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Title: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 12:09:40 pm I was talking to LT on psn not sure how it came up but i told him there has been shootings around here and im always prepared for that situation etc and i told him what i had and he wanted to see pictures or whatever i think ive post them here before but whatever.
(http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/vTContraband/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/181020_162173070581073_699088007_n.jpg) (http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/vTContraband/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/551815_162172943914419_349787595_n.jpg) (http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/vTContraband/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/576586_162172760581104_975607064_n.jpg) (http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/vTContraband/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/167404_162172547247792_1063569363_n.jpg) Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: MrPillow on June 16, 2012, 12:16:10 pm you know kreaters thread about getting ready for the zombie apocalypse wasn't serious, right? :D
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Laughing Turd on June 16, 2012, 12:20:31 pm thats pretty badass and the saiga looks so badasssss. that grip actually help?
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 12:30:21 pm ya that grip helps out alot not much recoil at all man i can hold it like a tommy gun and let it go only deference is its 12 gauge shotgun ammo XD
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 12:36:38 pm oh also thats a folding stock on the end
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 16, 2012, 12:41:27 pm Very nice.
Turd, if you're considering some weaps id recommend getting them while you're single or before having children when money is easier spent. I've wanted another gun besides my ghey 380 for a long time now but they're so damn expensive. :-\ Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Laughing Turd on June 16, 2012, 12:42:46 pm you're gonna have to let me go to your house and shoot that saiga sometime haha.
what about the handguns? those the ones you told me about? Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 12:49:35 pm Jericho 941 .40 caliber handgun. I really like that handgun sites are great and its very accurate and powerfull israeli beast.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 12:59:21 pm This makes absolutely no sense to me. For one, you most likely aren't the primary target of shootings, unless you have a history with certain individuals who would attack you with a weapon. Having a gun like that for "Self Defence" is ludicrous. No one is going to attack your house in a manner that you need a fully automatic machine gun to take them out, and you aren't going to be taking that with you when you're walking in the streets.
Secondly, what are you going to do if there is a shooting? Most shootings happen in metropolitan areas with a dense population. Are you going to pull out your gun and start shooting right back or are you going to be hiding like 99.99% of the people are and should be doing? The chances of you seeing who is shooting, let alone getting an accurate shot off without hurting any bystanders are slim. Call it a hobby, fine but calling it Self Defence is more then laughable. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: MrPillow on June 16, 2012, 01:03:12 pm what about home invasions dude? yeah, if theyre armed and trying to rob your house, and you aint, youre kinda ****.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 01:05:56 pm We all have time to locate our guns, and make sure they are properly loaded and start playing a game of hide and seek when someone breaks into our home. Chances are, you're fucked either way. It could also be more dangerous, considering people aren't likely to just start shooting up a random guy, but if that random guy has a gun, they feel threatened.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: MrPillow on June 16, 2012, 01:15:40 pm now youre playing on assumptions. most people that live alone will keep it close to their bed :P
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 01:20:55 pm There's plenty of research on the likelihood of shooting someone other then an intruder. That isn't to say I'm against people owning guns. I'm just against the fact that people call it self defence when it's not logical in any sense of the word. Oddly enough, many of the people who believe in guns for self defence are religious whack jobs.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 01:23:08 pm The shotgun is the best home defense shotgun that there is that is why i have it man ya i skeet shoot with it because its fun and its a hobby. I have it mainly for home invasion type situations when there is a narrow hallway and the robber gang banger what ever the case might be and they have a handgun which is what they will most likely bring ill have every advantage that there is if you rob my house expect limps to be blown off.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 01:24:30 pm Here's a better idea, locks on your doors.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 01:29:30 pm there are 100s of gangs where i live (ft worth area) texas syndicate and many other gangs about a mile and a half 2 miles from were i live there was a shooting not to long ago one guy was wounded and another killed. Guns keep a fair playing field if i wanna protect my self my stuff tvs stereo systems calling the police when they are in your house isn't going to cut it.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 16, 2012, 01:30:52 pm :D
This is good stuff. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 01:31:27 pm there are 100s of gangs where i live (ft worth area) texas syndicate and many other gangs about a mile and a half 2 miles from were i live there was a shooting not to long ago one guy was wounded and another killed. Guns keep a fair playing field if i wanna protect my self my stuff tvs stereo systems calling the police when they are in your house isn't going to cut it. Someone isn't going to kill you over a stereo. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 16, 2012, 01:34:02 pm Now that's a stupid assupmtion. Countless people have been killed over pocket change, literally. A lady was once robbed and since she was too broke and didn't have any cash aside from her change they shot her.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 01:37:59 pm People aren't dumb. The inherent value of killing someone doesn't match up with the profit received from a stereo. Even if it does worry you that much, theft insurance is cheaper then guns.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 01:40:04 pm now your just nit picking. gang members have that gang mentality they don't give a **** about anyone else but people in there gang and there familes and whats good for them. **** there are some gangs where the only way you get in is if you kill someone. The fact of the matter is if someone wants to steal something or whatever it might be they are going to have to face the consequences i earned my **** i went to jobs i hate everyday busted my ass to pay for things and some **** thinks he is entitled to it **** that. There is too much sympathy towards these people man. Obviously im not just going to shoot them as soon as someone enters my house either i think thats what you are thinking if i see a gun on them or something like that or they are picking up something that isn't theirs im going to tell them to leave and if they don't they will die. Its a comfort thing knowing i have it makes me sleep at night shootouts won't last long with a wep like that.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 01:44:21 pm Right, because when you tell them to leave, they definitely aren't going to shoot at you...
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Laughing Turd on June 16, 2012, 01:53:55 pm People aren't dumb. The inherent value of killing someone doesn't match up with the profit received from a stereo. Even if it does worry you that much, theft insurance is cheaper then guns. sorry dude, but he is right. I live in the dallas- ft worth area myself and people do get killed over stupid **** like this all the time. one of my old friends actually got her house broken into, she was tied up and her house was robbed in front of her. last winter a girl was kidnapped from her home, raped and stabbed to death in our city and in the block i used to live in and where my sister and nephew currently live in. this crap does happen all the time. im not a huge gun guy myself but I do enjoy the thought of shooting them from time to time. i don't really like the thought of actually killing a person but there are always stories where guns made a difference. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 01:55:23 pm So if she had a gun, she would have been able to stop these people, or would she just be tied up with a gun?
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 01:55:48 pm majority of robbers or whatever they steal when they think you aren't home wonder if they come in and they think know ones there and you come out of a room or something they pull out their gun and start shooting. House owners here carry guns robbers will always carry gun knowing that in case they are getting shot at. If its a punk ass 12 year old kid im not going to shoot him there are Scenarios for everything you always have to be prepared.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 01:58:54 pm Do you have a fire extinguisher in every room of your house? Do you have a defibrillator in your home? I guarantee there are certain things you aren't prepared for, so using "you always have to be prepared" as an excuse is total bullshit.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 16, 2012, 02:01:59 pm We started looking for a better gun a few weeks ago cause my nephew's coach got broken into by a 19 year old that beat him in the head with a hammer (but he barely survived), beat the mom to daeth with the hammer, then raped the 10 yr old daughter and then beat her to death too. I'm almost positive that in between a beating or 2 a gun would have changed a lot of things.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 02:02:37 pm I have fire alarms. If this wasn't a automatic shotgun nothing would be said this thread would of been at the bottom a hour ago. A .22 can kill someone a weak gun like that is deadly but if someone wants to harm you have to have whats available at your disposal you want the criminals to win? They start shooting at you with a handgun you send some buckshot down his way you think he is going to stick around and see how it turns out?
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 02:03:45 pm I have fire alarms. If this wasn't a automatic shotgun nothing would be said this thread would of been at the bottom a hour ago. A .22 can kill someone a weak gun like that is deadly but if someone wants to harm you have to have whats available at your disposal you want the criminals to win? They start shooting at you with a handgun you send some buckshot down his way you think he is going to stick around and see how it turns out? This had nothing to do with my previous statement. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 02:05:39 pm We started looking for a better gun a few weeks ago cause my nephew's coach got broken into by a 19 year old that beat him in the head with a hammer (but he barely survived), beat the mom to daeth with the hammer, then raped the 10 yr old daughter and then beat her to death too. I'm almost positive that in between a beating or 2 a gun would have changed a lot of things. Total hypothetical situation, and I don't hope anything like this happens to anybody. If someone is standing over a family with a hammer and tells you not to move, are you seriously going to go looking for a gun? Or will you comply with the hopes of saving a family member? There's way too many things that have to lineup for a gun to be able to save you from certain things. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 02:09:56 pm between the 3 of them or how ever many where there one of them could of got the gun and pointed it at him and told him to gtfo. Its that simple he would of left no one raped murdered lives saved so on and so forth daugher be eating her captain crunch the next morning
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 02:12:07 pm It doesn't matter how many people are there, if he says "Don't move or X individual is dead", no one is going to move, unless you think you are a hero of some sort.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Keihan on June 16, 2012, 02:15:31 pm between the 3 of them or how ever many where there one of them could of got the gun and pointed it at him and told him to gtfo. Its that simple he would of left no one raped murdered lives saved so on and so forth daugher be eating her captain crunch the next morning This is going to be my new sig. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 02:16:25 pm when all he has is a hammer and there are 3 of them umm ya lmao you either got to be the biggest coward in the world or plain stupid at that point its a numbers game if they split um started running i highly highly doubt all 3 would of been murdered if there was a gun involved
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: MrPillow on June 16, 2012, 02:19:15 pm ddd all of your hypotheticals revolve around the idea that the gun isn't already handy/closeby. Especially as Red said, most people are going to try and come when they are under the impression that you are not home, leaving you with the element of surprise.
Also, saying "preparation" is a bs excuse is bs in itself. It's unrealistic to find yourself prepared for every situation possible, but there's nothing wrong with with trying to be ready for as many situations as possible. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Keihan on June 16, 2012, 02:21:27 pm I think douchedouchedouche is just a douche... no but really... I think he's a big troll. He thinks mary jane should stay illegal, now this silliness..
Troll moar? Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 02:25:34 pm when all he has is a hammer and there are 3 of them umm ya lmao you either got to be the biggest coward in the world or plain stupid at that point its a numbers game if they split um started running i highly highly doubt all 3 would of been murdered if there was a gun involved I don't know about you, but if someone is holding a hammer, I'll not going to try and take him down. ddd all of your hypotheticals revolve around the idea that the gun isn't already handy/closeby. Especially as Red said, most people are going to try and come when they are under the impression that you are not home, leaving you with the element of surprise. Also, saying "preparation" is a bs excuse is bs in itself. It's unrealistic to find yourself prepared for every situation possible, but there's nothing wrong with with trying to be ready for as many situations as possible. I'll give you an example of the stupidity of some people. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120417211731AATYH00 Look at the top answer. It's hilarious. "They (guns) are not loaded and are locked up." Quick, someone get up at 4 AM, tired as balls, find the keys, load the weapon and still have time to save everyone in the house. I don't think so. Secondly, I'm fine with not being able to prepare for everything, but why not prepare for the most common occurrences? What is the logic behind choosing this one over fire, or carbon monoxide, or heart failure? Guns are neat, I can grasp that, and I'm sure they are a blast to use, but his arguments are just devoid of logic. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 02:27:43 pm I think douchedouchedouche is just a douche... no but really... I think he's a big troll. He thinks mary jane should stay illegal, now this silliness.. Troll moar? I don't think you understand the concept of trolling. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: MrPillow on June 16, 2012, 02:28:58 pm Yeah people are retarded but that isn't a demerit to red's reason for using it, assuming he does have them in a reasonable place.
Most people, including myself, do have a fire extinguisher. In fact apartments around here are required to supply to the tenants. Now, one in every room is another story. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 02:30:03 pm Yeah people are retarded but that isn't a demerit to red's reason for using it, assuming he does have them in a reasonable place. Most people, including myself, do have a fire extinguisher. In fact apartments around here are required to supply to the tenants. Now, one in every room is another story. Of course every house has a fire extinguisher. How often do you check it though? Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: MrPillow on June 16, 2012, 02:32:18 pm Yeah people are retarded but that isn't a demerit to red's reason for using it, assuming he does have them in a reasonable place. Most people, including myself, do have a fire extinguisher. In fact apartments around here are required to supply to the tenants. Now, one in every room is another story. Of course every house has a fire extinguisher. How often do you check it though? every half year O0 Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 02:33:50 pm If we want to get technical, it's not nearly enough, but I imagine still more often that the average household.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: MrPillow on June 16, 2012, 02:35:40 pm How often do you think it should be checked?
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 16, 2012, 02:37:06 pm Monthly.
I don't check mine monthly, but I'm also not claiming to own things in order to be prepared for everything. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: MrPillow on June 16, 2012, 02:41:44 pm I was just asking to know, not to debate.
That said, if that's the reason he owns the guns then that's the reason he owns the guns. If you think that he doesn't prepare enough for everything, then that's your opinion but it doesn't take away from his intention. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 03:28:55 pm when all he has is a hammer and there are 3 of them umm ya lmao you either got to be the biggest coward in the world or plain stupid at that point its a numbers game if they split um started running i highly highly doubt all 3 would of been murdered if there was a gun involved I don't know about you, but if someone is holding a hammer, I'll not going to try and take him down. ddd all of your hypotheticals revolve around the idea that the gun isn't already handy/closeby. Especially as Red said, most people are going to try and come when they are under the impression that you are not home, leaving you with the element of surprise. Also, saying "preparation" is a bs excuse is bs in itself. It's unrealistic to find yourself prepared for every situation possible, but there's nothing wrong with with trying to be ready for as many situations as possible. I'll give you an example of the stupidity of some people. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120417211731AATYH00 Look at the top answer. It's hilarious. "They (guns) are not loaded and are locked up." Quick, someone get up at 4 AM, tired as balls, find the keys, load the weapon and still have time to save everyone in the house. I don't think so. Secondly, I'm fine with not being able to prepare for everything, but why not prepare for the most common occurrences? What is the logic behind choosing this one over fire, or carbon monoxide, or heart failure? Guns are neat, I can grasp that, and I'm sure they are a blast to use, but his arguments are just devoid of logic. if you know were your guns is and you should it should take all but 15 seconds to unlock it and for it to be ready to go. your not dealing with solid snake here they are most likely going to make some noise. hell there might be some situations where your not ready in time and they kill a family member or two before you got to the gun and ready for it to be fired but it will still prevent the remaining survivors from death or maybe injury. Some areas are worse then others in this country in gang areas you need to protect yourself. I wasn't claiming to be prepared for everything in the world lol i don't only use these guns for self defense i skeet shoot with the shotgun and i find great joy in useing them for that its a ****ing blast. **** this notion of rednecks clinging to tere gunz or whatever i don't give a **** what people think and you shouldn't either its a stereotype like everything else you can be a gun owner and not be a redneck. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 16, 2012, 04:30:29 pm I like that big guy in the movie Happy Gilmore with the shirt thats says " guns don't kill people, I kill people" that guy is funny and so is that shirt, do you concur?
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 16, 2012, 04:34:22 pm somebody better fawking concur pretty soon
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 16, 2012, 04:39:09 pm what to cool to concur? this is fawking male cattle dung just fawking concur with what I said! dude why you guys trying to get me so mad, fawk quit fawking with me everybody i can't take it anymore
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 16, 2012, 04:41:13 pm I cumcur
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 16, 2012, 04:59:51 pm I like to use my index finger and thumb to make a gun and then I use my voice to make the bullet noises, if an intruder ever broke into my house they would be scared shitless of my gun
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 16, 2012, 05:02:40 pm I cumcur again
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Permanent Poopface on June 16, 2012, 05:06:30 pm Ok hey mods is it ok to have an adult section where I can post working usernames and passwords to adult paysites?
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Paranoid71 on June 16, 2012, 05:46:17 pm Here's a better idea, locks on your doors. This is really stupid. k bye Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: CamuMahubah on June 16, 2012, 08:11:36 pm People aren't dumb. The inherent value of killing someone doesn't match up with the profit received from a stereo. Even if it does worry you that much, theft insurance is cheaper then guns. I disagree with the first sentence and everythang else you wrote. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Baw on June 16, 2012, 08:31:00 pm People aren't dumb. I'll give you an example of the stupidity of some people. Nice contradiction. kthxbai Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 08:31:02 pm I like that big guy in the movie Happy Gilmore with the shirt thats says " guns don't kill people, I kill people" that guy is funny and so is that shirt, do you concur? ya i agree. "guns don't kill people , people kill people" is something i agree with. A gun has never killed anyone the person behind it has the mind of the person whether it be lack of knowledge with the gun being uncaring/unaware or just plain being a murderer. Keep in mind geting guns like automatics isn't easy you sign your life away and background checks up the ass by the way. But anyway there is dangerous machinery that has killed people it wasn't the machine that killed them it was the person running the machine or not following proper safety measures. One bad egg or dumbass ruins it for everyone one person dies and everyone wants to police and take away everything. Geting rid of these guns is not going to solve the crime in this country what happens is you are left with nothing and the criminal will have the advantage they can get these guns at will even if they where banned. Granted autos and guns make it easier to do get the job done but the psychological mind of the person behind the gun is the problem. Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: Red Fatality on June 16, 2012, 08:48:02 pm ddd was arguing for arguing sake. he even said he doesn't completely disagree with gun rights or something like that in a earlier post. Just to clarify I have nothing against the dude at all in anyway thats what wu is about arguing about **** on the internet. its surprising fun.
Title: Re: Self Defense Guns Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 17, 2012, 10:59:36 am ddd was arguing for arguing sake. he even said he doesn't completely disagree with gun rights or something like that in a earlier post. Just to clarify I have nothing against the dude at all in anyway thats what wu is about arguing about **** on the internet. its surprising fun. Correct, I just think calling it self defence is totally laughable. |