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So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."

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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2013, 07:47:21 pm »

No need to be so literal, it's a state of mind.
It's not, it's a dumb definition used to exclude a hated fanbase from the collective club of "gamers". However you want to define "gamers", the fact remain that they are people who play games quite a bit.

If your logic has any kind of validity (which, I do not think it does), than the only thing that it proves is that "gamer", "casual", and "hard-core" are dumb terms. But than again, we knew that already for the latter two (gamer I guess is alright, I don't really like the term but it's alright).
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« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2013, 07:56:15 pm »

PS: Another problem with this is that you're trying to extrapolate someones "state of mind" from their gaming habits.

Unless someone comes out and explicitly says "I hate all video games except Call of Duty, and don't consider myself a gamer, or gaming to be my hobby" than you have no way of knowing what their "state of mind" is. Maybe they would want to play other stuff, but don't have enough free time. Maybe their trying to master this particular game and need to make sacrifices. Maybe they just don't have the money for other games.

If gaming is really a "state of mind" than trying to label someone based on observed behavior patterns is just absurdly presumptuous.

Also, as I said, you're putting a very biased and very subjective limit on the definition of "gamer". Tell me, just how much time do you have to spend before you're a "real gamer"? How many games do you have to play? How many different genres? How much money?

If you're going to put such arbitrary limits on being a gamer (to the point that you're not a gamer simply for playing a game a lot), than being a gamer becomes completely subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

I'm sorry if I can't let this go, but something about this whole concept (aside from what I've just said) strikes me as extremely fishy.
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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2013, 08:02:39 pm »

Plays a large number of games frequently = **** gamer
Plays a lot of Call of Duty = **** CoD player

Seems fair to me.
Doesn't seem fair to me at all. Call of Duty is still a video game. A Call of Duty player is still a player.

It should also be noted that there is nothing stopping this silly logic from being applied not just to particular games, but also to entire genres or systems.

"You only really play rpg's? You're not a real gamer. You're just an rpg fan."

"You only own a playstation console? You're not a real gamer. You're just a playstation fan."

"You only like multiplayer games? You're not a real gamer. You're just social."

etc. etc.

I actually agree with how Jabba and whoever else put it in that way. I also agree with what Dave said too. If you're into a game or series to the point where you play it all the time or it's the only game/series you play then I could see that person being a core "game or series" gamer for that but not in general.

Though I don't know or actually care enough to be in the whole casual/core discussion of things because I just see myself as a gamer.

The definition, whatever it is, seems kind of skewed. You could be a core gamer in the sense of playing a lot of games but also be labeled a casual gamer for certain game series or genres in general.

The "silly logic" you mentioned will probably only be used by stupid people just to start an argument about something that shouldn't even exist. Sure, this guy only plays RPGs but that still makes him a gamer. An RPG gamer but still a gamer. Same with the Playstation fan and the Multiplayer guy. It's just that most people usually only see people as a gamer if they play more than 2-3 games.

At least this isn't spreading into the iOS/Mobile territory.  Tongue

^This doesn't touch on Squire's last two messages as I was typing this when he posted those.
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« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2013, 08:04:44 pm »

This was typed out before the last 2 messages were posted.

I'm just fooling around. I don't really care what specific term is given to people, there's just something to be said about it.

Sarcasm and stupidity aside (every post I've made in this topic), I do have an actual opinion on this.

I just don't feel like these three people are the same:

1. Plays candy crush all day (Facebook game).
2. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 2-5 hours a week.
3. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 20+ hours a week.
4. Plays LoL/Dota/[insert MOBA here/[insert MMO here] for ___ hours a week.
5. Buys a game every few months, plays it over the course of a couple months then gets a new one.
6. Plays that one game that they love to death, and rarely plays anything else. Waits for the sequel, then moves on to that. (e.g. Pokemon, Dark Souls, etc.)
7. Plays obscure indie/PC games mostly, occasionally plays games they deem 'worthy' that are more mainstream.
8. Plays old-school stuff, doesn't care for new stuff. Still plays SNES.
9. Plays a variety of games of all genres, likes to be up to date in current gaming trends/discussions.

Those archtypes pretty much cover all types of 'gamer'. The thing is, some of those people are drastically different from one another. I like to at least be able to separate myself from let's say #1/2/3/7/8.

It's just silly to put one label over all of those people and claim they're all 'equally gamers'. No.

I don't really care if you think I'm being entitled or whatever, but I take pride in the fact that I know what's up. Gaming is what I care about.

Meeting people - especially IRL - and hearing this has gotten old:

"Oh hey, you like PS3? You getting that new Battlefield/CoD? Looks siiiick right?"

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I don't necessarily like the words h a r d c o r e/casual, but there seems to be no other accepted terms at this point. Like I said, just grouping everyone together is silly.

Oh, I forgot to add to that quote. This one is worse.

"Oh hey, you play PS3? That new Battlefield/CoD looks siiick right? Huh? The Last of Us.. never heard of it. Battlefield looks siiick tho man."
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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2013, 08:13:00 pm »

Off-Topic:

Is the editing problem recent in the case of being able to edit your posts before but not anymore or is it just for that specific post? Just noticing since it's happened 3 times now.
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« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2013, 08:15:01 pm »

I think it's this board. I couldn't post this topic without making it a poll. :/
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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2013, 10:15:43 pm »

This was typed out before the last 2 messages were posted.

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I understand your concern, but I feel the word "gamer" is just too broad and shouldn't be narrowed down to a specific minority of people. Especially one like "oh your dedicated to this game so your not a gamer" which are really pushing it.

I personally don't even understand why people like to classify themselves as "gamers". Nobody really talks about "couch potatoes", "moviegoers", or "readers" except in a very vague way that's not meant to encompass any specific group, so I don't see why people who enjoy video games as a hobby have to make a big deal ensuring that everyone knows that they belong to a specific group of "gamers", and making sure that this group and its stipulations are clearly defined compared to more/less niche tastes and game demographics. Games are just another form of art/entertainment to me, so I don't see why they should be treated too different from other mediums.
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« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2013, 06:16:28 am »

This was typed out before the last 2 messages were posted.

I'm just fooling around. I don't really care what specific term is given to people, there's just something to be said about it.

Sarcasm and stupidity aside (every post I've made in this topic), I do have an actual opinion on this.

I just don't feel like these three people are the same:

1. Plays candy crush all day (Facebook game).
2. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 2-5 hours a week.
3. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 20+ hours a week.
4. Plays LoL/Dota/[insert MOBA here/[insert MMO here] for ___ hours a week.
5. Buys a game every few months, plays it over the course of a couple months then gets a new one.
6. Plays that one game that they love to death, and rarely plays anything else. Waits for the sequel, then moves on to that. (e.g. Pokemon, Dark Souls, etc.)
7. Plays obscure indie/PC games mostly, occasionally plays games they deem 'worthy' that are more mainstream.
8. Plays old-school stuff, doesn't care for new stuff. Still plays SNES.
9. Plays a variety of games of all genres, likes to be up to date in current gaming trends/discussions.

Those archtypes pretty much cover all types of 'gamer'. The thing is, some of those people are drastically different from one another. I like to at least be able to separate myself from let's say #1/2/3/7/8.

It's just silly to put one label over all of those people and claim they're all 'equally gamers'. No.

I don't really care if you think I'm being entitled or whatever, but I take pride in the fact that I know what's up. Gaming is what I care about.

Meeting people - especially IRL - and hearing this has gotten old:

"Oh hey, you like PS3? You getting that new Battlefield/CoD? Looks siiiick right?"

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^ That is exactly where these terms come from and why they exist. They were invented by people that want to obtain some sort of "status" because they lack the reassurance elsewhere in their lives...possibly due to focusing most of their time on games. Maybe these people could achieve "status" in other areas, but just don't put the time into it or maybe gaming is all they've got. Whatever the case, they feel the need to separate themselves from the masses and the only way to do that is through labels because we can't all be Professional gamers and differentiate that way. Labels exist in many parts of our society and they typically result in building barriers and resentment. I get it, most people want to be the 1%...right? or "celebrities" or whatever floats your boat. Keep in mind that labels have been used extensively to make people feel terrible about themselves, what they are, or who they are. I could draw more drastic parallels, but I think that's good enough for now.
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« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2013, 10:10:01 am »

I take pride in the fact that I know what's up. Gaming is what I care about.

Again, ^ games and the gaming industry are what I care about. Some people go out of their way to do nothing but support a sports team, some people make pots all day, some people probably really enjoy selling Tupperware. There's nothing wrong with that. No reason to try and put a negative spin on it.
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« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2013, 03:07:34 pm »

Regardless, whatever labels you want to make up, calling someone not a gamer because they dedicate themselves to one game is dumb. And I'm sticking by that.
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« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2013, 03:24:41 pm »

Well yeah, that is silly I agree. I think the term casual gamer can apply to a bunch of people, but the term harco.re is kind of silly. Maybe gaming enthusiast? A way of putting it that doesn't come off arrogantly.

The thing is, people label themselves hardco.re for many different things. Like sports, people call themselves a 'hardco.re ____ fan'. It doesn't sound off there.
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« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2013, 03:26:16 pm »

Well yeah, that is silly I agree. I think the term casual gamer can apply to a bunch of people, but the term harco.re is kind of silly. Maybe gaming enthusiast? A way of putting it that doesn't come off arrogantly.

The thing is, people label themselves hardco.re for many different things. Like sports, people call themselves a 'hardco.re ____ fan'. It doesn't sound off there.

"I'm totally a hardco.re Red Wings fan, I've gone to every playoff game they've been in for the past 10 years, got all their jerseys, etc". Them claiming they're hc sounds perfectly normal. Why is it different with games? (I'm just continuing discussion, not necessarily supporting what I'm saying.)
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« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2013, 04:19:21 pm »

Just wanted to throw something in here real quick since this is a pretty good discussion. A "Gamer" would be defined as someone that plays Video Games, right? If a person played one Video Game, would that person fall under that definition?

I think "Gamer" is just short for "Video Game Player".
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« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2013, 04:57:10 pm »

Well obviously by definition, yes. The thing I tend to ask is if they're a "real" gamer. Do they care about the gaming industry? Do they support their favourite developers? Are they dedicated enough to know what's coming out and when? To me that's what being a "true" gamer is. The name given doesn't really matter. Simply sitting down and playing CoD for anywhere from 20 min a day to 5 hours a day, just because "it's sick", not having a clue who IW/Activision is, why Xbox gets maps first, etc.


Edit: I meant to say that what I refer to at the end is someone who is completely different than me. Simply applying "gamer" to both of us, while true, is a really general statement. There always needs to be more specific terms to divide people.

We're all human, that doesn't mean that's the only way to describe everyone.
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