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LOL term at thinking my feelings are hurt. Quite the contrary. I think it is funny that you still think you are right and think that your jokes accomplish some purpose. As to the discussion, you showing me a perceived contradiction is not providing proof or counter arguments to my argument. Learn to argue please. Also, you saying you disagree with my counter argument is also not stating an argument but a position. Once again, please learn to argue. You have yet to attempt to REFUTE my counter argument with any sort of rebuttal.
And to DDD, you are now demonstrating you do not understand what we are talking about so please butt out (although terms understanding of the same issues is much like yours which is why he refuses to accept the fact that there is no contradiction). Your logic example is horribly flawed. You posed an argument for the fact that my two statements are facially contradictory. I have already conceded that fact. However you seem to not grasp that in logic, facially contradictory and actual contradiction are two different things. If you take a litteral, non-contextual look at the two statements, they would appear to be contradicitons. However, in the area of genetics, the two statements are actually not contradictory at all. That is why it is necessary to apply genetics to the discussion in order to take a position. You have refused to do so, so your position is invalid. Once the specifics of genetics are applied, you can see there is no contradiction. In genetics, a particular condition can be "in our genes" (or "genetic") without there being a specific gene (or location on the genome) for that particular trait or condition. Refusal to acknowledge this fact is precisely why you and term insist you are correct when you are not. Further, I said "there is no sexual orientation gene". This is a basic and true statement. Then I proceeded to say that HETEROSEXUALITY is in our genes. Notice I did not say sexual orientation is in our genes. That would be more of a contradictory statement. But I didn't say that. In my beliefs, homosexuality is a choice and is not genetic. However, I believe heterosexuality is natural to the human condition. So I don't view it as a sexual orientation, but rather simply "sexuality". Homosexuality is a deviation from true sexuality. And as such, my statements are not actually contradictory, although they are on their faces.
So given that, you simply cannot take a side in this without naturally also including the genetics issue. And you cannot limit your position to a simple look at the words themselves as contradictory, but you must look at the concepts the words represent. Any logic teacher would have explained that to you if you actually had taken a logic course.
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