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Title: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 26, 2012, 01:37:18 pm
Lebron fans gtfo


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 26, 2012, 01:39:08 pm
MJ of course
John Stockton
Karl Malone
Shaq
Blake Griffin lolol
 O0


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Sgt Juny on May 26, 2012, 01:41:55 pm
This is in no order:

Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Allen Iverson
Ray Allen
Vince Carter

There are also many others: Magic Johnson, Scotty Pippen, Big Shaq...

...Lebron...


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 26, 2012, 01:43:36 pm
I would never have thought you would put kobe on there


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Sgt Juny on May 26, 2012, 01:44:54 pm
Come on. He's like the king of mid-range  :P



Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 26, 2012, 01:49:28 pm
haha I guess I'll show some respect for grandpa


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Keihan on May 26, 2012, 06:06:07 pm
Michael Jordan
MJ
Jordan
Em-Jay
Mikeyyyy


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Baw on May 26, 2012, 06:16:09 pm
It's impossible to compress this into 5 so here's the top 10. By the way, hate on Lebron as much as you want but you can't deny his talent.

Micheal Jordan
Wilt Chamberlain
Magic Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Larry Bird
Shaquille O'Neal
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Julius Erving
Lebron James
John Stockton

(Kevin Durant in the near future)

Ray Allen over Magic Johnson? John Stockton over Magic Johnson? GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Sgt Juny on May 26, 2012, 06:32:36 pm
Calm down, I said there were many others, I couldn't fit them all.  :'(


Micheal Jordan
Wilt Chamberlain
Magic Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Larry Bird
Shaquille O'Neal
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Julius Erving
Lebron James
John Stockton


HOLY SHIZ  :o

hate on Lebron as much as you want but you can't deny his talent.


I got lost right here.

Kidding.  b) The guy is alright. The best thing I like about him is his traveling and flopping his amazing assists. And yes, he is quite the shot, I guess...


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 26, 2012, 09:32:12 pm
Calm down, I said there were many others, I couldn't fit them all.  :'(


Micheal Jordan
Wilt Chamberlain
Magic Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Larry Bird
Shaquille O'Neal
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Julius Erving
Lebron James
John Stockton


HOLY SHIZ  :o

hate on Lebron as much as you want but you can't deny his talent.


I got lost right here.

Kidding.  b) The guy is alright. The best thing I like about him is his traveling and flopping his amazing assists. And yes, he is quite the shot, I guess...


hahaha


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 28, 2012, 10:23:33 pm
Jordan
Bird
Magic
Chamberlain
Russell

/thread


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: the KR3AT3R on May 28, 2012, 10:30:04 pm
Jordan
Bird
Magic
Chamberlain
Russell

/thread

Actually, yes.

Also, you could insert dr. J anywhere as a sub. ;)


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 10:30:49 pm
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Dream
Oscar


those big guys back in the day played with a bunch of short ass white boys who would split there tight ass shorts if they could ever move fast, so I don't give them as much credit as they get, IMO big guys like wilt and russell would be equivalent to like a shaq in todays game which is awesome I just think hakeem was better then shaq


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 10:31:45 pm
The Looney tunes.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 10:33:43 pm
The Looney tunes.


YES!!


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 10:37:00 pm
Autumn you impress me with your sports knowledge , earlier with your nfl athletes list and then responding to me " Bo knows"  it made me know that you are not a 15 year old female


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 10:45:06 pm
Bo Jackson is my favorite player and i'm 17 sir


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 10:46:38 pm
see I told you that you weren't 15


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 10:46:51 pm
Female Raiders fans don't exist. Raider fans in general just don't exist.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 10:51:11 pm
Raider fans are actually just  trick or treaters with alzheimer's


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 10:52:02 pm
: O Raider Nation is the best fan base in all of sports  O0


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 10:52:54 pm
FOR ME TO POOP ON!


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 10:53:19 pm
How many earthquakes after game winning touchdowns has you fanbase caused? Sorry, loaded question, you guys don't win games.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 10:55:32 pm
enjoy Curry


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 10:56:41 pm
I'm so ashamed to own a Curry jersey. Fuck you Tim Ruskell.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: the KR3AT3R on May 28, 2012, 10:57:05 pm
Don't get me started on Gayder propaganda. :P


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 10:59:12 pm
when they win the west and make a deep playoff run this year you'll be changing your e-tone -_-


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 11:01:27 pm
Raiders fans look like the people who were too high to make it to an ICP concert.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: the KR3AT3R on May 28, 2012, 11:02:15 pm
when they win the west and make a deep playoff run this year you'll be changing your e-tone -_-

*cricket cricket*

:P


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 11:05:10 pm
Atleast I didn't hop on a bandwagon like I'm sure most of you have


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 11:06:52 pm
Hopping on the bandwagon of a team that has never won a championship is easier said then done.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 11:07:06 pm
I HAVE BEEN A SEAHAWKS FAN SINCE YOU WERE STILL IN A BALLSACK


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 11:09:11 pm
where once good players go to die RIP zach miller


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 11:10:13 pm
Silly me, I thought there was more the judging how good a player was then how many receiving yards he had.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 11:10:26 pm
miller/winslow combo = sore poopers


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 11:11:23 pm
HEY WE ARE THE RAIDERS IF THEY ARE FAST AND DUMB LETS DRAFT THEM


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 11:18:02 pm
Old Raiders* the Al Davis era is over


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 11:21:01 pm
And the new era involves sending a shit ton of draft picks for a QB that is past his prime. Raiders management will forever ride in the short plane to away games.   


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 11:22:50 pm
waisting a 3rd rounder for a player that has no position


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 11:23:56 pm
um no that is still considered Davis era fyi


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 11:26:00 pm
So Davis told Raiders management posthumously to comprise the future of the franchise to get Palmer?


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 11:31:33 pm
well it was mainly a Hue Jackson pick up and at the time was a good decision because the Raiders were in the playoff hunt and didn't have a QB.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 11:32:46 pm
Breaking news, they still don't have a QB.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 28, 2012, 11:35:33 pm
and who is your QB?  ;)


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 11:36:30 pm
Russell Wilson my man!


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 11:37:41 pm
Russell Wilson, the most talented quarterback in the draft of course. If he was 3 inches taller, he'd be a top 5 pick. The height issue is way overblown to begin with. His line was huge at Wisconsin and his throws were ridiculous outside of the pocket.

Regardless, with a defence like we have and a solid ground game, a QB like Matt Flynn isn't the end of the world.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on May 28, 2012, 11:39:28 pm
His line averaged 6 foot 5, name many nfl teams with that,also his release point is that of a guy 6 foot 3


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 28, 2012, 11:39:59 pm
Hand size is huge too.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 29, 2012, 12:21:52 am
i agree dave, dream was a helluva player, definitely worth considering over chamberlain, but i think russell deserves top 5 without a doubt.

tbh, even kobe is worth considering, like him or not he is undoubtably the best player of the last ~12 years.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Sgt Juny on May 29, 2012, 12:29:43 am
i agree dave, dream was a helluva player, definitely worth considering over chamberlain, but i think russell deserves top 5 without a doubt.

tbh, even kobe is worth considering, like him or not he is undoubtably the best player of the last ~12 years.

Couldn't agree more. Although, Allen Iverson was insanely monstrous at the time as well.  8)


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 29, 2012, 12:34:44 am
are you talking about the NBA or the NFL i'm confused now :/


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 29, 2012, 12:50:15 am
NBA!!!!


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 29, 2012, 12:50:59 am
i agree dave, dream was a helluva player, definitely worth considering over chamberlain, but i think russell deserves top 5 without a doubt.

tbh, even kobe is worth considering, like him or not he is undoubtably the best player of the last ~12 years.

Couldn't agree more. Although, Allen Iverson was insanely monstrous at the time as well.  8)

he was great but he doesn't have a ring and only peaked for a relatively short period of time, top 50 definitely, top 5 probably not


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Sgt Juny on May 29, 2012, 12:54:44 am
 
i agree dave, dream was a helluva player, definitely worth considering over chamberlain, but i think russell deserves top 5 without a doubt.

tbh, even kobe is worth considering, like him or not he is undoubtably the best player of the last ~12 years.

Couldn't agree more. Although, Allen Iverson was insanely monstrous at the time as well.  8)

he was great but he doesn't have a ring and only peaked for a relatively short period of time, top 50 definitely, top 5 probably not

I don't know the history of the Sixers where he was the most, but did he even have any good players to back him up?


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 29, 2012, 01:01:15 am
The whole "X" player doesn't have a ring is a cop out. The playoffs have an insane amount of random variation that the most talented teams aren't guaranteed success. Does it mean those players were not great players? Hell no.

Basketball is a ridiculous sport to place the "he doesn't have a ring" tag on a player. There's 5 players from a team on the court at once, with 5 others likely to play. It's not Iverson's fault if the team around him isn't as good as the team around Kobe.

With this in mind...

LeBron James is an absolutely phenomenal player, and will go down as one of the best ever, assuming he remains healthy. What he has done relative to his pears is unbelievable. Look at the era he plays in, where players are massive, physical forces. The game has changed dramatically, and comparing what Magic was able to do vs. what LeBron is currently doing is virtually impossible. If someone has free time, feel free to find the relative impact of what LeBron James is doing.



Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 29, 2012, 01:07:02 am
oh no here comes the fake foul vids from juny  :'(


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Sgt Juny on May 29, 2012, 01:23:47 am

LeBron James is an absolutely phenomenal player, and will go down as one of the best ever, assuming he remains healthy. What he has done relative to his pears is unbelievable. Look at the era he plays in, where players are massive, physical forces. The game has changed dramatically, and comparing what Magic was able to do vs. what LeBron is currently doing is virtually impossible. If someone has free time, feel free to find the relative impact of what LeBron James is doing.


Holy shiz you got to be kidding me.   :o

This guy is just way too overrated. He ain't worth a ring (HAH)  :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Ca5YFEJYw&feature=related

I've shown enough fake foul videos; he needs to work on ball handling more and NOT SWITCHING HIS PIVOT FOOT. I've seen many games of his and it is ridiculous. I hope he does not go down as one of the best ever. If so, the NBA is gone.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Sgt Juny on May 29, 2012, 01:37:58 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuoiNst5_ag
 :-*


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 29, 2012, 01:40:00 am
oLawd


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Autumn1194 on May 29, 2012, 01:46:45 am
(http://i.qkme.me/353ao2.jpg)


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Joker on May 29, 2012, 06:22:25 am
Jordan
Bird
Magic
Chamberlain
Russell

/thread

my man


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 29, 2012, 05:53:37 pm
The whole "X" player doesn't have a ring is a cop out. The playoffs have an insane amount of random variation that the most talented teams aren't guaranteed success. Does it mean those players were not great players? Hell no.

Basketball is a ridiculous sport to place the "he doesn't have a ring" tag on a player. There's 5 players from a team on the court at once, with 5 others likely to play. It's not Iverson's fault if the team around him isn't as good as the team around Kobe.

With this in mind...

LeBron James is an absolutely phenomenal player, and will go down as one of the best ever, assuming he remains healthy. What he has done relative to his pears is unbelievable. Look at the era he plays in, where players are massive, physical forces. The game has changed dramatically, and comparing what Magic was able to do vs. what LeBron is currently doing is virtually impossible. If someone has free time, feel free to find the relative impact of what LeBron James is doing.



this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

the object of the game is not to score 25 ppg, or make reverse layups, it is to win. simple as that.

success should absolutely be an integral factor in deciding the TOP 5 players of all time.

this isn't list off some good nba players, this is the "Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball". in order to be a TOP 5 NBA player of it's history, you better believe championship rings is important. if they weren't good enough to make due of their surroundings, they probably aren't fit for the top 5. btw, if you were hinting at lebron, he has ridiculous support, no excuse for him to not have a ring after this year if he's to be considered a top 5 player.

i'd rather take a consistent winner (russell) than a consistent stat-freak (lbj).


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 29, 2012, 05:54:11 pm
also, *peers


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 29, 2012, 11:32:35 pm
Tom Heinsohn won 8 championships, ergo, he is a consistent winner and a better all time player then LeBron James. LeBron James had nothing in his years with Cleveland and still managed to take his team to the playoffs on a consistent basis. He made it to the championship in his first season with talent around him, and will most likely make it there again in his second. You clearly don't understand random variation.

Now lets also add to the fact that Bill Russell played in a time where there were 9 NBA teams, not 30. If you want to tell me Federer is better then Nadal because he has won more, fine, it's an individual sport. If you want to tell me Tom Heinsohn is better then LeBron because of championships won in a different era with while playing a team sport, you're absolutely incorrect. This goes for any sport.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 30, 2012, 07:57:01 pm
I didn't say that it's the only basis, moron. I said it should be an "integral factor" for being in the Top 5.

LeBron shouldn't be Top 5 because there were (at least) 5 players that were as talented as him that actually won championships.

Grasping at straws.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 30, 2012, 08:27:40 pm
The championship banners don't say "Bill Russell", they say "Boston Celtic" because it's a team sport. Ray Bourque went 20 seasons without winning, and finally won in his final season when he was past his prime and that championship is suddenly supposed to make him a better player? No. Barry Bonds never won a championship, but he's still arguably the greatest baseball player ever.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 30, 2012, 10:14:37 pm
If an individual's impact on his peers wasn't great enough to produce a championship of the course of his career, he should not be considered a Top 5 great, as there were easily 5 others that had said impression.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 30, 2012, 10:17:22 pm
That's more then comical. Find me a value stat that says X player was worth Y during Z playoff run.

Correlation =/= Causation



Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 31, 2012, 12:15:06 am
*than

If you think you can put a stat on a player's worth, why the **** am I wasting my time...

If you'd like to argue that Michael Jordan/Bill Russell/Larry Bird/Magic Johnson/Wilt Chamberlain were less valuable to their teams during the playoffs than LBJ, go right ahead.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 31, 2012, 08:24:24 am
I'll give you a hint, wins above replacement player (WARP).


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 31, 2012, 02:34:08 pm
You're trying to put a statistic on something that can't be defined with numbers. You're being lazy.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 31, 2012, 02:35:37 pm
It's strange that people are so quick to reject stats when they disagree with their hypothesis, but love them when they agree with it.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 31, 2012, 06:32:50 pm
You're so **** stupid.

I chose those 5 guys because of what I've seen from them on the court. You're too lazy to watch the game so you jump to fancy statistics because it's fast and easy.

It's ok. You're a product of your environment.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 31, 2012, 07:02:09 pm
I've never heard of a number that was capable of being biased. I can't say the same about humans.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on May 31, 2012, 07:03:36 pm
Numbers don't tell the whole story. That's my point. Read.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on May 31, 2012, 07:07:29 pm
Are you aware of WARP is? Your argument is: "My eyes can see that X player is awesome because my eyes are more accurate then yours." These stats were invented to get rid of this.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on June 01, 2012, 01:21:39 am
I am aware of what WARP is.

if you like numbers so much, watch baseball.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 01, 2012, 08:02:05 am
I do watch baseball, but numbers can be applied to many things.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: hoop_210 on June 02, 2012, 04:03:15 pm
Jordan
Bird
Magic
Chamberlain
Russell

/thread

agreed...
Where would Tim Duncan rank though?...


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 02, 2012, 06:29:10 pm
I believe he is behind Malone but in front of Barkley for greatest power forwards ever


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on June 02, 2012, 09:57:16 pm
hmm , as much as i dislike Duncan I say he's def Top 25 Ever.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Baw on June 02, 2012, 10:04:05 pm
Why would you dislike Duncan? He almost has no trouble in the media. You never see him gloating or trying to fight someone. He's one of the best and most respectable players in the NBA, ever. He's so clean cut that people always forget about him and the Spurs until playoff time (another reason people forget about the Spurs is because of they play the ultimate team ball, undoubtedly the best passing team in the NBA, which is why they're considered bored). I can kind of understand if you really dislike the Spurs. This is coming from a Heat fan.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 02, 2012, 10:38:35 pm
Why would you dislike Duncan? He almost has no trouble in the media. You never see him gloating or trying to fight someone. He's one of the best and most respectable players in the NBA, ever. He's so clean cut that people always forget about him and the Spurs until playoff time (another reason people forget about the Spurs is because of they play the ultimate team ball, undoubtedly the best passing team in the NBA, which is why they're considered bored). I can kind of understand if you really dislike the Spurs. This is coming from a Heat fan.
well said, Duncan is a class act, most don't realize he is a free agent after this season but it isn't made a big deal because he is one of those guys who is loyal


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on June 03, 2012, 02:52:11 pm
I **** hate the Spurs and Duncan is their best player, law of syllogism


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Red Fatality on June 04, 2012, 07:31:18 pm
alot of people are going to disagree with me here but its hard for me to put down some of the older players that played in the 60s etc players have evolved since then they are bigger faster stronger now **** if dwight howard or shaq played in the 60s traveled back in time somehow they would avg 70 a game. they might of been one of the best for there time but not one of the best that ever tounched a basketball imo anyway here is my list

Michael jordan - don't even have to explain my reasons he obviously should be on everyones top 5

kobe bryant- personally i hate the guy but he is a beast on the basetball court in his prime he deservers to be on this list imo back when he had his legs and could drive. Alot of people consider him a stat **** cause he attempts alot of shots but the guy does whatever he can to try to get the win even if thats being a ball hog he will do it very competitive player and very succesfull (5 time champion)

Shaq- the best big man imo in his prime he was a straight up beast for real not only could he rebound he could block play fantastic defense and could score the ball. the only thing lacking in his game at all is his free throws but everything else he did outweigh that.  his defensive play in the playoffs was fantastic he has won multiple rings

Magic Johnson-The best true pg to ever play imo. three NBA MVP Awards, nine NBA Finals appearances, twelve All-Star games, and ten All-NBA First and Second Team nominations. He led the league in regular-season assists four times, and is the NBA's all-time leader in average assists per game, at 11.2 nothing more to say.

Dirk Nowitzki- I imagine ill get some hate here but let me explain myself. He is truly the best shooting big man i have ever seen. He makes a living on one of the hardest shots to make in the game fade away jumpers and he does it over and over and over. He is 7 foot and can make 3s all day. His ppg total is always higher in the playoffs then in the regular season he has won a league mvp and finals mvp. He is one of the best free throw shooters the game has ever seen. Without dirk the mavs would be nothing for years he would carry them in the playoffs only to fall up short because lack of help he doesn't need allstars around him just capable defenders and afew players who can make shots when they are open.


Honorable mentions
lbj-he gets entirely to much hate the guy is the most versatile player i have seen can score rebound assist and blk shots. he has the best build i have seen in a basketball player he has the chance to be the best to ever play but his mind is not right and he will never be that. he lacks the killer instinct that you need he is not clutch at all in clutch situations. he can carry a team by himself but in the end you need a guy that will take over and not get you close to the win but someone that will get you the win.

durant- give him afew more years

larry bird

allen iverson

kareem

malone

russel


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 04, 2012, 08:33:46 pm
wow just wow I'll give you +5 for having the balls to list that


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 04, 2012, 08:34:47 pm
nevermind I skipped past the starting lineup and thought the honorable was your main list


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 04, 2012, 08:37:18 pm
who is the one man regardless of his ppg or any stats that you would want taking a shot with a few seconds on the clock for u?


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Red Fatality on June 04, 2012, 08:51:08 pm
hmm basically anyone that can create there own shot and make the shot with a hand in there face i would say durant dirk mj




Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 04, 2012, 09:22:44 pm
its also a head game taking that shot,and those are 3 of the best at taking and making those shots, +1 for sticking with your guns


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Baw on June 04, 2012, 10:13:54 pm
I can't believe I forgot about Bill Russell. I'd put him somewhere around the 5 spot on my top 10.

its also a head game taking that shot,and those are 3 of the best at taking and making those shots, +1 for sticking with your guns
If you're talking right now in the game, Kobe Bryant. He is the best player mentally in the NBA and is an all-star.

If you're talking about all-time, Micheal Jordan of course.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Termin8or on June 05, 2012, 06:55:14 am
I pretty much agree with the top 5 lists that have been stated with the odd exception...I grew up watching Magic, MJ, Bird, Kareem, etc. and those guys were great. I don't know if anyone already said this, but one thought that sticks out in my mind (to the people that talk about how the game is bigger, faster, etc.) is that the guys that play today have the benefit of watching the superstars of yesterday and seeing groundbreaking styles. I look at guys like Magic and MJ or guys before them and they were absolute standouts in the league because they did some very unique things. When someone stands out that much in the league, it's hard to say that they weren't one of the greatest. You have to compare them to players at that time, not players of today because the players of today learned from them, plus training camps get better over time (don't forget some of these guys went on to coach or manage), etc. I do think guys like Kobe and Shaq are also absolute standouts in their prime (BTW, I'm a Lakers fan if you couldn't tell :) ), but do they standout from the crowd of today as much as someone from 20-30 years ago?


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Paranoid71 on June 05, 2012, 01:23:44 pm
Damn, I forgot about Kareem. I would seriously consider having him replace wilt, not sure, though.


Title: Re: Best 5 NBA players to ever touch a basketball
Post by: Red Fatality on June 07, 2012, 10:28:56 am
I pretty much agree with the top 5 lists that have been stated with the odd exception...I grew up watching Magic, MJ, Bird, Kareem, etc. and those guys were great. I don't know if anyone already said this, but one thought that sticks out in my mind (to the people that talk about how the game is bigger, faster, etc.) is that the guys that play today have the benefit of watching the superstars of yesterday and seeing groundbreaking styles. I look at guys like Magic and MJ or guys before them and they were absolute standouts in the league because they did some very unique things. When someone stands out that much in the league, it's hard to say that they weren't one of the greatest. You have to compare them to players at that time, not players of today because the players of today learned from them, plus training camps get better over time (don't forget some of these guys went on to coach or manage), etc. I do think guys like Kobe and Shaq are also absolute standouts in their prime (BTW, I'm a Lakers fan if you couldn't tell :) ), but do they standout from the crowd of today as much as someone from 20-30 years ago?

ya true also back then they didn't count blks and other stuff like that and no 3 ball but i still think the more recent players are better. if the older players had all the information that the newers ones did training methods and so forth idk it might be different we will never know that though