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Title: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 21, 2013, 10:06:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R7HbCkU_-cM#t=43s


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Ps358 on March 21, 2013, 10:29:48 pm
Ehh, they took it a littl too far, but raging in those competitions is normal.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Joker on March 21, 2013, 10:30:27 pm
u


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: the KR3AT3R on March 21, 2013, 10:36:06 pm
Those bloody blokes can't hang wiv me.  They can suck on me e-knob.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 22, 2013, 04:27:02 am
LMAO


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 22, 2013, 05:54:19 am
I don't find it that upsetting  :-\ If you're a competitive gamer (same as with sports) then this is pretty normal. I thought you were a competitor DG  :-\

What I can't believe is that they can win a million dollars  :-\


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 22, 2013, 05:56:51 am
A million dollars???  :o :o  I'd be freaking out like that also!


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 22, 2013, 06:00:46 am
That's what the reporter said........a million bucks  :o


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 23, 2013, 03:11:42 pm
What it boils down to is each person on the team getting like $60k or something like that because it was a 1mil tournament, so it had to be spread out.. taxes too.. etc.

I say it's upsetting because of how immature that is. Hooooooollllllyyyyyy

It's just upsetting knowing they represent "gamers" to some people because of the publicity of that. That is pathetic.

People that scream like that over the mic online are bad enough.. but in person? That's nasty. There is quite a contrast if you look up other gaming communities' tournaments, for the most part like fighting games and stuff. yuck. The CoD mindset is poop


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 23, 2013, 03:52:54 pm
There is quite a contrast if you look up other gaming communities' tournaments, for the most part like fighting games and stuff.
Fighting game hype is the best hype

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZUMjoxfZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6ga9Jvdw9U


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 23, 2013, 04:45:50 pm
lmao


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 23, 2013, 06:36:42 pm
This too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mSbHE5iHUQ

MEANWHILE IN JAPAN...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEYLy0Z6nK4


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Baw on March 23, 2013, 08:37:24 pm
I don't care how much you're getting paid (they're not even getting a lot compared to professional sports) at least show some sportsmanship.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 23, 2013, 08:39:53 pm
You guys have obviously never played in a competitive match or don't have a very competitive nature  :-\


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 23, 2013, 08:48:23 pm
WANNA BET?


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 23, 2013, 08:52:13 pm
WANNA BET?

Um you didn't say it was upsetting


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 23, 2013, 09:04:31 pm
SAY UM ONE MORE TIME


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 23, 2013, 09:08:33 pm
I don't know what to say....u......m.....


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 23, 2013, 09:12:43 pm
That's not what competitiveness should look like. Screaming horrible things directly in to your opponents face shouldn't ever be considered necessary, let alone 'ok'.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 23, 2013, 09:59:40 pm
Like I said, you haven't been in a situation where something meant enough to you. You can **** on them all you want, but its obviously part of the strategy and experience. Many events are like that and when it's that intense tempers flare.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Baw on March 23, 2013, 10:14:59 pm
You guys have obviously never played in a competitive match or don't have a very competitive nature  :-\
Yes, I've played in competitive matches in real sports, basketball and football in high school. I also play intramural sports right now.

It's called sportsmanship, something these guys obviously don't have. We don't scream at the other team and curse them out every time we make a basket or score a touchdown. We'll high-five each other and stuff but we act like we've actually been successful before.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 23, 2013, 10:27:54 pm
Yeah I've played too (real sports) and when it's intense tempers flare. That doesn't mean you can't be sportsmanlike.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 24, 2013, 10:47:37 am
Saying "tempers flare" is a work around of "being immature". It's not something that just 'happens'. It comes with the territory. The territory being the CoD community and how crappy it is.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 24, 2013, 11:09:32 am
I disagree entirely. No, it's not immaturity, it's desire to win. That simple.

Now, I will say that when the match is over and a winner is declared it is unsportsmanlike at that point to throw a fit or trash talk the other team, etc. But in the heat if the match it is not immature. I don't give a crap about the cod community but I feel you are purposely trying to call then down when everyone in every intense situation with a desire to win will react in a similar fashion. Some are obviously more vocal than others, but that doesn't make them immature. It just shows the desire to win.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 24, 2013, 12:08:15 pm
I do not agree, kind sir. That is how this conversation must end. One will never know the true reasoning behind this sensitive case. It is forever a mystery. youwon'tFind out next time.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 24, 2013, 12:13:10 pm
Pretty sure It's the individual... not just the community.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 24, 2013, 01:31:48 pm
Yeah. The CoD community is much more mature in comparison to all other gaming communities.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 24, 2013, 01:46:18 pm
You obviously have a chip on your shoulder  O0


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 24, 2013, 01:51:42 pm
What you showed was a Rage compilation and you didn't show anything else... that's like me showing you all the bad plays that the Ravens did and saying they are terrible... even though they won the superbowl.


EVERY gaming community has people that rage... and you can't prove it otherwise.

also comparing these guys to athletic sports is a joke.. people such as football players need to show respect or else they don't get to play.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 24, 2013, 02:33:44 pm
It's pretty clear to most that have played those games a lot that a large majority are just angry for no reason. It's talked about by many people. I'm not just 'making it up'..

I don't see how you can defend the CoD community.  :P


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 24, 2013, 02:37:41 pm
It is the biggest and most competitive community.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 24, 2013, 03:38:00 pm
No it's not. I doubt it's truly the biggest, but it's DEFINITELY not the most competitive.

Have you people seen competitive Starcraft in Korea? Holy ****....


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 24, 2013, 03:47:57 pm
most competitive haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaha


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: the KR3AT3R on March 24, 2013, 03:58:21 pm
>_<

Im going out on a limb here and saying that Madden is at least more competetive.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Λυтυмη on March 24, 2013, 04:02:21 pm
Not competitive? I've seen more cod competitions then I have of any other game


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 24, 2013, 04:03:49 pm
Nobody said it's not competitive, but I think it's very dubious to argue that it's the most competitive. Especially compared to something like Starcraft or Street Fighter.

Also the reason you have seen more cod competitions then any other game is because your not looking for anything but cod. I've seen hundreds of fighting game and rts tournaments, but I haven't seen one cod competition because I haven't been looking.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 24, 2013, 04:04:07 pm
Honestly, I don't know how you could say one game is more competitive than another :/ unless it isn't head to head.

Squire, how do you define competitiveness of a game? Just curious why you would rank another game higher?


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 24, 2013, 04:08:29 pm
Well, this very convo was defining it by how many people were playing it and how serious they are about it, in which case I don't think there's any argument considering that Starcraft is a national sport in Korea.

I'm more talking about the competitiveness of the player base here, not the actual depth of the game.

You could ask me what I think makes one competitive game better then another, but that's an entirely different convo.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Laughing Turd on March 24, 2013, 04:09:03 pm
Also the reason you have seen more cod competitions then any other game is because your not looking for anything but cod.

^ Post of the century. I dont care if someone truly likes CoD but the community as a whole seems to be completely blind to everything else and then come up with statements such as:

It is the biggest and most competitive community.


Go to twitch.tv and what are the top 5 games being watched? LoL, StarCraft, DOTA, WoW, and Runescape. LoL has almost 55k people tuned in right now.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 24, 2013, 04:29:13 pm
the reason you have seen more cod competitions then any other game is because your not looking for anything but cod.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Crzy on March 24, 2013, 04:47:35 pm
Just a random post here but CoD is more casual than anything. The majority of players are weekend warriors or people who only play a couple matches then log off. Look at the number of people playing League Play(which is designed for the competitive players) and you'll understand how the competitive side of CoD is probably less than 5% of the total players.

I'm pretty sure Fighter games and those MMOs have a LOT more players dedicating their lives to practicing strategies and learning new attacks/combos.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 24, 2013, 05:14:23 pm
I guess I just assumed, because it is the most popular fps of all time... and FPS seems to be the hype now days


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 24, 2013, 05:50:26 pm
Well, this very convo was defining it by how many people were playing it and how serious they are about it, in which case I don't think there's any argument considering that Starcraft is a national sport in Korea.

I'm more talking about the competitiveness of the player base here, not the actual depth of the game.

You could ask me what I think makes one competitive game better then another, but that's an entirely different convo.

That's why I asked because I agree that the definition varies. I personally don't play cod that often, but when I play I play to win because I'm extremely competitive. I feel it's more about the individual than the game. For example, I've played many games that people would not consider competitive, but I simply competed with myself...beat my scores or my best times or whatever. So, it's the people more than the game.

Also the reason you have seen more cod competitions then any other game is because your not looking for anything but cod.

^ Post of the century. I dont care if someone truly likes CoD but the community as a whole seems to be completely blind to everything else and then come up with statements such as:

It is the biggest and most competitive community.


Go to twitch.tv and what are the top 5 games being watched? LoL, StarCraft, DOTA, WoW, and Runescape. LoL has almost 55k people tuned in right now.

Sorry LT but a statement like this is way too general. Crazy said that most cod players are weekend warriors, etc. and if that's the case then I highly doubt they are solely focused on cod. I know I'm certainly not.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Laughing Turd on March 24, 2013, 06:55:22 pm
in terms of video games and the cod community, no, I wouldn't say that's too much of a stretch. too many people only play cod and turn a blind eye to most everything else, especially on youtube.

it's the source for a lot of the complaints in the overall gaming community too because not only does it create a huge mass of low tier players that do  occasionally migrate to other games, but it also causes bad developers to try and tailor their games/entire genres to that same crowd that only wants to focus on call of duty. but this is an entirely seperate topic


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 24, 2013, 07:15:47 pm
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/03/13/call-of-duty-red-orchestra-2-interview/


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 24, 2013, 07:44:33 pm
Hold on a second, I'm not debating the merits of cod as a game here and what it has supposedly done to FPSs. We were discussing competitiveness of a game, so let's stay focused on that shall we. And yes I did read your post Squire, but that is one person's opinion and there is nothing to give legitimacy to his opinion on whether or not a game is competitive. Actually it sounded like he was more complaining about the skill level required to do well, which is not the discussion at hand.

So, back to competitiveness.

LT, are you saying that soccer is more competitive than American Football or Hockey or Basketball or College sports because it is more watched? So, I disagree with your "blind eye" comment and the fact that 55k people are watching other games being played, making them more competitive. Just because people aren't watching doesn't mean it isn't competitive.

So, again, I ask you why CoD isn't competitive compared to other games? Because some guy says you don't need as much skill to do well? The game obviously differentiates skill because the same people that do well in a game do well the next game, etc. It may not be the skills that "true gamers" feel are needed in a game like that, but there is still skill required.

Competitiveness has to do with the people playing unless the game somehow completely evens the playing field, which it doesn't.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 24, 2013, 07:50:48 pm
it's the source for a lot of the complaints in the overall gaming community too because not only does it create a huge mass of low tier players that do  occasionally migrate to other games, but it also causes bad developers to try and tailor their games/entire genres to that same crowd that only wants to focus on call of duty. but this is an entirely seperate topic

This. This. This. Ohhhhh boy, this.

Also, being "competitive" while playing online isn't competitive gaming. That's still just casual gaming. Competitive is when money and tournaments are involved. When it comes to that, CoD is nothing. It's just heavily funded because of all the fools that keep supporting it. Myself included, but not anymore.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 24, 2013, 07:52:55 pm
Any game that differentiates skill, even slightly, can be competitive. I don't recall anyone here at any point saying that COD isn't competitive.

I think your confusing the competitiveness of the game, which we aren't really talking about, with the competitiveness of the player base, which is what we are talking about.

All I'm saying, is that I don't think you can argue that COD's player base is more serious about the game then something like Korean Starcraft, where top players not only dedicate their entire lives to playing, but get flown in to tournaments and events on freaking private jets and play in ****ing giant amphitheaters.

If you want to talk about how competitive the game itself is, that's another discussion altogether. In fact "competitive" is probably the wrong word. A better word would be "depth". Aka "how deep is Cod" or "what makes those other games deeper then COD". But like I said that's not the topic at hand I don't think.

Also, being "competitive" while playing online isn't competitive gaming. That's still just casual gaming. Competitive is when money and tournaments are involved.
Wrong. Competitive is playing to win. If your competing against someone, then you're being competitive. You can be competitive with a small circle of friends, or you can be competitive in the big leagues. But both are playing to win and both are simply different levels of the same experience.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 24, 2013, 08:03:10 pm
That's true if you're defiing a person who "plays competitively".

When you're comparing a casual gamer to something else, I would call someone who just plays CoD online and is 'competitive' a casual gamer. I think this is the casual vs. **** thing though.

I guess calling yourself competitive is fine, but you're still casual. That's what I mean.

I just have problems with CoD only players, okiedoke


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 24, 2013, 08:04:32 pm
I brought up the competitive game thing because the article you posted was more focused on the game and how it is watered down, etc.

But I still disagree, I don't care how many tournaments, etc. there are for a game (and I didn't check to see how CoD ranks against the other ones) and DG can talk about 'casual gamers' all he wants, but when I pick up a game I'm competitive and I'm playing a game. That's an elitist attitude and wrong (which I see that you stated Squire, so we agree on that).

I'm sure the top CoD players are extremely competitive and they play CoD all the time....much like the gamers from these other games. So, Squire, how can you use your logic that the other games are more competitive?? Again, you are referring to people committing their lives, being flown in, etc. All that means is that there is more money on the line (again I didn't search to find out how much money is on the line with CoD), but that doesn't make it more "competitive". That just makes it more lucrative.

Now, if you are talking per capita in terms of competitiveness, that might be a different story; however, I've known lots of WoW players that were what DG would call casual, so I'm not even sure the per capita would stand up in every situation.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 24, 2013, 08:17:50 pm
[/i]rdcore]Despite my constant teasing of people for being casual, I admit that ****/casual discussions are ****ing stupid (http://bitmob.com/articles/terms-gamers-need-to-stop-misusing-casual-and-ha[i)

lol **** **** I can't link to the damn article because of your stupid censor.

http://bitmob.com/articles/terms-gamers-need-to-stop-misusing-casual-and-{INSERT THE YOU KNOW WHAT WORD HERE}

Anyway I only posted that article because Laughing Turd or whoever started talking about the game itself, and something he said just reminded me of that article so I posted it. Has nothing to do with the topoic at hand.

I'm sure the top CoD players are extremely competitive and they play CoD all the time....much like the gamers from these other games. So, Squire, how can you use your logic that the other games are more competitive??
Again, I'm not talking about how competitive the game itself is.

This whole thing is probably just some sort of misunderstanding. I only responded to Autumn because she said "Cod is the biggest and most competitive game" which as I said is very hard to argue. Now I don't know the figures so I can't say if it's the biggest game (I doubt it). But I don't think you can argue that it's the most competitively played game no matter how your defining competitive.

Do you mean that the player base is more serious about the game? There are more serious player bases.
Do you mean the player base is larger? There are larger player bases.
Do you mean the player base is larger and more serious about the game in general? There are larger and more serious player bases.

If your going to define competition as something that comes in degrees, with some games being more competitive then others, then however you slice it there are games that far, far, far outdo cod in those regards.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 24, 2013, 09:26:39 pm
No, I'm simply talking about the players as you say and I'm saying that lucrative tournaments doesn't define their competitiveness. Not talking about the game because I agree that is not the topic at hand even though it was referenced by others.

You stated the Korean example as being more "competitive", but why? I'm sure the top CoD players put just as many hours into their playing. Lets just compare the top players. Like I stated it could get watered down if you look at the entire community (the per capita thing), but I haven't sized up all of thd communities either.

So are you saying the top CoD players can't compare to other gamers in terms of competitveness? That's my question to you and what proof do you have other than your example of more lucrative tournaments....


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 24, 2013, 09:27:28 pm
And when I said games last time I really meant the gamers, not the games.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 24, 2013, 09:32:43 pm
So are you saying the top CoD players can't compare to other gamers in terms of competitveness? That's my question to you and what proof do you have other than your example of more lucrative tournaments....
I wouldn't say that they can't compare, but I do think that most of the top Starcraft players take the game more seriously then most of the top COD players, and that there are a greater number of them who have this mindset.

Now, I cannot exactly prove it without digging through enormous amounts of statistics and surveys, but if you are familiar with the fervor that this game has world wide, as well as the sheer amount of time, devotion, and mental energy that the high level players devote to this game, I think you would agree that Starcrafts player base is far more devoted and large then CODs. It is, after all, the stuff of legends.

I would be willing to argue the same for other games as well, like various fighters and other rts. I do think there are many games out there have have staggeringly larger communities of devoted, competitive players. But like I said, I don't feel like digging up any statistics, interviews, or combing through every high level players journal to see how much time they spend playing, so this is merely my opinion (but, I think you'll find it one that is very close to the truth, all things considered).


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Laughing Turd on March 24, 2013, 10:48:45 pm
Hold on a second, I'm not debating the merits of cod as a game here and what it has supposedly done to FPSs. We were discussing competitiveness of a game, so let's stay focused on that shall we. And yes I did read your post Squire, but that is one person's opinion and there is nothing to give legitimacy to his opinion on whether or not a game is competitive. Actually it sounded like he was more complaining about the skill level required to do well, which is not the discussion at hand.

So, back to competitiveness.

LT, are you saying that soccer is more competitive than American Football or Hockey or Basketball or College sports because it is more watched? So, I disagree with your "blind eye" comment and the fact that 55k people are watching other games being played, making them more competitive. Just because people aren't watching doesn't mean it isn't competitive.

So, again, I ask you why CoD isn't competitive compared to other games? Because some guy says you don't need as much skill to do well? The game obviously differentiates skill because the same people that do well in a game do well the next game, etc. It may not be the skills that "true gamers" feel are needed in a game like that, but there is still skill required.

Competitiveness has to do with the people playing unless the game somehow completely evens the playing field, which it doesn't.

Oh I see where the misunderstanding is. My argument wasn't to counter yours. My original comment was just to state that the cod community at large is blind to most other things out there and i used Autumn's post of proof. More specific to my point was that cod is the "largest" competitive community. the 55k people simply watching the game online helped prove that statement wrong.

howerver, she also went on to say that she had never seen a larger competitive community and that also comes into line with my claim that the typical cod fan simply doesn't know about much else because they don't want to. LoL is simply and factually a bigger competitive scene.

I wasn't arguing over competitive levels or anything.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 24, 2013, 11:01:52 pm
I don't see how the number of viewers has to do with anything but ok.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Laughing Turd on March 24, 2013, 11:13:53 pm
and again i should have been more specific. the cod viewings were only at 2 or 3 thousand and those numbers are pretty typical. CoD is not nearly the largest competitive community.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: ĪSaucelotĪ on March 24, 2013, 11:29:48 pm
I didn't read most of the posts I'm on a timetable here, but I do want to add this thing I heard a few weeks ago.  Perhaps a little off topic, but not discussion.

It was talking about how CoD releases a new game every year, and every competitive player has to adapt to the new environment to keep up, even though it is extremely familiar.  Some gameplay element are tweaked or changed year to year, maps change, weapons change and fire differently that sort of stuff.  

It then talked about Counter Strike for example and how most **** players at it still play 2.0 or whatever, and have been playing with the same gameplay elements and what not for years and years, which allows them to hone their skills a lot sharper than playing a game for less than a year and switching over, along with most of the community to a new game each 23rd day of november.  

I'm not arguing anything is more competitive, nor if anyone is immature or just in the heat of the moment, just adding something I had read.  I'd link you the article, but I dont have time.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on March 24, 2013, 11:45:29 pm
Honestly I could care less about who has the largest competitive gaming community.. I just hate how DG always takes shots at cod because it's too mainstream for him.

Everyone kind of went off on my comment when really I just said it make DG upset. I think we should be arguing about what this topic was really made about. DG saying Cod is the worst community is a joke... he showed a rage compilation, that proves little to nothing.




Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 25, 2013, 01:07:11 am
I didn't actually watch the original video.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 25, 2013, 12:38:16 pm
Honestly I could care less about who has the largest competitive gaming community.. I just hate how DG always takes shots at cod because it's too mainstream for him.

Everyone kind of went off on my comment when really I just said it make DG upset. I think we should be arguing about what this topic was really made about. DG saying Cod is the worst community is a joke... he showed a rage compilation, that proves little to nothing.


Going online and hearing everyone just swear at each other proves something. Going on YT and finding tons of people who just play CoD and don't even know about huge, awesome games like The Last of Us says something. Tons of CoD players are blind.

It being mainstream has nothing to do with anything. I love mainstream things. People are silly. I barely play indie games. That says basically the opposite of what you just accused me of.  b)


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Λυтυмη on March 25, 2013, 12:46:34 pm
Same with mine craft, league of legends and WoW... It's not just cod... And cod is definitely not the worst..


And yes it seems every game that gets too popular, you have a problem with it.. Cod, assassins creed and gta are a few I can think of right now.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 25, 2013, 01:12:27 pm
"So I do get pretty down on people that - you see some of the indie developers that really take a snooty attitude about this. It's almost as if it's popular, it's not good. And that's just not true."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/312067/call-of-duty-criticism-unfounded-says-carmack/

He references developers, but obviously that has rubbed off on gamers as well....


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on March 25, 2013, 01:28:44 pm
And this is probably the article Oce was talking about. He makes a good point:

http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/39021/heres-why-pro-gamers-pass-on-call-of-duty


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 25, 2013, 01:56:22 pm
Same with mine craft, league of legends and WoW... It's not just cod... And cod is definitely not the worst..


And yes it seems every game that gets too popular, you have a problem with it.. Cod, assassins creed and gta are a few I can think of right now.

CoD and ACreed just aren't that good anymore, and they just keep getting re hashed. Nothing to do with popularity. With GTA I just don't see what many others see that's so interesting. Oh well. GTA V will be fun I'm sure.

There are tons of other mainstream games that I love. That is not a factor whatsoever as to whether or not I like a game. I love God of War, Uncharted, Fallout, Borderlands, Elder Scrolls, Metal Gear, etc. etc. etc.  ??? I like Bioshock, Dead Space, Far Cry, etc. etc. etc.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on March 25, 2013, 03:00:22 pm
Yeah, a lot of my friends play Dota and LoL and seemingly nothing else.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: TH3 NAZ1 on March 31, 2013, 06:27:11 am
I have certainly achieved my share of entertainment for the day.



Thank-you, everyone that has posted so far in this thread.



Thank-you.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on March 31, 2013, 02:08:51 pm
 O0


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Red Fatality on March 31, 2013, 10:18:54 pm
I bet at home these fools **** in a bucket so they don't have to get up.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: GUMBY-KID on April 01, 2013, 11:09:26 am
I bet at home these fools **** in a bucket so they don't have to get up.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9xgp5yGk9nY


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on April 03, 2013, 09:52:06 am
Couldn't help but throw this out there considering this thread is still fairly recent:

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/video-game-rage-violent-imagery-isnt-the-trigger-researchers-say

"While rage stemming from video games is common, there are different theories about what triggers it. Some suggest it's the violent images in the games, but a 2011 study conducted by researchers at Brock University indicated that the most influential factor in video game rage is the level of competition involved. "

"Adachi concluded that people who played highly competitive games behaved more aggressively than those who played the less competitive games. "

And according to DG, most ragers are CoD players  :-\ Apply a little deductive reasoning and.....


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Λυтυмη on April 03, 2013, 10:20:01 am
You dare challenge the almighty DG??


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Paranoid71 on April 03, 2013, 01:50:49 pm
dude i love COD, DG hates cod because he sucks at it probably


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Crzy on April 03, 2013, 02:10:44 pm
Couldn't help but throw this out there considering this thread is still fairly recent:

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/video-game-rage-violent-imagery-isnt-the-trigger-researchers-say

"While rage stemming from video games is common, there are different theories about what triggers it. Some suggest it's the violent images in the games, but a 2011 study conducted by researchers at Brock University indicated that the most influential factor in video game rage is the level of competition involved. "

"Adachi concluded that people who played highly competitive games behaved more aggressively than those who played the less competitive games. "

And according to DG, most ragers are CoD players  :-\ Apply a little deductive reasoning and.....

I consider BEING competitive and PLAYING competitive as two different things though. Being competitive might be as simple as just wanting to outscore your friend. Or trying to go on a win streak with your friends. Or even maintaining a K/D, W/L, or SPM.

Playing Competitive on the other hand means dedicating time, skill, and practice/strategies/callouts to win money against other teams doing the very same. And in this definition, I consider fighter games and MMO's to be a higher competitive level than CoD because there's a much higher player base dedicating their lives to perfecting the game/combos.

The problem with CoD is, everyone you face in pub games thinks they're the absolute best at it so they talk **** to anyone and everyone, even if they're not good. If they have a high K/D but face someone higher than them, they will either play and dashboard if they're losing or having a bad game, or they will back and out of the lobby before the game and look for noobs. That to me isn't PLAYING Competitive and it's simply people putting too much into their imaginary stats that they didn't really earn.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Termin8or on April 03, 2013, 02:45:21 pm
It's a huge community, so there are definitely some people in pubs that act the way you say. That doesn't change the competitive play of others though.

Basically what I was pointing out is the relationship between rage and competitiveness of the players. DG said it was disgusting that these CoD players were raging and taunting, etc. I posted the article to show that competitiveness encourages that behavior, so his analysis of the players was off base, which I contended all along. This just backs my stance and shows that DG was merely trying to attack the CoD community, game, and players.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Autumn1194 on April 03, 2013, 07:16:29 pm
It's a huge community, so there are definitely some people in pubs that act the way you say. That doesn't change the competitive play of others though.

Basically what I was pointing out is the relationship between rage and competitiveness of the players. DG said it was disgusting that these CoD players were raging and taunting, etc. I posted the article to show that competitiveness encourages that behavior, so his analysis of the players was off base, which I contended all along. This just backs my stance and shows that DG was merely trying to attack the CoD community, game, and players.


totes


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on April 03, 2013, 09:36:35 pm
Of course I'm just trying to attack the CoD community, for the most part it's garbage and full of immature whiny kids... and adults.

I never said it had anything to do with the violence. That's silly talk. I don't know why CoD has attracted the audience it has, but it has.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: Squire Grooktook on April 04, 2013, 01:46:41 am
Sturgeon's Law effects communities just as much as it does genre's of fiction.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: TH3 NAZ1 on April 06, 2013, 07:57:29 am
Of course I'm just trying to attack the CoD community, for the most part it's garbage and full of immature whiny kids... and adults.

I never said it had anything to do with the violence. That's silly talk. I don't know why CoD has attracted the audience it has, but it has.
CoD:4 and World at War didn't have such a community that it does today. All the mature people left probably after MW3 or even Black Ops perhaps.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: DoubleGunz on April 06, 2013, 11:31:50 am
It really started at MW2 when it blew up with hype and mass appeal, and started going down the simplicity and easy to pick up and play route.


Title: Re: This is upsetting.
Post by: TH3 NAZ1 on April 08, 2013, 01:53:07 pm
It really started at MW2 when it blew up with hype and mass appeal, and started going down the simplicity and easy to pick up and play route.
It will never be as simple as it was. Therefore I refuse to buy anything else with Call of Duty in it's name.