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Title: [MKWii] Choosing a bike and character Post by: JTRamboman on October 01, 2008, 08:14:26 am This was intended for competitive karters. If you're just racing for fun...choose whoever you like!
One thing before I begin. I realize that some of you are fond of your character choices. And you race quite well with them. However, you would be racing that much better if you listen to the suggestions. Can you own with Yoshi? Yes...but you would be doing even better with Daisy, Peach, or Mii. On to my wall o' text. Clearly, most people are going to prefer one of the Big 3: Bullet Bike, Mach Bike, or Flamerunner. That is fine...they are all great vehicles. However, I think some of you are making poor choices on your characters. If you are using one of the Big 3, the only character stats that matter are Speed, Acceleration, and Mini-Turbo. Your bike can take any turn in the game fine, so drift bonuses are irrelevant and in fact hinder your ability to charge MTs. Handling (which is turning without drift) is useless. Small bonuses in weight do not make a difference. And your offroad is so poor already that any gain via character bonus is also moot. So when we analyze what character to choose we only focus on 3 stats. Overall, Speed is still the most important stat because good racers will spend most of their time at top speed. I have placed * next to characters that I recommend you use. If a character is not listed, then you have no business even considering using them. Bullet Bike B Luigi: +5 Speed B Peach: +3 Speed, +3 Acc *B Daisy: +5 Speed, +3 MT Toad: +6 Acc Toadette: +3 Speed Koopa: +6 MT Bones: +3 Acc, +6 MT Mii: +3 Speed, +3 MT -Bullet Bike users have the most viable characters at your disposal. As much as it pains me to say it though, B Daisy is cleary the best character. I despise her, but in competive racing you need every edge you can get and her stat bonuses are superior. Mach Bike *Peach: +2 Speed, +5 Acc *Daisy: +4 Speed, +3 MT Birdo: +5 MT Diddy: +3 Acc, +5 MT *Mii: +3 Speed, +3 MT -Once again, Daisy is the superior character. But Peach and Mii are close enough for recomendations as well. Notice that Yoshi and Luigi are not listed. For a reason Flamerunner Wario: +6 MT Waluigi: +6 Acc *Rosalina: +3 Speed, +3 MT *Funky: +4 Speed Dry B: +6 MT Mii: +3 Speed, +3 Acc -The importance of acceleration is diminished with the Flamerunner because you should always be using the standing MT when you are item'd. That is why Mii does not get a rec. The only other bikes that are viable in this game are the Magikruiser, Dolphin Dasher, and Sneakster. Kruiser and DD can both charge MT offroad which allows them to use many forced shortcuts. If anyone is interested in learning these shortcuts let me know. Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: Crzy on October 01, 2008, 08:28:47 am In your videos I seen you doing the standing MT, can you do that with the Mach Bike? And if so, how? O_o I assume it's pressing and holding B+A(on GC controller).
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: JTRamboman on October 01, 2008, 08:40:08 am Yes, you can do a standing mini-turbo with any vehicle, karts included. It is useful if your vehicle has poor acceleration. I don't use a game cube controller, but pressing gas and brake at the same time is how you activate it. When you see the blue flame, release the brake. You always want to use a standing MT when using the Flamerunner. You want to use a standing MT using the mach with every character except Peach. If you are using Peach/Mach your acceleration is good enough that is up to you whether to use a standing MT. If you are using the Bullet Bike, standing MT's are not necessary.
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: cng on October 01, 2008, 09:46:41 am Standing MT is essential for online play (especially if you're turned the wrong way) but it's not a hard rule to use it everytime you get itemed.
Peach+Mach Bike:- If you get itemed just before a jump (i.e. a jump over a small crack at Grumble Volcano), you would want to do a standing MT to get over it. However, if you get itemed in a bottle neck area with fall potential (i.e. the wooden bridge at DK Mountain), you would want to get up and go (with no wheelie though) because you don't want to get knocked over by passing players while standing still. Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: OhioLawyer on October 01, 2008, 11:34:55 am yeah i still use standing MT with peach/mach bike when I get blasted and come to a complete stop. I guess not always, but just about.
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: JTRamboman on October 01, 2008, 11:59:10 am Does F5 have a competitive MKWii division?
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: OhioLawyer on October 01, 2008, 12:03:37 pm no not right now. We had one back near launch, but most of our members were brawlers and they let it die out. Right now, there are several non-brawlers who have taken to the game (including myself) and play it regularly together. But we still don't have a division so we invite anyone who wants to play to join us.
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: JTRamboman on October 01, 2008, 12:47:18 pm I'd love to race with you!
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: OhioLawyer on October 01, 2008, 12:50:20 pm well I just talked with cng and we will probably post here about our almost nightly games so check back often, we'd love to have you.
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: Seth on October 01, 2008, 03:35:09 pm Daisy and Mach Bike ftw!
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: Bubbuz on October 01, 2008, 05:17:03 pm Thank you for posting this here, JTR.
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: Old Baw on October 01, 2008, 07:02:35 pm Wow JTR you're a big help in this section, you sure know you're Mario Kart. You guys should challenge TKO some time.
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: DoubleGunz on October 01, 2008, 08:30:50 pm Oh my, not this crap again. I don't know who "discovered" this, but it's simply not true, I use Luigi and Daisy both with the Mach Bike, just because they are my favourite characters. I actually tend to do better with Luigi. There is honestly no truth to stats among each individual character. It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: JTRamboman on October 01, 2008, 08:41:51 pm Well actually it was compiled by measuring the statistic bars that the game itself gives you. For example...if you pick Bowser Jr on the Mach Bike and concentrate on how long the speed bar is and then pick Daisy on the Mach Bike you will notice that the speed bar is longer for Daisy. That is how all the stats were compiled. The person who created the statistics which I use just assigned numerical increments to the attributes the game shows you. So it is accurate. Now, you may not notice a difference while you are racing because the character boosts are relatively small. But they do exist, and they do make a difference. Try some time trials with luigi, and then try them with Daisy. Your Daisy times will be faster.
As I said, at the beginning of the post...if you truly like a character and aren't worried about small stat differences, then just go with who you like. But the stat differences do exist, and are useful if you are interested in maximizing your speed. Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: DoubleGunz on October 01, 2008, 09:04:19 pm Well, I guess that's proof enough, but I still don't buy it, mainly because it's not something Mario Kart would have. Plus, if it's not there enough for you to notice it, it's not there at all. I have always loved Luigi, he's always been my favourite character. Daisy has turned into my second favourite over the years. I love using both of them in all the Mario games, and in this one it is no different. It has nothing to do with the hidden "stats". It's all about what I prefer, and I know that's what you just said, :D.
I'm just forced to not beleive the stuff I am not too sure about, and I never will be. I don't want to start an argument, I just wanted to express my feelings on this subject. It's always bothered me. Thank you. 8) Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: OhioLawyer on October 02, 2008, 11:48:41 am Well I am going to have to go with JTR on this one. I don't see how it can be denied that the different characters effect the stats of the bike because they are shown on the screen when selecting a bike. The bars adjust according to the riders. That much is undeniable. How much it truly effects your racing is another issue because in a race with others, there are way to many other factors effecting the outcome of a race. But these small bonuses can be shown in TT where perfect lines are taken through the course. For instance, yoshi's off road bonus won't do much good if you never go off road. Yet in a GP or VS race, you may find yourself off road so yoshi may work for you in that instance, but the combos that have been chosen are generally chosen for speed and drift and MT. That is because in a perfect race or a TT scenario they are better. You can never predict what will happen in a MK race, but speed and drift and MT will give you the best shot to get out front and stay there without considering items. And since items are unpredictable it is best to just put yourself in that best position and let the item game play out. However, as JT said, these bonus are very small so if you definitely love another character, it probably won't be the difference between winning or losing very often, so drive who you like.
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: DoubleGunz on October 02, 2008, 02:24:32 pm True, Daisy is my second favourite character BEFORE this game. The reason these stats bug me is because sometimes when I use Daisy and win, I get told I was cheating for using Daisy. That really makes me feel bad since I was simply using her because she's an awesome character.
The fact that I can be accused of cheating for using my favourite character just ruins the fun. Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: OhioLawyer on October 05, 2008, 07:44:13 am lol what nub accused you of cheating for using a regular character?
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: DoubleGunz on October 05, 2008, 09:07:32 pm Meh, I don't really want to single people out, sorry. :-\
Title: Re: Choosing a bike and character Post by: Mr. coolguy Sethman on October 05, 2008, 09:24:14 pm Lol, the ONLY people you should be using in TT's is Funky, Daisy, B daisy, and Toadette. B daisy for N64 Sherbet Land, and Toadette for GBA shy guy. I personally use king boo and Flame runner in online races, for the handling and the off-road. You can tell a difference with the off road, and the speed stats really don't amount to much when you're getting item raped and wheelie slapped. Go for who you like, but don't bag on people for using Funky and Daisy... O0 |