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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2013, 05:19:29 pm » |
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Entertainment based individuals are worth their salary, otherwise people wouldn't pay to see the games.
Just like the brilliant actors of reality shows. I realize the reason they're overpaid is that they bring in so much money, but it's morally ****ed up. It's not. It's basic economics.
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2013, 04:43:22 pm » |
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Then they shouldn't complain about getting hurt. It's part of that profession. What's next? Soon boxers will be complaining about concussions.
They can always get a non-contact job like everyone else.
If a welder burns his hand while working, is that the fault of the employer for not providing enough training and supervision or the fault of the employee? Who's liable for damages?
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2013, 05:40:30 pm » |
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The big thing with the whole issue is the NFLs blatant lies about saying the game is safe and concussions aren't an issue. Remember, the league didn't even recognize CTE or any issue with concussions until about 5 years ago. I don't agree with current players complaining about the league's safety and concussions since now the research and data is out there, but former players in my book have every right to compensatory damages from the league. The NFL flat out lied to players up until 5 years ago, even going so far as sending out pamphlets to all players saying concussions were a non-issue to their health AFTER the whole CTE issue started popping up. The league absolutely should have been doing prior studies on players after they retire to see how they were affected by concussions sustained through the years, especially with their brazen claims of the league being completely safe. Hell, when they finally did start studying concussions in the Tagliabue era, the committee they formed didn't even have a specialist in neurology **** head the committee, it was goddamn rheumatologist.
tl;dr current players have the data telling them how this will **** them up, so they have no right to claims. Former players have every right to claims against the league because of negligence and lies by the league.
If you havent, go watch the Frontline documentary League of Denial.
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2013, 11:59:55 am » |
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How can a player prove that any bodily damage was caused solely by their play in the NFL? What if the majority of damage occurred while they were in college? If a welder burns his hand while working, is that the fault of the employer for not providing enough training and supervision or the fault of the employee? Who's liable for damages?
If the 'professional' welder gets hurt, it's likely do to actions within his control. As such, he, and his union, are responsible for any compensation or treatment beyond what is normally provided for by his team (company).
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2013, 01:40:55 pm » |
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You haven't dealt with a ton of HR cases. People win these things 9/10.
I've dealt with many HR issues during 16 years of running a business. That doesn't relate at all to professional sports. Not even close. Does a BMXer get workman's comp from his/her sponsors when they get hurt? Should they?
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2013, 01:57:43 pm » |
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Apples to oranges. Sponsors are paying for brand advertisement. Unless the rider gets hurt doing a trick for a marketing campaign, they aren't liable.
NFL players aren't working on sponsorships.
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2013, 02:08:37 pm » |
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It's about as relevant as your comparison of a professional athlete to a welder.
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2013, 02:11:30 pm » |
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Not really. Sponsorship deals are completely different than contract deals. There aren't many things like sponsorship deals in terms of business.
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2013, 03:23:34 pm » |
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Professional athletes aren't like traditional wage earners.
Part of the job of an NFL player, unless you're a kicker, is to hit people and get hit (tackled/blocked/etc). Part of a welder's job isn't to injure his hand.
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2013, 04:02:31 pm » |
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Getting hit and suffering life threatening injuries are very different things. Everyone expects some sort of injuries, but I don't think anyone is expecting to not remember who they are.
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2013, 04:40:12 pm » |
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Getting hit by 300 lbs muscular men and not expecting there will be consequences to your health is asinine. Money is a powerful motivator, and there's no shortage of that, and idiots who will take it, in the NFL.
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2013, 04:53:42 pm » |
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Whether or not it's asinine, if a players life is being threatened and there's no documentation outlining the risks, is the NFL not at fault?
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2013, 05:12:03 pm » |
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NFL players need documentation outlining why hitting and being hit by a 250+ freak of nature is hazardous to their health? Are you claiming that the NFL 'hid' this fact from them?
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