occur with jane. Majority will NOT grow. It is a novelty market. Moon shinning is a lot harder than growing weed. If you are worried about a few local peddelers selling 30% below retail ruining the market, you are sadly mistaken. The whole point of legalization is to no longer break the law! Jane will be converted from a niche market into a MASS market. Open the floodgates!
You never answered the question. Would you pay $20 a gram for it? How about this numbskull? Money X comes from Money Y? How about the money that is CURRENTLY being spent on the drug will be TAXED. You can tax the CURRENT market and make billions. No displacement. Even though your whole Money X and Y crap is completely incorrect and you have no idea what you're talking about. Again, you're assuming all illegal trade will stop and no one will grow their own weed. For this to work, growing your own personal stash would have to be illegal and you are clearly against that. You are clearly missing the point. If it gets legalized, the price of taxable marijuana will shoot through the fu cking roof. You can't have people growing their own weed. It defeats the whole concept of taxing it. Any weed sold would need to be taxed before it reaches the end consumers, to assure that it is being taxed properly. Now answer another for me which you ignored: Insider trading doesn't pose any health risks, we should make it legal, correct? Or, or, or.... Are there other factors that contribute to the legalization of a product or service other than health risks? Wake the f uck up. This is the real world.
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« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2012, 06:28:54 pm » |
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Also if it was legalized less amount of harder drugs will be used they wouldn't have to worry about jay dawg by the dumpsters trying to push crack and meth on them when all they wanted was a lil bit of weed. It it was processed like cigs they would just have to go to the store and pick it up instead of having to deal with individuals trying to get you hooked on something harder therefor they make more money and get a repeating customer.
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« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2012, 06:51:48 pm » |
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Here in California, those with medical card already pay $20 a gram for premium quality. Cheaper stuff can run down to like $15. I would gladly pay $20 at the grocery store, how cool would Camel Jane Cigarettes be, damn.
Growing Jane is easier than moonshining. Though, you can't just run a process and have Jane in an hour. It takes time to grow plants, especially if you do not have all the proper hydroponic crap. People might throw a plant or two outside for fun, and it will flower once and need to be replanted lol. Even growers will have significant downtime. Only really heavy users are going to have 8 plants, 4 on and 4 off throughout the year.
And growers don't need to be penalized. I have an apple tree in my back yard, and I don't have to pay taxes on it. The fruit is coming from MY LAND. There is no SALES, and hence, no tax.
That being said, even growers will stop in and buy random joints, accessories, edibles and other novelty items.
And, I don't follow your insider trading metaphor. Insider trading laws protect shareholders and create a fair market.
Illegal Jane hurts more people than it helps, so your analogy is backwards? You were trying to be clever and picked a poor analogy in the process.
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« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2012, 07:31:32 pm » |
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Here in California, those with medical card already pay $20 a gram for premium quality. Cheaper stuff can run down to like $15. I would gladly pay $20 at the grocery store, how cool would Camel Jane Cigarettes be, damn.
The distributors get massive tax deductions, which would disappear if you were to tax it properly in an effort to gain more revenue. And growers don't need to be penalized. I have an apple tree in my back yard, and I don't have to pay taxes on it. The fruit is coming from MY LAND. There is no SALES, and hence, no tax. Apples don't provide a serious source of taxable revenue for the government. A product like mar ijuana would. If you let people grow it, people are going to sell it and again, take away from the tax revenue generated. You can't allow this if you want this system to work. And, I don't follow your insider trading metaphor. Insider trading laws protect shareholders and create a fair market.
Illegal Jane hurts more people than it helps, so your analogy is backwards? You were trying to be clever and picked a poor analogy in the process.
That's not the argument you made. You said weed posed no health risks, and therefore, it should be legalized.
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« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2012, 07:45:57 pm » |
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yawn i win
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Paranoid71
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« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2012, 09:46:56 pm » |
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Yeah, winning usually involves totally ignoring logic.
I will revive this thread when MJ is legal and it's a hit
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« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2012, 10:14:47 pm » |
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Yeah, winning usually involves totally ignoring logic.
I will revive this thread when MJ is legal and it's a hit 
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« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2012, 11:21:36 pm » |
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I think the main reason users buy it is because they're scared to grow it. I've smoked on and off for more than 25 yrs and every person I know that uses would grow it if was legal to do so. I know I would cover every square inch of my back yard 
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« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2012, 05:20:23 am » |
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+1 for Baw ^^
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 between the 3 of them or how ever many where there one of them could of got the gun and pointed it at him and told him to gtfo. Its that simple he would of left no one raped murdered lives saved so on and so forth daugher be eating her captain crunch the next morning
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