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Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)

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Question: Are you planning on getting an Xbox One now that E3 is over?
Yes - 1 (5.6%)
No - 17 (94.4%)
Total Voters: 16

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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2013, 12:25:20 pm »

I don't like typing, and I'm leaving for the gym right now. I argued about it with my friends in the last podcast I just put up if you wanna listen.
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« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2013, 12:28:55 pm »

I'd rather have a two-way conversation.
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« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2013, 12:33:19 pm »

How about a three way  Azn
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« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2013, 01:31:05 pm »

Here are some bullet points from what DG said on Ep.7 of his LudoLingo podcast about it. Just from what I remember.

- If it doesn't affect him directly, he doesn't care about it. (We've seen this in the past)
- Most people have internet already so it wouldn't affect those people.
- If people in areas without a good internet connection would like to use the features, move to an area with good connections.
- Those complaining about the Xbox One don't like change.
- This change will eventually lower game prices. (I think he was talking digital download here)

Those were the points I remembered from it.

Also, I voted no because I wasn't going to get the new Xbox anyway. If I made a poll about the PS4 I would have voted no there too.
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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2013, 01:47:39 pm »

lmao you make it sound so bad, and like I'm an Xbox fanboy.

I was basically saying it has become such a bandwagon thing. I have NOTHING against what they're doing, because it will happen eventually anyways. Microsoft is smart about doing things first and planning ahead. About the bandwagon thing. There are people like me that like Sony, and tend to rip on Microsoft because they've been behind lately. I have my reasons for that. However, I have nothing against the DRM or the "always online" thing. The only thing that is odd is the sharing with friends thing. However, I still post anti-X1 gifs because they're funny. That's bandwagoning. I feel like there are thousands of people that are bashing the X1 even though once it's out and it's running and you see all the benefits, they probably wouldn't even care about these "negative" features. They just want to hate on it like everyone else. Sure, there are people that don't have access to good internet constantly that have a right to complain, but like Dom said, it's NOT FOR THEM. There's no rule saying it has to be marketed to everyone. They want people that can thrive in an always online community to buy the system. There are TONS of people complaining about this that probably are always connected to their gaming system anyways. That's just stupid.

Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has zero interest in buying the X1, and will fully support Sony if they continue to pour out quality exclusive after quality exclusive. That's why I like Sony. Not because of this stupid 'not always online' crap. That doesn't affect me.

Edit: Oh, and about how I said "it will happen eventually anyways" I am referring to how it is highly likely gaming will be fully digital, or at least extremely focused on digital gaming by next generation (if it exists). I feel like Microsoft is preparing themselves for that so they can say they were on board with the always online first. If demand rises for more bandwidth, supply will increase. Internet is spreading more and more all the time. Eventually, it is safe to assume that everywhere (for the most part) will have decent access to it.

Dem funny gifs tho

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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2013, 01:51:10 pm »

I never said or even tried to imply that you were an xbox fanboy.
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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2013, 01:55:17 pm »

I just read it in a weird tone, I guess.  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2013, 02:36:45 pm »

I was basically saying it has become such a bandwagon thing.

This does nothing to detract from the intent behind the outrage.

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I have NOTHING against what they're doing, because it will happen eventually anyways.

Wait, what?  That is awful logic.  Do you apply this to other things as well, or just for DRM?  "Oh, well the NSA was going to spy on us eventually so I don't hold it against the US government."

Come on DG, you know better than that.

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Microsoft is smart about doing things first and planning ahead.

You're going to have to name some specific things here.  Microsoft is a software company, and I can't think of anything innovative they've ever done.

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However, I have nothing against the DRM or the "always online" thing.

Which is what I want you to elaborate on.  I couldn't care less about this:

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However, I still post anti-X1 gifs because they're funny. That's bandwagoning. I feel like there are thousands of people that are bashing the X1 even though once it's out and it's running and you see all the benefits, they probably wouldn't even care about these "negative" features. They just want to hate on it like everyone else.

Bandwagoning happens, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the legitimacy of the complaints.  I feel like you're using that as an example of why the DRM isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be (i.e. why they're "overreacting"), but it couldn't possibly be any less related to that concern.  That would be like saying breast cancer isn't as bad as everyone is saying simply because everyone and their mother has a pink ribbon somewhere in their house/on their car.

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Sure, there are people that don't have access to good internet constantly that have a right to complain, but like Dom said, it's NOT FOR THEM. There's no rule saying it has to be marketed to everyone.

But apparently there is a rule that says these people shouldn't express their contempt for that policy?  They have every right to complain about a product that was marketed to them as gamers that they will not be able to use.

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They want people that can thrive in an always online community to buy the system. There are TONS of people complaining about this that probably are always connected to their gaming system anyways. That's just stupid.

Because it's the principle of the matter, not whether or not it directly effects them.  I'm pissed about the DRM policies even though I have a pretty constant internet connection because I don't want to see any other company thinking it's a good idea to follow suit.  I feel like this argument (which seems pretty well summed up by "It doesn't affect me so I don't care," as Krazy pointed out) is rather immature and selfish.


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Oh, and about how I said "it will happen eventually anyways" I am referring to how it is highly likely gaming will be fully digital, or at least extremely focused on digital gaming by next generation (if it exists). I feel like Microsoft is preparing themselves for that so they can say they were on board with the always online first. If demand rises for more bandwidth, supply will increase. Internet is spreading more and more all the time. Eventually, it is safe to assume that everywhere (for the most part) will have decent access to it.

And?  Either I'm failing to see your point or you don't have one.

The fact that most people have a constant internet connection does not give Microsoft the go-ahead for enforcing always-online DRM.  I don't see how you could possibly think it's okay for them to place restrictions on how you use a product that you bought independently of them.  As I'm sure you're aware, you don't have the ethical or moral right to do something simply because you have the means to.  And that's why this outrage is completely justified: Microsoft are attempting something that the gaming community is not okay with and sees as an ethical violation of principles that have been in place for decades.

I'm also curious as to why you didn't mention the Kinect being always on and always listening.  Is that the way of the future as well?  Are we going to laud Microsoft in the near future for being on the cutting edge of assisting government surveillance of the population?

I am honestly shocked that you have these opinions, DG.  I'm not sure if you hold them for the sake of being edgy or what, but I do know that if others think like you we gamers are going to be in a very shitty place in the not-too-distant future.


EDIT: I'm also curious to hear about what you think of the fact that most of the XBOne's television features won't be available to many people in the US and pretty much everyone outside the US.  Are those people overreacting that a console they buy at an inflated price won't perform a large chunk of the things that the US consumers can enjoy?  Are they not right to complain about that?
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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2013, 03:57:15 pm »

Also, people are heavily overreacting to X1. It's inevitable.
Nothing is inevitable. Fight the power.

Exactly!!! Lol. Actually I like them but I **** about having to unlock stuff that I've paid for
You're not quite unlocking, you're progressing.

I think the ideal way to solve this would be the nes way: Just include a secret cheat code in game for people to access all stages. That way, people who enjoy the progression and don't want to spoil themselves don't have to worry about that temptation

(and in a weird way, just having the option to skip to the end kinda hurts the dramatic feel of the game a bit. I kinda remember old games on the Snes where you actually had to wonder about what would come next, and it felt like a real adventure working your way up there. Of course now with the internet temptation is always present.)

and on the other hand people who want to see ahead just have to press a few buttons at the title screen to see ahead.

- Those complaining about the Xbox One don't like change.
You know, every single Mega Man villian has basically said this to the protagonist for objecting to his plan to kill all humans. Think about it.
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« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2013, 04:03:33 pm »

Damn, DG, major points loss from that opinion.  It's easy for a person like you that's had stuff handed to him to make those points of view, but what about people who actually want the system but can't financially sustain constant internet? Sure, MS may not have marketed them but it doesn't take thenfact away tjat they'll lose customers because they can't afford internet services.
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« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2013, 04:08:10 pm »

I have internet 24/7, but for a long ass time I had internet for like..3 out of 7 days? Yeah.
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« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2013, 04:09:36 pm »

also I somewhat agree with terminator about progression. that's why I hate COD, because I don't have enough time to put in like most of the people, so that means I'm at a disadvantage because I don't have all of the unlocks.  Gosh I just butchered that phrase.  Undecided
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« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2013, 04:11:05 pm »

I have internet 24/7, but for a long ass time I had internet for like..3 out of 7 days? Yeah.
exactly.  Or what if I go on a business trip and want to play in my hotel room that doesn't have wifi?  Welp, then im screwed.
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« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2013, 04:25:39 pm »

I think it's up to the developers to balance their games so that progression is rewarding without feeling like a huge time sink that prevents people with busy schedules from enjoying the game.
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« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2013, 04:35:43 pm »

Yup, that was a beautiful aspect of MoH; pick it up and shoot.  Pure skill was required.
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