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Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)

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Question: Are you planning on getting an Xbox One now that E3 is over?
Yes - 1 (5.6%)
No - 17 (94.4%)
Total Voters: 16

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« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2013, 04:46:45 pm »

Yup, that was a beautiful aspect of MoH; pick it up and shoot.  Pure skill was required.

Exactly. I have no problem with a cheat code. That gives me what I want, but there isn't always a cheat code or it isn't easy to do or remember or it's hard to find, etc. Anyway, I should have the option to unlock everything because I paid for the damn game. It could be as simple as "select this option to unlock all". If you don't want to unlock all because you want to progress then go for it...if you're too weak to control yourself then tough luck for you.
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« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2013, 05:02:38 pm »

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.   

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« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2013, 05:36:38 pm »

Yup, that was a beautiful aspect of MoH; pick it up and shoot.  Pure skill was required.

Exactly. I have no problem with a cheat code. That gives me what I want, but there isn't always a cheat code or it isn't easy to do or remember or it's hard to find, etc. Anyway, I should have the option to unlock everything because I paid for the damn game. It could be as simple as "select this option to unlock all". If you don't want to unlock all because you want to progress then go for it...if you're too weak to control yourself then tough luck for you.

Personally I would just put the cheat code on the developers website or in the instruction manual that comes with the game. I know it's silly, but the idea of a freely available stage select, showing all the plot twists and interesting stuff, is in some ways a nagging, immersion breaking detail that would annoy me both as a player and a developer.

I'm all for giving the consumer more options (even when the option to "look ahead" would actively hurt the experience of many games if used), which is why I think a compromise is best to preserve the aesthetic of gaming (which is based on rules), while still letting people do as they wish. An easily obtainable cheat code is the best option methinks.
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« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2013, 08:57:46 pm »

also I somewhat agree with terminator about progression. that's why I hate COD, because I don't have enough time to put in like most of the people, so that means I'm at a disadvantage because I don't have all of the unlocks.  Gosh I just butchered that phrase.  Undecided
I think that one fix for this could be by rewarding players with different weapons, but not necessarily better weapons.  For MW2, the best  SMG, LMG, ARs, and snipers were all available at the beginning, as well as Stopping Power.  I'm not saying the game was great, but you could do very well just hopping into the game for the first time.

I also like Halo for this reason, because it requires skill not based on the amount of time you've played.

For single player/RPGs, I really like the progression, but for online games, I think the playing field should always be even.  Gaining camos or titles is a good idea, because they are purely aesthetic, but don't affect gameplay.
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« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2013, 09:49:39 pm »

Any kind of competitive multiplayer game should NEVER have unlockables under any circumstances. Progression in such games is based on personal advancement alone, and any in game unlocks are just chores.
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« Reply #50 on: June 19, 2013, 12:09:39 am »

So let's say you start with all weapons and equipment/perks and whatnot.  Unlocking titles, emblems, and prestiges is bad in your opinion?  I can't say I'd agree.  I would be completely bored if it were not for the challenges in CoD.
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« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2013, 01:19:06 am »

Never said anything about titles. But really in a competitive game, titles are not an accurate reflection of the players skill anyway.
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« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2013, 07:24:23 am »

I would be completely bored if it were not for the challenges in CoD.

I never understood this point of view either. The most important thing to me when I play a game is winning. I can go 10-20 and still feel accomplished if I contributed in a meaningful way to the teams win. The challenge of winning is what makes a game fun for me. I also believe having to unlock everything is dumb. Give me all the weapons and attachments now and let me find the best suited tool for the specific moment. I want to find something that will help me win.
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« Reply #53 on: June 19, 2013, 11:48:00 am »

I was basically trying to play devil's advocate here, and trying to get people to calm down and not react so crazily before the thing is even out. That's silly. You all know I've been a big PS fan the past few years, it's not like I am trying to defend my pride and joy. It's just that from my perspective, most of the stuff isn't a big deal. Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them. If you're opposed, don't buy it. I know I won't be, but it's not for those reasons.

About the whole "spying" thing. That's funny.

I would say that I am neutral on the X1 right now, and I don't want to judge before it's out. I feel like Microsoft is preparing for the long run, whereas Sony is capitalizing on how people feel right now. We'll see how that turns out.

I don't necessarily support what MS is doing, I just understand it. The online connection thing can lead to a lot of great experiences for games. The whole sharing games with friends thing is weird, and I don't like that. Cutting used games out makes sense to me, though. Game developers deserve more money. Sadly, it's going to go the wrong way and straight to publishers, I assume.
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« Reply #54 on: June 19, 2013, 01:25:47 pm »

I was basically trying to play devil's advocate here, and trying to get people to calm down and not react so crazily before the thing is even out. That's silly.

Responding with disdain to a decision made by a major company that is not in the favor of its customers is not reacting crazily.  That sort of rhetoric is what I'm concerned about with your posts.  Stop trying to discredit peoples' concerns by claiming they're overreacting or reacting "crazily".  That is intellectually dishonest.  Instead, try defending Microsoft's decisions on the merits of those decisions, as that is the topic that should be discussed.

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You all know I've been a big PS fan the past few years, it's not like I am trying to defend my pride and joy. It's just that from my perspective, most of the stuff isn't a big deal.

It's not a big deal for you.  You've already made it perfectly clear that you don't care about anything unless it directly affects you, which to most everyone is a decidedly immature and narrow-minded viewpoint.  Let's not act like your apathy is the right response to this.

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Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them. If you're opposed, don't buy it. I know I won't be, but it's not for those reasons.

I'm not going to buy it, but that does not disallow me (or others) from criticizing their decisions or the console itself.  What makes you think otherwise is beyond me.

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About the whole "spying" thing. That's funny.

Oh, yeah, the "spying" thing.  Let's put quotes around it as if to infer that's not what it is.

DG, I gotta say, I'm learning a lot about you from your comments that I'm really surprised by.

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I would say that I am neutral on the X1 right now, and I don't want to judge before it's out. I feel like Microsoft is preparing for the long run, whereas Sony is capitalizing on how people feel right now. We'll see how that turns out.

Which is another case of Microsoft trying to tell customers what they want whereas Sony is giving customers what they've asked for.  This is, of course, irrelevant to the conversation.  Not sure why you keep bringing it up.

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"Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them." - DoubleGunz

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The online connection thing can lead to a lot of great experiences for games.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "can" introduces a hypothetical scenario, no?

"Will", however, states a fact, as in "You will not be able to play your games if you do not have an internet connection once per day."

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Cutting used games out makes sense to me, though. Game developers deserve more money. Sadly, it's going to go the wrong way and straight to publishers, I assume.

Why would you think cutting out used games makes developers more money?
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« Reply #55 on: June 19, 2013, 02:19:32 pm »

Less people buying more new games > more people buying more used games. People that buy used games a lot aren't really helping the industry, especially not the developers themselves. Profit is made on software, not hardware. People that just buy a system then barely buy any new games for it aren't supporting the industry. So... cutting those people out just leaves the people who buy new. People aren't actually going to just stop buying games for that. If you love gaming, you will continue doing so. All you have left are the tons of people who actually buy new games, and eventually that can lead to lowered prices of games in the long run anyways. Especially on the digital front.

People are way too concerned with silly things like being spied on. Jeeze, you walk down the street and there are tons of cameras looking at you. Oh no! Your life is over! Ads being directed towards you because the companies know what you like! Apocalypse!

I am speaking about how the X1 affects me. You can all say how the X1 affects you. That's cool, that's what a conversation is for. To discuss how it doesn't affect me, and apparently, it does affect you. That's what this is. I see no problem with it.

About what I said about Microsoft future proofing, the obvious example is how they required broadband internet for the 360, everyone went crazy about that at the time because it wasn't readily available to everyone. Similar situation here.

Microsoft has said that they have more to announce in the months to come before release, so wait for all the information to be laid out. They've been kind of quiet and behind-the-scenes with all the "negative" information they have to offer, they probably want to see what people think first and then deliver the final product later this year.

When I said "Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them." it was sarcasm. As in, good for them, who cares... let's see where that ends up putting them in the long run. It's too soon to judge.

What I have learned about people on the internet over the past month or so:

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People are way too entitled.
If something isn't marketed towards you, it's bad.
People like to complain(or in this case the fanboys of other companies - brag) about things that don't concern them.


What really ****es me off are the people like me that had no interest in buying the new Xbox anyways, and probably wouldn't be affected by the way the internet connection works on it, yet still bash it as if it's the worst thing ever and it's ruining their lives.

I don't even like the Xbox at all, yet I'm sitting here defending it solely because literally everyone is against it and the reasons (while for some are legitimate) are just silly for others that are just agreeing to fit in.

I agree 100% with the people upset about these things because they directly affect them. People that don't have access to the internet all the time have a right to be upset, but you can't just scream at Microsoft until they listen. They were obviously prepared for backlash from people that they aren't trying to sell the console to. If the way the X1 works doesn't work for you, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. Move on, buy a PS4, or stick with a 360/PS3. Hell, build a PC. Whatever you need to do to continue gaming. It's not like the entire industry is flipped on it's head right now and to play any games you MUST have internet at all times. This is blown out of proportion. There are still options for everyone.

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« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2013, 02:37:53 pm »

So let me get this straight; you're likening the complaints/criticisms of people toward MS as them being fanboys?  WTF?  So by your logic, if I think MC Donalds is dumb for starting to make crisscut fries over their traditional ones (that have worked marvelously for them) does that make me a fanboy of Burger King? Really!?! >_>

you're sounding more and more like an ignoramus everytime you post.
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« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2013, 02:49:36 pm »

I am getting the feeling you guys think I'm directing my issues at you. I'm not, the main people I am ****ed about are the ones that go on Facebook, twitter, wherever and say things like "haha Xbox DONE has DRM lol it is **** #PS4" There are tons and tons of people saying things like that, if not even stupider, every single day and I'm tired of it.
People that probably have no idea what they're even saying, yet they blindly just bash Microsoft because everyone is. Yuck.
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« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2013, 02:58:13 pm »

Less people buying more new games > more people buying more used games. People that buy used games a lot aren't really helping the industry, especially not the developers themselves. Profit is made on software, not hardware. People that just buy a system then barely buy any new games for it aren't supporting the industry. So... cutting those people out just leaves the people who buy new. People aren't actually going to just stop buying games for that. If you love gaming, you will continue doing so. All you have left are the tons of people who actually buy new games, and eventually that can lead to lowered prices of games in the long run anyways. Especially on the digital front.

This is pretty much exactly the same as "piracy kills [insert industry]'s profits!"  Which isn't true.  Guess what: If I buy a used game, it's because I would not pay full price for it.  There is no other reason to buy a used game, given the inherent risk of the disk being scratched up that comes with doing so.

If someone buys a used game, you can be pretty confident they wouldn't buy the game at full price anyway.

Conversely, sharing games with friends (which falls into the realm of used games, to me, as loaning a game to a friend does not directly give developers money) may entice the friends to buy the game for themselves, which would directly benefit the developers.

I don't see how you and others can seriously argue that used games hurt developers when the video game industry has grown massively in the past few decades, despite people sharing games, pirating games, and buying used games.

Not only that, but it's not like buying new games necessarily directly benefits the developers.  Publishers fund most AAA games, like your Maddens and CoDs and BFs and Mass Effects.  Sure, more sales probably results in publishers requesting development of more games like that, but it's not a given.

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People are way too concerned with silly things like being spied on. Jeeze, you walk down the street and there are tons of cameras looking at you. Oh no! Your life is over!

What the actual fuck, DG?  Are you trolling or something?  I'm speechless.  I can't believe you're serious about this.

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Ads being directed towards you because the companies know what you like! Apocalypse!

This has literally nothing to do with advertisements.  This is about Microsoft willingly giving data to an intelligence agency that undeniably spies on not only Americans, but also citizens of other countries (including Canada).  This is about Microsoft introducing a console that requires an internet connection and a voice-detection + video system into its console.

Get your head out of your ass.

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I am speaking about how the X1 affects me. You can all say how the X1 affects you. That's cool, that's what a conversation is for. To discuss how it doesn't affect me, and apparently, it does affect you. That's what this is. I see no problem with it.

Where did I say it affects me?  I have no clue where you got that from.

In fact, I've been saying the opposite: It doesn't affect me, as I have no intention of buying it, but I'm mature enough to understand that something can be wrong without it directly influencing me in any way.  How you seem to be unable to do the same is concerning, to say the least.

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About what I said about Microsoft future proofing, the obvious example is how they required broadband internet for the 360, everyone went crazy about that at the time because it wasn't readily available to everyone. Similar situation here.

Except they didn't "require" broadband internet for the 360 in the same sense.  They required it for online gaming, which is understandable, as that was a feature that you had to pay for on top of the console.  Nor is that particularly visionary or, as you called it, evidence of "future proofing".

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Microsoft has said that they have more to announce in the months to come before release, so wait for all the information to be laid out. They've been kind of quiet and behind-the-scenes with all the "negative" information they have to offer, they probably want to see what people think first and then deliver the final product later this year.

Not sure what world you live in, but they definitely haven't been quiet about the negative information.  That's why everyone's upset, if you weren't aware.

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When I said "Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them." it was sarcasm. As in, good for them, who cares... let's see where that ends up putting them in the long run. It's too soon to judge.

But the point is that people do care, a point which despite my best attempts you still seem to be missing.

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What I have learned about people on the internet over the past month or so:

Change is not allowed.
People are way too entitled.
If something isn't marketed towards you, it's bad.

Holy hell DG, here you go again by deliberately misrepresenting the legitimate complaints of others.  This is absolutely pathetic.

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People like to complain(or in this case the fanboys of other companies - brag) about things that don't concern them.

Are you saying that those of us in this topic who are criticizing the moves Microsoft has made are fanboys for Sony?  Fuck off with your strawmen arguments, dude.

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Ads being directed towards you because the companies know what you like! Apocalypse!

This has literally nothing to do with advertisements.  This is about Microsoft willingly giving data to an intelligence agency that undeniably spies on not only Americans, but also citizens of other countries (including Canada).  This is about Microsoft introducing a console that requires an internet connection and a voice-detection + video system into its console.

Get your head out of your ass.

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I am speaking about how the X1 affects me. You can all say how the X1 affects you. That's cool, that's what a conversation is for. To discuss how it doesn't affect me, and apparently, it does affect you. That's what this is. I see no problem with it.

Where did I say it affects me?  I have no clue where you got that from.

In fact, I've been saying the opposite: It doesn't affect me, as I have no intention of buying it, but I'm mature enough to understand that something can be wrong without it directly influencing me in any way.  How you seem to be unable to do the same is concerning, to say the least.

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About what I said about Microsoft future proofing, the obvious example is how they required broadband internet for the 360, everyone went crazy about that at the time because it wasn't readily available to everyone. Similar situation here.

Except they didn't "require" broadband internet for the 360 in the same sense.  They required it for online gaming, which is understandable, as that was a feature that you had to pay for on top of the console.  Nor is that particularly visionary or, as you called it, evidence of "future proofing".

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Microsoft has said that they have more to announce in the months to come before release, so wait for all the information to be laid out. They've been kind of quiet and behind-the-scenes with all the "negative" information they have to offer, they probably want to see what people think first and then deliver the final product later this year.

Not sure what world you live in, but they definitely haven't been quiet about the negative information.  That's why everyone's upset, if you weren't aware.

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When I said "Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them." it was sarcasm. As in, good for them, who cares... let's see where that ends up putting them in the long run. It's too soon to judge.

But the point is that people do care, a point which despite my best attempts you still seem to be missing.

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What I have learned about people on the internet over the past month or so:

Change is not allowed.
People are way too entitled.
If something isn't marketed towards you, it's bad.

Holy hell DG, here you go again by deliberately misrepresenting the legitimate complaints of others.  This is absolutely pathetic.

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People like to complain(or in this case the fanboys of other companies - brag) about things that don't concern them.

Are you saying that those of us in this topic who are criticizing the moves Microsoft has made are fanboys for Sony?  Fuck off with your strawmen arguments, dude.

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What really ****es me off are the people like me that had no interest in buying the new Xbox anyways, and probably wouldn't be affected by the way the internet connection works on it, yet still bash it as if it's the worst thing ever and it's ruining their lives.

Oh look, more exaggeration of the complaints people have made.

Microsoft has introduced terrible policies and people are mad about that and have every right to complain about it.  It represents a move by a major player in the games industry that people do not want to see happen with other companies, and they are being vocal about it.  Just because your opinion is that people shouldn't complain about things that don't hurt them directly does not mean that their complaints are not legitimate.

At this point I'm curious about your opinions on sex slavery and food shortages, because I don't see any reason to believe you have an empathetic inclination in your body.

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I don't even like the Xbox at all, yet I'm sitting here defending it solely because literally everyone is against it and the reasons (while for some are legitimate) are just silly for others that are just agreeing to fit in.

Then list the reasons you think the Xbox One's DRM isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is instead of continuing to avoid the god damn question.  I could not physically care less about your opinion of the people who are complaining.  What you think of them has nothing to do with the merits and faults of the XBOne.  Tell me why you think the XBOne's DRM is a good idea, not what you think of the people complaining about it.  Does that make it clear?

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I agree 100% with the people upset about these things because they directly affect them. People that don't have access to the internet all the time have a right to be upset, but you can't just scream at Microsoft until they listen.

Why?  Why can people not do that?  Why can people not tell a company what they want and what they don't want?

Please explain why you think this is the case.  I'm very, very curious.

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They were obviously prepared for backlash from people that they aren't trying to sell the console to. If the way the X1 works doesn't work for you, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. Move on, buy a PS4, or stick with a 360/PS3. Hell, build a PC. Whatever you need to do to continue gaming. It's not like the entire industry is flipped on it's head right now and to play any games you MUST have internet at all times. This is blown out of proportion. There are still options for everyone.

And you're still missing the point.  People are not disallowed from criticizing something due to the fact that it does not affect them directly.  I will not be buying the XBOne under any circumstances, but it does not make me any less eligible to voice my dislike of their new policies, because I recognize how bad they are for other people, a character trait you seem to have never learned.

People want to buy consoles from Microsoft because they want to play the exclusives on that platform.  To say that these people (who you claim Microsoft are not marketing to) have no basis to complain is an extremely shallow viewpoint and betrays a great deal of narrow thinking on your part.  They have every right to complain that a system that hosts content they want will not work for them simply because of deliberate actions on Microsoft's part, not due to uncontrollable circumstances.

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If you were grinning to me in person while saying some of the stuff you're saying, I'm pretty sure I'd be livid.
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« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2013, 03:04:12 pm »

To me this is just interesting to talk about. I also did not assume in any way that DG was an "Xbox fanboy." I just typed what I remembered.

I'd say most of the people complaining would be Xbox vets/fans followed by other console or PC fans. The main complaint is the 24 hr Online DRM checks for games and features followed by how they're handling used games.

Even though that wouldn't normally be a problem since 360 owners with Live Gold that play online constantly would be doing that for the One. There are those that don't play as much but also use Gold. Then there are those that just use it to play games offline and don't want to use the online features. The DRM check would affect the third one mentioned since they wouldn't be able to play their games at all. Then there are people from the first two sentences that travel. If there's no way to connect to the area they're in, they can't game for more than 24 hours. Unless they won't play that long.

I may just be repeating what has been said already. There is just one question waiting to be answered and keep in mind that I know about Xbox Live Silver. Would you need Gold for these 24 hour checks? I doubt it but would like an opinion on that question. Thinking about this now the TV features will only be available for the US and Canada I think. So the people in other contries that the Xbox One launches in without a connection would be buying a Blu-ray/Dvd player starting off.

The only real overreaction I've seen is that "gaming is ruined" because of what Microsoft is doing with their all-in-one entertainment system, the Xbox One when we have the alternatives of the Wii U, 3DS, PS4, Vita and PC out there.
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