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« on: March 05, 2013, 10:15:32 pm »

The last update and final dlc were released today. AFter this EA will not support BF3. What are your final ratings and opinions on the game?

I think it was mediocre at best but I'd rate it at 4/10 generally.

I think that it does have some nicely improved mechanics over BC2 but for every one thing they improved they totally ****ed up another 2 or 3. Just a quick run through of the positives and negatives and how some of the negatives really sucked the fun out of the game.

Positives:
>Mostly improved mechanics- things like gunplay was much better and took a lot more skill. Movement was much more fluid in the end and strafe running was an excellent improvement over BC2. In the end, the gunplay is the thing that might redeem the game for some people.

>Server browser- great for choosing a server with good ping/connection.

>LOL THAT'S PROBABLY IT

Negatives:
>Health- ****, seriously, I don't know why they keep slashing the health down. I hate dying after getting shot a few times. Huge negative for me

>Vehicle health regeneration- made engies just a little less important

>Kit balance- little reason not to be Assault. Do other kits even get points for doing ****?

>Lock on everything- even just the beeps were annoying as ****

>Map size and quality- Battlefield 3: Ghost Town or Bottleneck 3: The grind

>Weapon Balance- Battlefield 3: M16a3 vs the world

>Animations- feet stick through walls and jumping over rails makes you invincible

>Patching- 2 gig patches every few months

>Suppresssion- decent mechanic but not managed well. If your crosshairs were on people, the bullets should hit.

>Premium member****- cash grab. I feel raep'd again

>Input lag for a whole year after realease

>Voip messed up for several months

>USAS + frag rounds

>Bloom everywhere, blue tint and sun glare- **** their "art direction"

>Timed exclusivity- I don't care if I benefited. This **** shouldn't happen


I know that's just nitpicking a lot but all of those things really made the game bad for me. Even though a few of those were fixed it took them forever to do it so I had to fault them for it. This game was all about the grind and that's what made it a pain to play. That's why it gets compared to CoD a lot and i think it's a bit of a fair comparison.

Final score: 4/10

I'm leaning towards not buying the next title. I don't have faith that DICE will make another good game and I have a feeling that it's because EA took over as creative director so they can make Call of Battlefield.

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2013, 11:03:27 pm »

Yeah, despite the fact that it is the only game I've purchased in the last what, 18 months? I really don't think it's all that great. I just don't want to spend anymore money on games. The game just didn't have that fun factor. I keep trying but just can't find it.

My biggest complaints are visuals or as you said artistic design factor. The maps really aren't that great either. I also could never find a go to gun. You're right about the grind and bottleneck and emptiness. More later maybe...
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2013, 11:52:35 pm »

Well like I said in the long PS3 PMs, I'd rate it highly because after everything is said and done with, I feel I got my money's worth. I understand how they tried to cater to the CoD players but even with all of that, it still feels like it's own game. You do have less health than in BC2 but I never compared this game to BC2 so it never bothered me. I understood the fact that Battlefield 1-3 were completely different from the BC series.

I think that was the biggest problem from WiiUnite BC2 players swapping to BF3, you guys compared the two just because they both had Battlefield in the name. Tongue If you're coming off of a great year of playing with friends nightly, and everyone having good laughs, nothing will compare. Imagine if EA made MOHH3 for Wii a year after MOHH2 but they made it a lot like CoD....everyone here would have hated it because they were still on that high from MOHH2.

I guess playing CoD and BF equally allowed me to appreciate the differences and changes. In CoD the health seems a LOT lower because you literally drop in 2 bullets if someone hits you in the head. Add that to small maps and you have SMGs everywhere that can hipfire spray for easy kills. That means little to no gun variety as a whole. So yes, the M16 was annoying and overused, but every gun had an equal chance at killing it if your aim was better. I've played in clan matches with nothing but medic ****s using the M16 and AEK, but I still topped the leaderboard because I ran a Saiga and played smart. I've never played another game that had 80+ weapons and all of them had a decent chance at killing.

800+ hours and none of my guns are over 800 kills...That's why I always laugh when people on BL are crying for nerfs and buffs. Everything has a counter in this game and that was always part of the fun for me. I'm not even mentioning Vehicles even though those were hands down my favorite part of the game.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2013, 12:08:52 am »

BTW if I played this game solo, I would probably have a much different opinion...I was getting tired of the game really fast as well. In the beginning all I did was play solo and it was annoying as hell getting blues that were retarded as ****. I originally didn't want to join a clan but none of you guys liked playing so I really had no choice. Glad I took SBC's advice and checked out R3D because it made the game fun again having a squad that knew what to do to win.

That definitely played a big part in me still wanting to log on nightly and get some laughs in. Crashing a helicopter/jet on your friend while he's running to a base never gets old.  Evil
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2013, 07:26:17 am »

They love you more than me, crzy :( lol

I like the game i just feel like i get ripped off every time i turn around. Premium was a rip off the "limited edition" was a rip off, i get ripped offa thousand times a night when i know i should've killed the other person first, i get ripped off when i join a game with friends but get separated from the squad and have to play against them...

Back to karkand: 2/10
Original maps: 6/10
Close quarters: 8/10
Armored kill: 3/10
Endgame: 4/10 (so far)

Overall, I'd say 6/10
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2013, 09:20:40 am »

Crzy- didnt have issues with low health in cod while playing hc modes (spamming vests in mw3) and since I was use to low health in hc modes, core modes were easier.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2013, 05:21:50 pm »

^Yeah but what I meant was, compared to CoD, the BF3 weapons take a lot longer to kill. Half a mag compared to COD's 2-3 round kill even in normal Core modes. Was using CoD as an example because I can appreciate BF's health system still being at a good point since it takes aim to kill and not just spray and pray hipfire like in CoD.

As for Premium being a ripoff...I don't think so. Again, comparing it to CoD Elite, you're getting a whole lot more for your money. New Modes, Weapons, Camos, Challenges, Dogtags, Vehicles, and Maps as opposed to just new maps. CoD is just barely introducing new guns to the DLC and even that sucked because it was just 1 weapon that's not even good IMO.

All of the DLC maps are mixed from small to large maps depending on what you like. CQD is the CQC fast paced game, B2K is average sized infantry warfare, AK is your huge vehicle gameplay, AM is another mixed size of infantry warfare, and EG is a mix of medium sized to large vehicle gameplay. All of those maps cater to any weapon choice which expands everyone's options.

My only main negative from BF was the fact that we could only get 12v12 games when PC got 64 players...especially when some of the maps were never scaled down to compensate the lower player count. But again, comparing it to CoD, we have twice as many players as they do so I still appreciated that fact.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2013, 05:41:49 pm »

No, I still wouldn't say that Premium was a good deal at all, especially for consoles. Like you said, a lot of those maps were clearly not designed for 12 player teams so my argument is that, despite you getting a lot of stuff for just 50 dollars, not a whole lot of it was that good.

I'd also like to point out that BC2 had a VIP service and all the dlc maps were free. There might not have been any guns or vehicles added but still, you can't beat free maps, most of which were very well recieved. Then you have Vietnam which was excellent and just $15.

The bad thing about Prem. was that you had to pay for stuff without first knowing about the quality of the product. A lot of people did feel cheated.
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2013, 09:09:33 pm »

Well I compared it to another similar service out on the market and that would be CoD Elite. That's a yearly subscription service just to track your stats(We get that free with BL) and cheaper DLC. Elite doesn't give any new weapons, camos, challenges, etc. IF Premium is a one time charge like EA said last year, then when BF4 comes out we get all of those DLC free as well making it that much better.

4 DLC(not counting B2K since that came free with Limited Edition) is still $10 cheaper with Premium instead of buying them separate for $60. Yeah you don't know which type of maps you're getting, but it's the same as any other pre-order...you never know if the full game will be good based on the trailers and screens shown. Besides, I personally found more value in the new guns than I did with some of the map packs(B2K and AK). Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2013, 10:00:39 pm »

I would have been happy to pay for new guns and vehicles alone but maybe not 50 dollars or whatever it was. The maps...well you might save ten dollars with Premium but if we had better knows what was in the Premium package, we could have saved more money by choosing not to buy a couple of dlc packages. I know Armored Kill was crap any which way you cut it. Not paying for Premium or Armored Kill stand alone is $15 in your pocket and another 15 
if you didn't want B2K (Karkand is a pretty good map but the other ones really suck and Conquest Assault really sucks ass). Close Quarters is meh so might not have gotten that. The only two I liked were End Game and Aftermath.

If I were them, next time I'd sell guns/vehicles and maps packs separately.

I think the reason I gladly paid 50 dollars for Premium is because, coming from BC2 I felt they had really, really great maps. All their BC2 dlc's were pretty good so I actually had a historically based type of faith that they knew what they were doing and could make good content, even if the ragular game had some prety bad maps.

I was wrong though. Next time around I will not be buying BF4 off the bat and will be even more hesitant to buy any Premium package without knowing what is included in good detail.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2013, 10:06:45 pm »

I didn't give the game a chance really but from how ever many hours I played no idea, I would give it a 5/10.

I found it very boring honestly very slow paced conquest was garbage on that game imo. Tdm was pretty fun actually, I actually enjoyed that even though it had horrible spawns.

Alright hands down the worst single player fps that has ever existed it was **** terrible. I love fps story modes for some reason and I absolutely hated this one complete borefest.

Well I guess that's all I have lol 5/10  Cool
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2013, 10:35:39 pm »

I am not disappointed in premium.  When I got premium, I had a total of 50 hours of playing time in 9 months.  In the time since, I have put in another 225 hours and if it wasn't for close quarters, I'd probably not be playing at all.  Close quarters is what actually got me playing the game more.

I do agree, most of the maps/game modes I don't like very much. In fact now if you look at it, there are so many modes, it's almost impossible to figure them out.  The thing I like about TDM is that I don't get mad/frustrated at my team mates. When a quality team plays objective based games, it's a wipeout.  I say that coming from both sides; someone who understands team work and someone who doesn't know what the hell is going on.

I will say, I enjoy the bipod and sniping can be fun in the right maps on TDM. I like that there is lots of cover.

Something I don't  like is that all of the action on TDM seemed to happen in the same locations, everyone seemed to run to the same parts of the map. I think that's what makes conquest enjoyable, you are forced to battle in different locations.  The issue in BF3 is that sometimes there were 5 flags, 5 or 6 vehicles per team and only 12 players.  I had the same dislike for Atacama Desert and Heavy Metal. Too far apart for infantry, too long to run and if half of your squad was in vehicles, then your were out numbered by the others.

I'll add more as I think of it. Both good and bad.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2013, 11:55:08 pm »

Yes you could have saved money but if DICE stays true to their word about Premium being a one-time fee that carries over to future titles, then it's a great investment. Especially if I know I'm going to put time into the game. Premium for BF3 was a no-brainer for me because I knew I loved the game and would get all of the DLC to try the new maps and guns.

Maybe I'm biased because I primarily played CoD up until the end of BC2 when I finally swapped over to BF fully. I see the good in the game and how they put effort into their DLC...almost every single DLC CoD dropped usually has me deleting a week later because I hate every single map. Not to mention I always wonder if they were even on-disc beforehand....BF 2gb is a clear sign that you're actually paying for DLC and not getting a 84mb download unlock for stuff already on the disc.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2013, 11:56:16 am »

Yes you could have saved money but if DICE stays true to their word about Premium being a one-time fee that carries over to future titles,

Yeah, that's a big reason why I'm doubtful. I had that same faith that you just mentioned when I saw that BC2 was great and their DLC was just as high quality but for free.

"We don't ever want to charge for our maps and insisted to EA that this attitude was crucial when it came to keeping our community happy and playing together,"

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/241306/dice-well-never-charge-for-battlefield-maps/

I'm not exactly going to hold them to their word that Premium is a one time thing. It might turn out that it is but I'm not going to buy the next game and then find out.

But we've been going over this for a while. Not really an argument we're having but I feel like were just going to start reiterating ourselves unnecessarily. I do understand where you are coming from. You truly enjoyed most of what you got so in your eyes it was a pretty good investment, especially compared to similar services.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2013, 12:07:38 pm »

8.5 out of 10

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