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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2012, 06:57:35 pm »

I don't care for COD, either sides. If people like the game, then why get rid of what they like? As long as it doesn't affect me or my life then by all means play it all you want. Personally I don't like the game. Maybe thats because i'm not a fan of the FPS genre.
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2012, 07:40:45 pm »



Call of Duty is becoming like every sports series ever. New game ever year which claims to have this and that more than the other but all it is is updated rosters and some new gimmicks (in CoD's case new guns/maps...and yeah new gimmicks). Not saying this is a bad thing, if it's not broke don't try to fix it.

Only thing is, I don't think they should charge 60 dollars if they're just going to push out virtually the same game with a different scenery every year but people will still buy it, so who cares? It's all about the money.
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2012, 08:53:11 pm »

Pokemon is always a rehash, it isn't hated for it. Same with pretty much every Nintendo game. Nobody cares. Assassin's Creed did it, nobody cares.
Ummm, what?

Pokemon being a rehash is like the #1 reason I'v heard for people dropping the series.

EVERY NINTENDO GAME WHAT THE ****? Every **** game is different.

Compare Ocarina of time to Majora's Mask to Wind Waker. Mario and Metroid are the same in this respect.

Many of my friends hate Assassins Creed, so I don't know about that.

To add my own example, people have been dropping a deuce on the Mega Man franchise forever because of this. While I personally don't think this is the reason the series has never ascended to the level of Contra's quality (I blame just the general design of the franchise), I can see how this gets on some peoples nerves.

If you like rehashes, that's fine, but not everyone feels the same was as you and perhaps your friends do about copy paste.
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2012, 08:53:57 pm »



Call of Duty is becoming like every sports series ever. New game ever year which claims to have this and that more than the other but all it is is updated rosters and some new gimmicks (in CoD's case new guns/maps...and yeah new gimmicks). Not saying this is a bad thing, if it's not broke don't try to fix it.

Only thing is, I don't think they should charge 60 dollars if they're just going to push out virtually the same game with a different scenery every year but people will still buy it, so who cares? It's all about the money.
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2012, 08:55:47 pm »

Pokemon is always a rehash, it isn't hated for it. Same with pretty much every Nintendo game. Nobody cares. Assassin's Creed did it, nobody cares.
EVERY NINTENDO GAME WHAT THE ****? Every ****ing game is different.

Compare Ocarina of time to Majora's Mask to Wind Waker. Mario and Metroid are the same in this respect.
You're wrong here.  Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess are great games, but there's some pretty obvious similarities.

Are Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 really that different? Ooooh, Yoshi is here!
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2012, 09:13:44 pm »

Pokemon is always a rehash, it isn't hated for it. Same with pretty much every Nintendo game. Nobody cares. Assassin's Creed did it, nobody cares.
EVERY NINTENDO GAME WHAT THE ****? Every ****ing game is different.

Compare Ocarina of time to Majora's Mask to Wind Waker. Mario and Metroid are the same in this respect.
You're wrong here.  Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess are great games, but there's some pretty obvious similarities.

Are Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 really that different? Ooooh, Yoshi is here!
There was a two game intermission between ocarina and twilight. I think you could argue that they're different enough, but I won't attempt to.

Galaxy...Honestly I haven't played the sequel. But comparing it to it's predecessors is a pretty big stretch. Sunshine may have been a bit of a let down compared to 64, but it tried to be different. It just didn't have the magic imo.

New Smb is pretty bad though.

But if you look at the history of Nintendo, it's pretty hard to say they are the same thing over and over outside of some newer games and Pokemon *edit* AND FIRE EMBLEM.

Compare Smb1 > Doki Doki Panic/Smb2 > Smb3 > Yoshi's Island (yes I know World comes after smb3 but oh well).

Metroid 1 is a lot like loz 1 in that it plays almost nothing like any modern game. Metroid 2 is a bit more streamlined but I personally hate it so let's not talk about it. Metroid 3 was the first game in the series that was fully modern. After that, the Prime trilogy was a HUGE innovation, and each game in the trilogy tried (and imo succeeded) in keeping it fresh. The handheld games were more of the same, and then there's Other M

Let's not talk about that.

Compare Loz 1 to 2 (again, huge departure) then to 3 (much like super metroid, the first really modern game in the series imo). You could complain about the side games, but Link's Awakenings big gimmick was that it was portable, which was huge for the time. The Oracle series innovated with the 2 game cross over thing, as well as being IMMENSELY ****ING HIGH QUALITY. as the main series continued, we got Ocarina, then Majora (my personal favorite) and wind waker. And so forth.

outside of Nintendo, we have Castlevania. Arguably, people got tired of metroidvania's every other year, which is why we have the ABOMINABLE direction the series is currently being taken in. *edit* IN RETROSPECT, the complaints were somewhat illfounded what with the interesting new systems each game added (soul stealing, team play, glyphs, ect).

Contra games are so rare and so GOD TIER that nobody really gives a **** how similar they are. *edit* Actually, now that I think about it, the games really do switch up the formula a lot.


Being the same thing year in and year out is not NECESSARILY a bad thing. It can be depending on what type of game it is, or what it's aiming for. But it can be acceptable. Though I definitely think that gamers in general have shown weariness of franchises that stick too closely to a formula and got stale.

But really, it's the quality of the individual game as a work of art that matters above all.
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2012, 10:17:53 pm »

You're wrong here.  Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess are great games, but there's some pretty obvious similarities.

Are Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 really that different? Ooooh, Yoshi is here!

With Zelda it seems like after Wind Waker, the fans didn't know what they wanted. The fans wanted a game that looked like the Zelda GC tech demo and was similar to Ocarina of Time after Wind Waker came out. We got Twilight Princess and they complained that it was too similar to Ocarina of Time. It's like hating the new thing that comes out and praising the game before it. It happens with Zelda and it has also happened with Mario Kart.

About the Galaxy games, Galaxy 2 being the first direct console sequel since the NES days was mainly the ideas that they weren't able to implement into the 1st game. But I'm sure you probably knew that.

That'll be all from me I guess.
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2012, 11:04:05 pm »

My point still stands. Almost every series that has sequels is going to be "the same" in some way, and nobody complains about except when it's CoD because it's the most mainstream. Dumb.

Keep in mind that I hate defending CoD cause as a series they are not "great" games. They're just good for being a social platform.
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2012, 12:02:59 am »

My point still stands. Almost every series that has sequels is going to be "the same" in some way, and nobody complains about except when it's CoD because it's the most mainstream. Dumb.
No, your point no longer stands because I just pointed out other franchises that have taken **** for it. Mega Man has taken **** for it. Castlevania has taken **** for it. Pokemon has taken **** for it. Street Fighter has taken **** for it (which completely debunks your claim since if SF isn't hardcore I don't know what is). And arguably, legend of zelda has taken some **** for it in more recent years.

And no, there are plenty of long running franchises that have managed to stay innovative, to the point that sequels aren't merely expansions of the previous games. How much a sequel (in any medium) is "the same" as it's predecessor really depends on your view point, since all sequels have to share something with their predecessor in order to be a sequel at all.

Your belief that this is a CoD only phenomenon is wrong. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing. There are plenty of excellent franchises that have offered little innovation over the years. But people growing weary of rehashes and copy and paste is not something new. It's been going on since the days of the original Street Fighter 2. And probably before.

Keep in mind that I hate defending CoD cause as a series they are not "great" games. They're just good for being a social platform.
So basically, you don't see them as video games? Okay.
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2012, 12:35:29 pm »

Okay.
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2012, 12:42:31 pm »

Keep in mind that I hate defending CoD cause as a series they are not "great" games. They're just good for being a social platform.
So basically, you don't see them as video games? Okay.
That's not what he said at all.
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2012, 12:48:37 pm »

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It's kind of what I meant, but they're obviously video games. I mean I don't like comparing them to other games because they're completely different for the fact that most people buy it just because their friends also play it. It's just become so big that is sustains itself by... existing. D:
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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2012, 01:01:40 pm »

It's funny, because a statement like that is more likely to cause rage about the series then anything else lol.
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2012, 01:26:19 pm »

Again, I don't like defending it and I don't like bashing it because I am right in the middle, I recognise both sides and I used to switch between them every 3 months.  Undecided
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2012, 02:44:22 pm »

Tongue

It's kind of what I meant, but they're obviously video games. I mean I don't like comparing them to other games because they're completely different for the fact that most people buy it just because their friends also play it. It's just become so big that is sustains itself by... existing. D:

The bolded I actually agree with but mostly due to playing it online because I have friends that do.

This topic surely took a turn for the better.
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