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« Reply #315 on: December 10, 2010, 05:45:59 pm »

Please provide some proof that just because heterosexuality is inborn that that somehow means homosexuality is too.  What makes you think it must be?  I believe homosexuality is a choice.  It is very different from heterosexuality which is natural to humans.  There is absolutely nothing inherent in the notions of heterosexuality and homosexualiy that means they must exist together.  They are mutually exclusive concepts.  You continue to attack my logic, but it is your logic that is flawed.  You make the assumption that heterosexuality and homosexuality must have the same source.  Why?  Please explain.
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« Reply #316 on: December 10, 2010, 05:57:33 pm »

If a mutation in the genes can cause heterosexuality, a mutation in the genes can cause homosexuality. If the cause of heterosexuality is in the genes, it means there has to be a gene for it or it must have been derived or mutated from another gene. This means that a gene can also mutate and cause homosexuality. Sure, some people probably choose to be kechua but a mutation is possible if the original cause of heterosexuality is actually in your genes. Heterosexuality might be the common mutation, which is why you believe it is natural.

I'm not saying heterosexuality is derived from the genes or that it is not but if heterosexuality is in fact from the genes, homosexuality has a very, very good chance of being from the genes as well.
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« Reply #317 on: December 10, 2010, 06:09:49 pm »

If a mutation in the genes can cause heterosexuality, a mutation in the genes can cause homosexuality.

First, I never said homosexuality is caused by a mutation.  Where is that coming from?  Second, your statement is logically flawed.  Once again, why do you assume homosexuality and heterosexuality are the same?  And are from the same source?  Do you just have trouble since both have to do with sexuality?  Because there is no reason that they must be the same.

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If the cause of heterosexuality is in the genes, it means there has to be a gene for it or it must have been derived or mutated from another gene.

Not true.  There are genes for human sexuality, i.e. male and female, correct?  Sex drive is an instinctie urge right?  Yet there is no gene for sex drive, but for sex hormones.  So while there is no gene for sexuality, there are many genes related to it.  You are still making the error Term kept making by not understanding that there is more to genetics than simply which genes we have (and which genes mutate). 

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This means that a gene can also mutate and cause homosexuality.

Again you are assuming quite a bit about sexuality.  You simply cannot assume that homosexuality has the same source as heterosexuality.  So why must this be true?  You keep stating this as fact, and when I ask for evience to support it, you just restate it as fact again.  THAT my friend is bad logic.  You can't support your conclusion WITH your conclusion.  Logic 101.

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Sure, some people probably choose to be kechua but a mutation is possible if the original cause of heterosexuality is actually in your genes. Heterosexuality might be the common mutation, which is why you believe it is natural.

Nice theory, too bad it is not supported by science.  They have been studying homosexuality for decades and there is no evidence whatsoever that homosexuality is a mutation.  You can't just make stuff up here.

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I'm not saying heterosexuality is derived from the genes or that it is not but if heterosexuality is in fact from the genes, homosexuality has a very, very good chance of being from the genes as well.

Why?  Again, what makes you think so.  I keep asking this and you have no answer.  Just stop and think for a second.  There is really no reason why one must be dependent on the other.  Especially if they are unrelated, as I suggest.
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« Reply #318 on: December 10, 2010, 06:36:58 pm »

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First, I never said homosexuality is caused by a mutation.  Where is that coming from?  Second, your statement is logically flawed.  Once again, why do you assume homosexuality and heterosexuality are the same?  And are from the same source?  Do you just have trouble since both have to do with sexuality?  Because there is no reason that they must be the same.

I never accused you of saying homosexuality is caused by mutation but sexual orientation in general is either derived from a mutation of a gene or a gene exists itself. If a gene doesn't exist, it must be a mutation of a certain gene that gives us the desire to be interested in Men or Women. If a mutation of a gene causes heterosexuality, it means homosexuality can come from the same source as they are both sexual orientations.

The problem with you is you only accept heterosexuality as sexual orientation. That's wrong. There are more than one options when sexual orientation is decided. Since there are many options, they must come from the same place. Since homosexuality and heterosexuality are both sexual orientations, they are derived from the same place, whether that is the mind, or the genes but where one comes from, the other does as well.

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Sex drive is an instinctie urge right?  Yet there is no gene for sex drive, but for sex hormones. So while there is no gene for sexuality, there are many genes related to it.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/11/021118070025.htm

This article should explain that you are wrong here.

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  You simply cannot assume that homosexuality has the same source as heterosexuality.  So why must this be true?  You keep stating this as fact, and when I ask for evience to support it, you just restate it as fact again.  THAT my friend is bad logic.  You can't support your conclusion WITH your conclusion.  Logic 101.

Premise 1: Sexual orientation includes heterosexuality and homosexuality.
Premise 2: Heterosexuality can be derived from the genes.
Conclusion: Homosexuality can be derived from the genes.

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Nice theory, too bad it is not supported by science.  They have been studying homosexuality for decades and there is no evidence whatsoever that homosexuality is a mutation.  You can't just make stuff up here.
 

There is also no evidence that heterosexuality is in the genes. You believe it's nature, but we all know that what someone believes means nothing...

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Why?  Again, what makes you think so.  I keep asking this and you have no answer.  Just stop and think for a second.  There is really no reason why one must be dependent on the other.  Especially if they are unrelated, as I suggest.

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« Reply #319 on: December 10, 2010, 08:27:36 pm »

Okay, let me break it down for you guys. Geneticists have proven that there is in fact, NO kechua GENE. Given that fact, we can deduce that sexual orientation is NOT genetic bt is in fact influenced by societal/ environmental factors. Smiley

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« Reply #320 on: December 10, 2010, 08:46:34 pm »

Okay, let me break it down for you guys. Geneticists have proven that there is in fact, NO kechua GENE. Given that fact, we can deduce that sexual orientation is NOT genetic bt is in fact influenced by societal/ environmental factors. Smiley

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This is exactly what Ohio stated and then he went on to state that even though heterosexuality isn't genetic, it's in the genes because we naturally need a woman and man to procreate.

@Ohio, I never stated that homosexuality was genetic. I never stated that heterosexuality was genetic. I haven't re-read my posts in the last hour but I don't remember making any statements about nature vs nurture. I was just asking you questions. This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic. Then you stated that heterosexuality was in the genes. Definite contradiction. You were purposely trying to lead the reader to believe that heterosexuality (even though you stated it wasn't genetic) was more genetic than homosexuality, which supports your beliefs because you don't like homosexuality. Then you tried to back it up by deducing that heterosexuality was more genetic because you need a man and woman to procreate. One has nothing to do with the other. Therefore, your deductive reasoning is flawed, which means your statement about "in the genes" can only mean that it is genetic. That's what my deductive reasoning joke was showing you. Just because you don't have a dog it doesn't mean you are kechua.

So, since your logic is flawed (which I pointed out before) your contention that "in the genes" is not the same as genetic is incorrect. You have no valid logic to back up your argument. That's why the contradiction still exists. Feel free to provide valid logic and stating your beliefs is not valid either.
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« Reply #321 on: December 10, 2010, 09:00:47 pm »

After reading some of this I came to realize something very important.  If Terminator and Ohio met up in real life, they would fight each other until they are both badly injured.  This would probably happen in a back alley or behind a bar.  After slugging each other for a few minutes, they both rest for a bit, panting and looking angrily into each other's eyes.

Then, out of nowhere, they begin to passionately make love to each other because they're both flaming homosexuals and out of no where Kreater comes in as a third man just because he can't help sticking it in the bum.
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« Reply #322 on: December 10, 2010, 09:30:37 pm »

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« Reply #323 on: December 10, 2010, 10:19:52 pm »

I've already stuck Term in the bum.


...But then again, I thought he was she. O_o
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« Reply #324 on: December 11, 2010, 03:00:01 am »

What happened to the butthurt fighting? :/
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« Reply #325 on: December 11, 2010, 03:08:50 pm »

This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic.

and this is why this has lasted this long.  Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic.  I said there was no sexual orientation gene.  Big difference.  No wonder you continue to argue, becuase you completely missed what I said.
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« Reply #326 on: December 11, 2010, 03:11:01 pm »

^Correctamundo.


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« Reply #327 on: December 11, 2010, 04:59:09 pm »

This whole conversation started because YOU stated that sexual orientation (homo- and hetero-sexuality) was not genetic.

and this is why this has lasted this long.  Because I NEVER said sexual orientation (hom- and hetero-sexuaity) was not genetic.  I said there was no sexual orientation gene.  Big difference.  No wonder you continue to argue, becuase you completely missed what I said.

LOL you are clueless man.  I stated male and female is genetic.  Do you deny that?  I sure hope not, it is called an x and y chromosome.  Since my argument that heterosexuality is the natural way, then there is no contradiction.  You make me laugh at your inability to reason this out.  I make the statement that there is no sexual orientation gene (and there is not) therefore homosexuality is not genetic.  Then you question whether or not heterosexuality is genetic.  I state that it is not, but that those things that show heterosexuality as natural/biological CAN be found in our genes.  Then now you are all confused thinking there is a contradiction when there is not.  I still contend that there is no gene for sexual orientation.  I also contend that heterosexuality is natural and biological.  I also contend that our makeup of male and female IS genetic.  There is no contradiction there.  Sorry you can't read.


And then to address you point on Leviticus 20.  I will give you a pass since you yourself stated you know very little about the bible.  But the book of leviticus is a book of law given by God, to the nation of Israel.  It is the establishment of national law.  Nowhere is leviticus 20 purporting that God is to carry out those punishments.  Those are laws given to the government of the nation to carry out.  Much like America's death penalty.  Those laws are for our system to carry out accordingly.  Not any individual, and not God.  God stated many times in the bible that vengeance belongs to him and that he is longsuffering with sin until the day of judgment.  None of the declarations of death penalty in the hebrew law were ever to be carried out by God in this life.  They were for establishing law and order within the nation of Israel.  God's judgment comes later.

um, right. Try again maybe.....This is just one example. Ready to agree on the contradiction yet?


^Correctamundo.


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« Reply #328 on: December 11, 2010, 08:40:50 pm »

Term, I find it funny that you think I'm unintelligent because--wait, what was your reason again?

You have a major respect problem, man. All I have to say is, if all you have to say to me is an insult, it'd behoove you to stay quiet. Afro
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« Reply #329 on: December 12, 2010, 05:38:16 am »

Term, I find it funny that you think I'm unintelligent because--wait, what was your reason again?

You have a major respect problem, man. All I have to say is, if all you have to say to me is an insult, it'd behoove you to stay quiet. Afro

This is how you entered the discussion retard:

Sorry, but again your example isn't the same thing. Compare apples to apples dummy. I don't expect a valid analogy from a moron like you.

How so retard?  Explain how they are different or get your ingorant self out of here.  A moron like yourself simply saying there is a contradiction doesn't make it so.  I have bent over backwards to show you how basic logic and reasoning along with the scientific facts support my position that there is no contradiction.  Yet you are too stupid and/or hardheaded to accept it.  I even have now presented you with a perfect example that saying something is genetic =/= there being a gene for it.  And that very simply logical statement is PROOF positive that I didn't contradict myself.  You can attempt to say it is apples and oranges, but you are dead wrong.  The EXACT same principle applies to both scenarios.

So now put your small brain where your mouth is and make an attempt to back it up.  Explain to us all how my example of cancer and sexuality are different in concept.  Go ahead and try.  It is impossible.

I know I am arrogant and egotistical and love to argue.  Tell me something I don't know.  Regardless, that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.  The fact that you rely upon it to attempt to make your argument proves how weak your position is.  Instead of attacking me, try attacking my point.  Oh wait, you can't.  Nevermind.

Like I said, I altready pointed out that you contradicted yourself. I don't need to go there again, feel free to re-read the posts, but I expect the same result as you seem to be getting dumber with each post. Oh hey, that reminds me of a saying. You're dumb as a post  Afro

You've contradicted yourself and have not proven otherwise. You still haven't shown me your genetic research.

That's how stupid you are. The fact that you are arrogant, love to argue, and always think you are right has everything to do with this. See, you do suck at being a lawyer. It shows that no matter what the cirman-juicestances you will insist that you are right, so whether you have a logical argument or not, nobody will believe you because you are known to have those flaws. It's called character flaws. I would assume you know about character witnesses....being such a fantastic lawyer.
How dare you insult him. You need to have a little more respect for those who lead a more successful career. Don't be an ass hole.

You have no idea how successful I am (so you shouldn't make assumptions about my success compared to someone elses) and you called me an ass hole. I didn't even respond to your first attempt to insult me.

Sorry, but like I said, your previous actions on this site clearly show that you are an idiot and an ass hole. I could quote 4391 posts to show you, but your not worth it.

I don't have a respect problem at all. I know you do. I don't know how many posts you made about not respecting your parents. If you actually read this thread and could understand what was said then you would know who has the problem with respect.

I'm sure Ohio is thrilled beyond belief that you have come to his rescue with such advanced vocabulary.

Why don't you go back to your jail cell with your hot betch  Kiss
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