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Title: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: The Krazy One on June 15, 2013, 12:15:14 pm
E3 2013 is now over. We have learned more about the other two next-gen consoles that are coming out this year and their games. Straight forward question. Do you plan on getting an Xbox One at anytime? Yes can also mean sometime down the line if you're interested in it. Vote away!  O0

We can also discuss why or why not.

Edit: Microsoft just confirmed some changes to what they planned. Does this change your mind?
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 15, 2013, 12:26:35 pm
I think this whole thing shows Microsoft's way of looking at things. Even if they change everything and go the opposite direction, I still don't trust that they won't turn back around and try to squeeze us for money again. I think if they survive this whole fiasco they'll probably go back later on and introduce more stupid policies.

I don't think I'll be getting one.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 15, 2013, 04:54:32 pm
MAYBE down the road if they actively redeem themselves.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 15, 2013, 08:23:23 pm
If I can substitute it for my wife when I'm in the doghouse...if ya know what I mean.   ^-^


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 15, 2013, 08:32:50 pm
I DON'T QUITE FOLLOW


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 15, 2013, 09:10:21 pm
Well, I'll need something to satisfy my sexual urges.  :P


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 15, 2013, 10:50:56 pm
An anime body pillow would be less expensive...


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 15, 2013, 10:59:31 pm
Awesome!   So then Jankbox is out of the question. 


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Autumn1194 on June 16, 2013, 01:08:17 am
I'm going to get an Xbox one. I like it more because the controller is better looking than the ps4 and wii u controllers.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 16, 2013, 03:00:59 am
can't tell if srs


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Slaught3r on June 16, 2013, 08:40:54 am
can't tell if srs

She's kidding, she got ripped for a similar comment awhile back.


I am not sure which way to go :-\   I am going to see how the ecosystems develop and how many other devices in my life they can eliminate..

Roku
Cable box
Netflix
hulu
cloud services
music manager


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 16, 2013, 02:54:33 pm
the controller is better looking than the ps4 and wii u controllers.

I still cannot understand why Xbots push this so hard. The buttons and sticks are placed in an area where they're easily accessible by your thumb so it literally makes no difference. They just slightly alter the placement for each system. The way it looks to me, it's only stupid kids who were born in the year 1999 or after who have a problem and that automatically makes their opinions completely dumb and useless anyway. Everyone before that played with a large selection of controllers, including the Playstation's, and nobody ever really had an issue with it.

If you can't adapt to a slightly different button layout you seriously need to fuck off.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Crzy on June 16, 2013, 06:00:13 pm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/N64-controller-black1.jpg

^Talk about altering lol.


Anyway, I never liked the concave sticks on the 360, they made it uncomfortable to play more than 30 minutes.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 16, 2013, 06:08:06 pm
I still stick to "the controllers are based on preference/what you're used to." It's also funny how the Xbox controller is slightly more like the PS3 one, and the PS4 one is slightly more like the 360 one. Silliness.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Tiger on June 18, 2013, 01:47:09 am
Anyway, I never liked the concave sticks on the 360, they made it uncomfortable to play more than 30 minutes.
I'm the opposite, I don't like the convex, but I'm used to it after N64 and GameCube controllers.

I understand the reasoning behind most of what Microsoft is doing, and it had to be done eventually, but I still don't think I can support it.  I'm far more likely to get a PS4, if I decide to stick to console gaming.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 18, 2013, 02:12:07 am
I understand the reasoning behind most of what Microsoft is doing, and it had to be done eventually, but I still don't think I can support it.
So you think that drm so insane that you can't even play your own damn games if you don't have your internet hooked up for microsoft to baby sit you is something that "had to be done eventually"?

If that's the future of gaming, I want no part of it.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Tiger on June 18, 2013, 02:50:38 am
It is the future of gaming, sad as it is.  As much as we complain, and I agree that it's stupid, 95% of the people complaining have internet connection 24/7.  Only very few would it even affect.

I do think that the online "no-sharing" policy is dumb though, because a ton of their sales come from friends borrowing games to other friends.  Most of the games I own are because I borrowed it first.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 18, 2013, 03:55:36 am
It is the future of gaming, sad as it is.  As much as we complain, and I agree that it's stupid, 95% of the people complaining have internet connection 24/7.  Only very few would it even affect.
No. I will not tolerate this, and neither should you. Neither should you resign to it being fate.

I am not paying 50 ****ing dollars for a game, just so it can be revoked at any time or denied access to it because I've moved away from my internet or there's a power outage or some bull****. I will not buy any system that has anything like this on it, and I hope you nor anybody else will support such things.

Maybe I'm old fasioned, but when you buy something, it's so you OWN it. This isn't a damn amusement park ticket where your paying for the privledge to access their rides. If I'm going to pay good money for a game, I should be able to take it to a damn desert island and not have to worry that it's gonna be yanked out of my hands by the internet strings the developers tied to it.

I mean for ****s sake, Steam has bull**** drm that can ban you from your own games, but at least it has a damn offline mode so you can play when you don't have your internet up or could use to keep playing your games if you were banned from Steam. Geez. And even with that, I'm going to be buying all my most treasured games from Desura, Gog, retail, etc. so that I can look into the games folder on my laptop with pride and know that I bought the games, I supported the developers, and I can take them to a desert island if I wish because they don't have some male cattle dung drm self destruct wired into them if your internet goes offline.

Like I said, if this is the future of gaming, then I'm not gonna be there.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 18, 2013, 05:02:25 am
Good rant, would read again.   O0


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Tiger on June 18, 2013, 07:49:35 am
It is the future of gaming, sad as it is.  As much as we complain, and I agree that it's stupid, 95% of the people complaining have internet connection 24/7.  Only very few would it even affect.
No. I will not tolerate this, and neither should you. Neither should you resign to it being fate.
I'm not really tolerating it, which is why I voted to not buying the Xbox One, I'm just trying to look at both sides of the coin.  I'm still with Sony on this one.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Termin8or on June 18, 2013, 09:40:38 am
It is the future of gaming, sad as it is.  As much as we complain, and I agree that it's stupid, 95% of the people complaining have internet connection 24/7.  Only very few would it even affect.
No. I will not tolerate this, and neither should you. Neither should you resign to it being fate.

I am not paying 50 ****ing dollars for a game, just so it can be revoked at any time or denied access to it because I've moved away from my internet or there's a power outage or some bull****. I will not buy any system that has anything like this on it, and I hope you nor anybody else will support such things.

Maybe I'm old fasioned, but when you buy something, it's so you OWN it. This isn't a damn amusement park ticket where your paying for the privledge to access their rides. If I'm going to pay good money for a game, I should be able to take it to a damn desert island and not have to worry that it's gonna be yanked out of my hands by the internet strings the developers tied to it.

I mean for ****s sake, Steam has bull**** drm that can ban you from your own games, but at least it has a damn offline mode so you can play when you don't have your internet up or could use to keep playing your games if you were banned from Steam. Geez. And even with that, I'm going to be buying all my most treasured games from Desura, Gog, retail, etc. so that I can look into the games folder on my laptop with pride and know that I bought the games, I supported the developers, and I can take them to a desert island if I wish because they don't have some bull**** drm self destruct wired into them if your internet goes offline.

Like I said, if this is the future of gaming, then I'm not gonna be there.

I've always had a similar rant about games that require you to complete levels, etc. in order to unlock future levels. It's not that I can't play through and open everything up, it just pisses me off that I can't go straight to a level that I may want to play or use a certain character, etc. If I bought the game then I damn well better be able to play every part of it with no restrictions. That's always pissed me off because I don't always have enough time to play through everything....


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 18, 2013, 11:02:31 am
So you're not a fan of Mario games, I take it?


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Termin8or on June 18, 2013, 11:21:35 am
Exactly!!! Lol. Actually I like them but I **** about having to unlock stuff that I've paid for


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 18, 2013, 11:29:27 am
That's reasonable I guess.  I can't really sympathize since my life is full of free time (and will be for at least the next year).  I like the sense of progression through success, but that probably doesn't mesh well with busy people and hard levels.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Termin8or on June 18, 2013, 11:35:14 am
It's like this, I can guarantee that anyone that loves to complete levels would still complete every level even if all levels and characters were open to start with. You will do it to prove that you can and will have fun doing it. So, my thought is that by opening it, nobody is losing anything. The proof I have of that is that people will go back and replay levels that they have already beaten....or replay entire games.

And yes, I know about your free time  :P You don't have to rub it in  :P


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 18, 2013, 11:45:38 am
(smirk)

I just hate seeing things that might spoil upcoming levels, especially if it's a story-driven game.  Like, for instance, if The Last of Us had a chapter selection screen where you could hop into the game at any point, I'd probably hate it as I could potentially see the next few chapters' images and might spoil something for myself.

It's a minor complaint and could easily be fixed, but it's my worry with those things.  That's not to contradict what you're saying though, because obviously that's the case.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Termin8or on June 18, 2013, 11:49:59 am
Yes I agree, that is a possibility and I wouldn't like that either, but I think that could be fixed like you said.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: The Krazy One on June 18, 2013, 12:13:13 pm
So you don't like the majority of games out there? That's all I'll say about it.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 18, 2013, 12:21:46 pm
Unlocking things is fun.

Also, people are heavily overreacting to X1. It's inevitable.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 18, 2013, 12:24:07 pm
Wait, how are they overreacting?


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 18, 2013, 12:25:20 pm
I don't like typing, and I'm leaving for the gym right now. I argued about it with my friends in the last podcast I just put up if you wanna listen.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 18, 2013, 12:28:55 pm
I'd rather have a two-way conversation.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Termin8or on June 18, 2013, 12:33:19 pm
How about a three way  ^-^


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: The Krazy One on June 18, 2013, 01:31:05 pm
Here are some bullet points from what DG said on Ep.7 of his LudoLingo podcast about it. Just from what I remember.

- If it doesn't affect him directly, he doesn't care about it. (We've seen this in the past)
- Most people have internet already so it wouldn't affect those people.
- If people in areas without a good internet connection would like to use the features, move to an area with good connections.
- Those complaining about the Xbox One don't like change.
- This change will eventually lower game prices. (I think he was talking digital download here)

Those were the points I remembered from it.

Also, I voted no because I wasn't going to get the new Xbox anyway. If I made a poll about the PS4 I would have voted no there too.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 18, 2013, 01:47:39 pm
lmao you make it sound so bad, and like I'm an Xbox fanboy.

I was basically saying it has become such a bandwagon thing. I have NOTHING against what they're doing, because it will happen eventually anyways. Microsoft is smart about doing things first and planning ahead. About the bandwagon thing. There are people like me that like Sony, and tend to rip on Microsoft because they've been behind lately. I have my reasons for that. However, I have nothing against the DRM or the "always online" thing. The only thing that is odd is the sharing with friends thing. However, I still post anti-X1 gifs because they're funny. That's bandwagoning. I feel like there are thousands of people that are bashing the X1 even though once it's out and it's running and you see all the benefits, they probably wouldn't even care about these "negative" features. They just want to hate on it like everyone else. Sure, there are people that don't have access to good internet constantly that have a right to complain, but like Dom said, it's NOT FOR THEM. There's no rule saying it has to be marketed to everyone. They want people that can thrive in an always online community to buy the system. There are TONS of people complaining about this that probably are always connected to their gaming system anyways. That's just stupid.

Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has zero interest in buying the X1, and will fully support Sony if they continue to pour out quality exclusive after quality exclusive. That's why I like Sony. Not because of this stupid 'not always online' crap. That doesn't affect me.

Edit: Oh, and about how I said "it will happen eventually anyways" I am referring to how it is highly likely gaming will be fully digital, or at least extremely focused on digital gaming by next generation (if it exists). I feel like Microsoft is preparing themselves for that so they can say they were on board with the always online first. If demand rises for more bandwidth, supply will increase. Internet is spreading more and more all the time. Eventually, it is safe to assume that everywhere (for the most part) will have decent access to it.

Dem funny gifs tho

http://i.minus.com/ibcj6IIHES2ffw.gif
http://i.minus.com/i02sFV0ZzcTpX.gif


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: The Krazy One on June 18, 2013, 01:51:10 pm
I never said or even tried to imply that you were an xbox fanboy.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 18, 2013, 01:55:17 pm
I just read it in a weird tone, I guess.  :-X


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 18, 2013, 02:36:45 pm
I was basically saying it has become such a bandwagon thing.

This does nothing to detract from the intent behind the outrage.

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I have NOTHING against what they're doing, because it will happen eventually anyways.

Wait, what?  That is awful logic.  Do you apply this to other things as well, or just for DRM?  "Oh, well the NSA was going to spy on us eventually so I don't hold it against the US government."

Come on DG, you know better than that.

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Microsoft is smart about doing things first and planning ahead.

You're going to have to name some specific things here.  Microsoft is a software company, and I can't think of anything innovative they've ever done.

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However, I have nothing against the DRM or the "always online" thing.

Which is what I want you to elaborate on.  I couldn't care less about this:

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However, I still post anti-X1 gifs because they're funny. That's bandwagoning. I feel like there are thousands of people that are bashing the X1 even though once it's out and it's running and you see all the benefits, they probably wouldn't even care about these "negative" features. They just want to hate on it like everyone else.

Bandwagoning happens, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the legitimacy of the complaints.  I feel like you're using that as an example of why the DRM isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be (i.e. why they're "overreacting"), but it couldn't possibly be any less related to that concern.  That would be like saying breast cancer isn't as bad as everyone is saying simply because everyone and their mother has a pink ribbon somewhere in their house/on their car.

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Sure, there are people that don't have access to good internet constantly that have a right to complain, but like Dom said, it's NOT FOR THEM. There's no rule saying it has to be marketed to everyone.

But apparently there is a rule that says these people shouldn't express their contempt for that policy?  They have every right to complain about a product that was marketed to them as gamers that they will not be able to use.

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They want people that can thrive in an always online community to buy the system. There are TONS of people complaining about this that probably are always connected to their gaming system anyways. That's just stupid.

Because it's the principle of the matter, not whether or not it directly effects them.  I'm pissed about the DRM policies even though I have a pretty constant internet connection because I don't want to see any other company thinking it's a good idea to follow suit.  I feel like this argument (which seems pretty well summed up by "It doesn't affect me so I don't care," as Krazy pointed out) is rather immature and selfish.


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Oh, and about how I said "it will happen eventually anyways" I am referring to how it is highly likely gaming will be fully digital, or at least extremely focused on digital gaming by next generation (if it exists). I feel like Microsoft is preparing themselves for that so they can say they were on board with the always online first. If demand rises for more bandwidth, supply will increase. Internet is spreading more and more all the time. Eventually, it is safe to assume that everywhere (for the most part) will have decent access to it.

And?  Either I'm failing to see your point or you don't have one.

The fact that most people have a constant internet connection does not give Microsoft the go-ahead for enforcing always-online DRM.  I don't see how you could possibly think it's okay for them to place restrictions on how you use a product that you bought independently of them.  As I'm sure you're aware, you don't have the ethical or moral right to do something simply because you have the means to.  And that's why this outrage is completely justified: Microsoft are attempting something that the gaming community is not okay with and sees as an ethical violation of principles that have been in place for decades.

I'm also curious as to why you didn't mention the Kinect being always on and always listening.  Is that the way of the future as well?  Are we going to laud Microsoft in the near future for being on the cutting edge of assisting government surveillance of the population?

I am honestly shocked that you have these opinions, DG.  I'm not sure if you hold them for the sake of being edgy or what, but I do know that if others think like you we gamers are going to be in a very shitty place in the not-too-distant future.


EDIT: I'm also curious to hear about what you think of the fact that most of the XBOne's television features won't be available to many people in the US and pretty much everyone outside the US.  Are those people overreacting that a console they buy at an inflated price won't perform a large chunk of the things that the US consumers can enjoy?  Are they not right to complain about that?


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 18, 2013, 03:57:15 pm
Also, people are heavily overreacting to X1. It's inevitable.
Nothing is inevitable. Fight the power.

Exactly!!! Lol. Actually I like them but I **** about having to unlock stuff that I've paid for
You're not quite unlocking, you're progressing.

I think the ideal way to solve this would be the nes way: Just include a secret cheat code in game for people to access all stages. That way, people who enjoy the progression and don't want to spoil themselves don't have to worry about that temptation

(and in a weird way, just having the option to skip to the end kinda hurts the dramatic feel of the game a bit. I kinda remember old games on the Snes where you actually had to wonder about what would come next, and it felt like a real adventure working your way up there. Of course now with the internet temptation is always present.)

and on the other hand people who want to see ahead just have to press a few buttons at the title screen to see ahead.

- Those complaining about the Xbox One don't like change.
You know, every single Mega Man villian has basically said this to the protagonist for objecting to his plan to kill all humans. Think about it.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 18, 2013, 04:03:33 pm
Damn, DG, major points loss from that opinion.  It's easy for a person like you that's had stuff handed to him to make those points of view, but what about people who actually want the system but can't financially sustain constant internet? Sure, MS may not have marketed them but it doesn't take thenfact away tjat they'll lose customers because they can't afford internet services.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 18, 2013, 04:08:10 pm
I have internet 24/7, but for a long ass time I had internet for like..3 out of 7 days? Yeah.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 18, 2013, 04:09:36 pm
also I somewhat agree with terminator about progression. that's why I hate COD, because I don't have enough time to put in like most of the people, so that means I'm at a disadvantage because I don't have all of the unlocks.  Gosh I just butchered that phrase.  :-\


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 18, 2013, 04:11:05 pm
I have internet 24/7, but for a long ass time I had internet for like..3 out of 7 days? Yeah.
exactly.  Or what if I go on a business trip and want to play in my hotel room that doesn't have wifi?  Welp, then im screwed.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 18, 2013, 04:25:39 pm
I think it's up to the developers to balance their games so that progression is rewarding without feeling like a huge time sink that prevents people with busy schedules from enjoying the game.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 18, 2013, 04:35:43 pm
Yup, that was a beautiful aspect of MoH; pick it up and shoot.  Pure skill was required.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Termin8or on June 18, 2013, 04:46:45 pm
Yup, that was a beautiful aspect of MoH; pick it up and shoot.  Pure skill was required.

Exactly. I have no problem with a cheat code. That gives me what I want, but there isn't always a cheat code or it isn't easy to do or remember or it's hard to find, etc. Anyway, I should have the option to unlock everything because I paid for the damn game. It could be as simple as "select this option to unlock all". If you don't want to unlock all because you want to progress then go for it...if you're too weak to control yourself then tough luck for you.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 18, 2013, 05:02:38 pm
Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.   

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/microsoft-boss-defends-xbox-one-price-200948425.html


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 18, 2013, 05:36:38 pm
Yup, that was a beautiful aspect of MoH; pick it up and shoot.  Pure skill was required.

Exactly. I have no problem with a cheat code. That gives me what I want, but there isn't always a cheat code or it isn't easy to do or remember or it's hard to find, etc. Anyway, I should have the option to unlock everything because I paid for the damn game. It could be as simple as "select this option to unlock all". If you don't want to unlock all because you want to progress then go for it...if you're too weak to control yourself then tough luck for you.

Personally I would just put the cheat code on the developers website or in the instruction manual that comes with the game. I know it's silly, but the idea of a freely available stage select, showing all the plot twists and interesting stuff, is in some ways a nagging, immersion breaking detail that would annoy me both as a player and a developer.

I'm all for giving the consumer more options (even when the option to "look ahead" would actively hurt the experience of many games if used), which is why I think a compromise is best to preserve the aesthetic of gaming (which is based on rules), while still letting people do as they wish. An easily obtainable cheat code is the best option methinks.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Tiger on June 18, 2013, 08:57:46 pm
also I somewhat agree with terminator about progression. that's why I hate COD, because I don't have enough time to put in like most of the people, so that means I'm at a disadvantage because I don't have all of the unlocks.  Gosh I just butchered that phrase.  :-\
I think that one fix for this could be by rewarding players with different weapons, but not necessarily better weapons.  For MW2, the best  SMG, LMG, ARs, and snipers were all available at the beginning, as well as Stopping Power.  I'm not saying the game was great, but you could do very well just hopping into the game for the first time.

I also like Halo for this reason, because it requires skill not based on the amount of time you've played.

For single player/RPGs, I really like the progression, but for online games, I think the playing field should always be even.  Gaining camos or titles is a good idea, because they are purely aesthetic, but don't affect gameplay.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 18, 2013, 09:49:39 pm
Any kind of competitive multiplayer game should NEVER have unlockables under any circumstances. Progression in such games is based on personal advancement alone, and any in game unlocks are just chores.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Tiger on June 19, 2013, 12:09:39 am
So let's say you start with all weapons and equipment/perks and whatnot.  Unlocking titles, emblems, and prestiges is bad in your opinion?  I can't say I'd agree.  I would be completely bored if it were not for the challenges in CoD.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 19, 2013, 01:19:06 am
Never said anything about titles. But really in a competitive game, titles are not an accurate reflection of the players skill anyway.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 19, 2013, 07:24:23 am
I would be completely bored if it were not for the challenges in CoD.

I never understood this point of view either. The most important thing to me when I play a game is winning. I can go 10-20 and still feel accomplished if I contributed in a meaningful way to the teams win. The challenge of winning is what makes a game fun for me. I also believe having to unlock everything is dumb. Give me all the weapons and attachments now and let me find the best suited tool for the specific moment. I want to find something that will help me win.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 11:48:00 am
I was basically trying to play devil's advocate here, and trying to get people to calm down and not react so crazily before the thing is even out. That's silly. You all know I've been a big PS fan the past few years, it's not like I am trying to defend my pride and joy. It's just that from my perspective, most of the stuff isn't a big deal. Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them. If you're opposed, don't buy it. I know I won't be, but it's not for those reasons.

About the whole "spying" thing. That's funny.

I would say that I am neutral on the X1 right now, and I don't want to judge before it's out. I feel like Microsoft is preparing for the long run, whereas Sony is capitalizing on how people feel right now. We'll see how that turns out.

I don't necessarily support what MS is doing, I just understand it. The online connection thing can lead to a lot of great experiences for games. The whole sharing games with friends thing is weird, and I don't like that. Cutting used games out makes sense to me, though. Game developers deserve more money. Sadly, it's going to go the wrong way and straight to publishers, I assume.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 19, 2013, 01:25:47 pm
I was basically trying to play devil's advocate here, and trying to get people to calm down and not react so crazily before the thing is even out. That's silly.

Responding with disdain to a decision made by a major company that is not in the favor of its customers is not reacting crazily.  That sort of rhetoric is what I'm concerned about with your posts.  Stop trying to discredit peoples' concerns by claiming they're overreacting or reacting "crazily".  That is intellectually dishonest.  Instead, try defending Microsoft's decisions on the merits of those decisions, as that is the topic that should be discussed.

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You all know I've been a big PS fan the past few years, it's not like I am trying to defend my pride and joy. It's just that from my perspective, most of the stuff isn't a big deal.

It's not a big deal for you.  You've already made it perfectly clear that you don't care about anything unless it directly affects you, which to most everyone is a decidedly immature and narrow-minded viewpoint.  Let's not act like your apathy is the right response to this.

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Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them. If you're opposed, don't buy it. I know I won't be, but it's not for those reasons.

I'm not going to buy it, but that does not disallow me (or others) from criticizing their decisions or the console itself.  What makes you think otherwise is beyond me.

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About the whole "spying" thing. That's funny.

Oh, yeah, the "spying" thing.  Let's put quotes around it as if to infer that's not what it is.

DG, I gotta say, I'm learning a lot about you from your comments that I'm really surprised by.

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I would say that I am neutral on the X1 right now, and I don't want to judge before it's out. I feel like Microsoft is preparing for the long run, whereas Sony is capitalizing on how people feel right now. We'll see how that turns out.

Which is another case of Microsoft trying to tell customers what they want whereas Sony is giving customers what they've asked for.  This is, of course, irrelevant to the conversation.  Not sure why you keep bringing it up.

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I don't necessarily support what MS is doing, I just understand it.

"Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them." - DoubleGunz

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The online connection thing can lead to a lot of great experiences for games.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "can" introduces a hypothetical scenario, no?

"Will", however, states a fact, as in "You will not be able to play your games if you do not have an internet connection once per day."

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Cutting used games out makes sense to me, though. Game developers deserve more money. Sadly, it's going to go the wrong way and straight to publishers, I assume.

Why would you think cutting out used games makes developers more money?


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 02:19:32 pm
Less people buying more new games > more people buying more used games. People that buy used games a lot aren't really helping the industry, especially not the developers themselves. Profit is made on software, not hardware. People that just buy a system then barely buy any new games for it aren't supporting the industry. So... cutting those people out just leaves the people who buy new. People aren't actually going to just stop buying games for that. If you love gaming, you will continue doing so. All you have left are the tons of people who actually buy new games, and eventually that can lead to lowered prices of games in the long run anyways. Especially on the digital front.

People are way too concerned with silly things like being spied on. Jeeze, you walk down the street and there are tons of cameras looking at you. Oh no! Your life is over! Ads being directed towards you because the companies know what you like! Apocalypse!

I am speaking about how the X1 affects me. You can all say how the X1 affects you. That's cool, that's what a conversation is for. To discuss how it doesn't affect me, and apparently, it does affect you. That's what this is. I see no problem with it.

About what I said about Microsoft future proofing, the obvious example is how they required broadband internet for the 360, everyone went crazy about that at the time because it wasn't readily available to everyone. Similar situation here.

Microsoft has said that they have more to announce in the months to come before release, so wait for all the information to be laid out. They've been kind of quiet and behind-the-scenes with all the "negative" information they have to offer, they probably want to see what people think first and then deliver the final product later this year.

When I said "Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them." it was sarcasm. As in, good for them, who cares... let's see where that ends up putting them in the long run. It's too soon to judge.

What I have learned about people on the internet over the past month or so:

Change is not allowed.
People are way too entitled.
If something isn't marketed towards you, it's bad.
People like to complain(or in this case the fanboys of other companies - brag) about things that don't concern them.


What really ****es me off are the people like me that had no interest in buying the new Xbox anyways, and probably wouldn't be affected by the way the internet connection works on it, yet still bash it as if it's the worst thing ever and it's ruining their lives.

I don't even like the Xbox at all, yet I'm sitting here defending it solely because literally everyone is against it and the reasons (while for some are legitimate) are just silly for others that are just agreeing to fit in.

I agree 100% with the people upset about these things because they directly affect them. People that don't have access to the internet all the time have a right to be upset, but you can't just scream at Microsoft until they listen. They were obviously prepared for backlash from people that they aren't trying to sell the console to. If the way the X1 works doesn't work for you, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. Move on, buy a PS4, or stick with a 360/PS3. Hell, build a PC. Whatever you need to do to continue gaming. It's not like the entire industry is flipped on it's head right now and to play any games you MUST have internet at all times. This is blown out of proportion. There are still options for everyone.

Gah, I hate writing my thoughts down. They never come out right, I'm much better at actually talking about things. I feel like when I type I come off really serious/arrogant, but really if I was talking to you I'd be grinning and having a good time.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 19, 2013, 02:37:53 pm
So let me get this straight; you're likening the complaints/criticisms of people toward MS as them being fanboys?  WTF?  So by your logic, if I think MC Donalds is dumb for starting to make crisscut fries over their traditional ones (that have worked marvelously for them) does that make me a fanboy of Burger King? Really!?! >_>

you're sounding more and more like an ignoramus everytime you post.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 02:49:36 pm
I am getting the feeling you guys think I'm directing my issues at you. I'm not, the main people I am ****ed about are the ones that go on Facebook, twitter, wherever and say things like "haha Xbox DONE has DRM lol it is **** #PS4" There are tons and tons of people saying things like that, if not even stupider, every single day and I'm tired of it.
People that probably have no idea what they're even saying, yet they blindly just bash Microsoft because everyone is. Yuck.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 19, 2013, 02:58:13 pm
Less people buying more new games > more people buying more used games. People that buy used games a lot aren't really helping the industry, especially not the developers themselves. Profit is made on software, not hardware. People that just buy a system then barely buy any new games for it aren't supporting the industry. So... cutting those people out just leaves the people who buy new. People aren't actually going to just stop buying games for that. If you love gaming, you will continue doing so. All you have left are the tons of people who actually buy new games, and eventually that can lead to lowered prices of games in the long run anyways. Especially on the digital front.

This is pretty much exactly the same as "piracy kills [insert industry]'s profits!"  Which isn't true.  Guess what: If I buy a used game, it's because I would not pay full price for it.  There is no other reason to buy a used game, given the inherent risk of the disk being scratched up that comes with doing so.

If someone buys a used game, you can be pretty confident they wouldn't buy the game at full price anyway.

Conversely, sharing games with friends (which falls into the realm of used games, to me, as loaning a game to a friend does not directly give developers money) may entice the friends to buy the game for themselves, which would directly benefit the developers.

I don't see how you and others can seriously argue that used games hurt developers when the video game industry has grown massively in the past few decades, despite people sharing games, pirating games, and buying used games.

Not only that, but it's not like buying new games necessarily directly benefits the developers.  Publishers fund most AAA games, like your Maddens and CoDs and BFs and Mass Effects.  Sure, more sales probably results in publishers requesting development of more games like that, but it's not a given.

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People are way too concerned with silly things like being spied on. Jeeze, you walk down the street and there are tons of cameras looking at you. Oh no! Your life is over!

What the actual f(http://)uck, DG?  Are you trolling or something?  I'm speechless.  I can't believe you're serious about this.

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Ads being directed towards you because the companies know what you like! Apocalypse!

This has literally nothing to do with advertisements.  This is about Microsoft willingly giving data to an intelligence agency that undeniably spies on not only Americans, but also citizens of other countries (including Canada).  This is about Microsoft introducing a console that requires an internet connection and a voice-detection + video system into its console.

Get your head out of your ass.

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I am speaking about how the X1 affects me. You can all say how the X1 affects you. That's cool, that's what a conversation is for. To discuss how it doesn't affect me, and apparently, it does affect you. That's what this is. I see no problem with it.

Where did I say it affects me?  I have no clue where you got that from.

In fact, I've been saying the opposite: It doesn't affect me, as I have no intention of buying it, but I'm mature enough to understand that something can be wrong without it directly influencing me in any way.  How you seem to be unable to do the same is concerning, to say the least.

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About what I said about Microsoft future proofing, the obvious example is how they required broadband internet for the 360, everyone went crazy about that at the time because it wasn't readily available to everyone. Similar situation here.

Except they didn't "require" broadband internet for the 360 in the same sense.  They required it for online gaming, which is understandable, as that was a feature that you had to pay for on top of the console.  Nor is that particularly visionary or, as you called it, evidence of "future proofing".

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Microsoft has said that they have more to announce in the months to come before release, so wait for all the information to be laid out. They've been kind of quiet and behind-the-scenes with all the "negative" information they have to offer, they probably want to see what people think first and then deliver the final product later this year.

Not sure what world you live in, but they definitely haven't been quiet about the negative information.  That's why everyone's upset, if you weren't aware.

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When I said "Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them." it was sarcasm. As in, good for them, who cares... let's see where that ends up putting them in the long run. It's too soon to judge.

But the point is that people do care, a point which despite my best attempts you still seem to be missing.

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What I have learned about people on the internet over the past month or so:

Change is not allowed.
People are way too entitled.
If something isn't marketed towards you, it's bad.

Holy hell DG, here you go again by deliberately misrepresenting the legitimate complaints of others.  This is absolutely pathetic.

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People like to complain(or in this case the fanboys of other companies - brag) about things that don't concern them.

Are you saying that those of us in this topic who are criticizing the moves Microsoft has made are fanboys for Sony?  F(http://)uck off with your strawmen arguments, dude.

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Ads being directed towards you because the companies know what you like! Apocalypse!

This has literally nothing to do with advertisements.  This is about Microsoft willingly giving data to an intelligence agency that undeniably spies on not only Americans, but also citizens of other countries (including Canada).  This is about Microsoft introducing a console that requires an internet connection and a voice-detection + video system into its console.

Get your head out of your ass.

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I am speaking about how the X1 affects me. You can all say how the X1 affects you. That's cool, that's what a conversation is for. To discuss how it doesn't affect me, and apparently, it does affect you. That's what this is. I see no problem with it.

Where did I say it affects me?  I have no clue where you got that from.

In fact, I've been saying the opposite: It doesn't affect me, as I have no intention of buying it, but I'm mature enough to understand that something can be wrong without it directly influencing me in any way.  How you seem to be unable to do the same is concerning, to say the least.

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About what I said about Microsoft future proofing, the obvious example is how they required broadband internet for the 360, everyone went crazy about that at the time because it wasn't readily available to everyone. Similar situation here.

Except they didn't "require" broadband internet for the 360 in the same sense.  They required it for online gaming, which is understandable, as that was a feature that you had to pay for on top of the console.  Nor is that particularly visionary or, as you called it, evidence of "future proofing".

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Microsoft has said that they have more to announce in the months to come before release, so wait for all the information to be laid out. They've been kind of quiet and behind-the-scenes with all the "negative" information they have to offer, they probably want to see what people think first and then deliver the final product later this year.

Not sure what world you live in, but they definitely haven't been quiet about the negative information.  That's why everyone's upset, if you weren't aware.

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When I said "Clearly Microsoft narrowed their market down - good for them." it was sarcasm. As in, good for them, who cares... let's see where that ends up putting them in the long run. It's too soon to judge.

But the point is that people do care, a point which despite my best attempts you still seem to be missing.

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What I have learned about people on the internet over the past month or so:

Change is not allowed.
People are way too entitled.
If something isn't marketed towards you, it's bad.

Holy hell DG, here you go again by deliberately misrepresenting the legitimate complaints of others.  This is absolutely pathetic.

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People like to complain(or in this case the fanboys of other companies - brag) about things that don't concern them.

Are you saying that those of us in this topic who are criticizing the moves Microsoft has made are fanboys for Sony?  Fuck off with your strawmen arguments, dude.

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What really ****es me off are the people like me that had no interest in buying the new Xbox anyways, and probably wouldn't be affected by the way the internet connection works on it, yet still bash it as if it's the worst thing ever and it's ruining their lives.

Oh look, more exaggeration of the complaints people have made.

Microsoft has introduced terrible policies and people are mad about that and have every right to complain about it.  It represents a move by a major player in the games industry that people do not want to see happen with other companies, and they are being vocal about it.  Just because your opinion is that people shouldn't complain about things that don't hurt them directly does not mean that their complaints are not legitimate.

At this point I'm curious about your opinions on sex slavery and food shortages, because I don't see any reason to believe you have an empathetic inclination in your body.

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I don't even like the Xbox at all, yet I'm sitting here defending it solely because literally everyone is against it and the reasons (while for some are legitimate) are just silly for others that are just agreeing to fit in.

Then list the reasons you think the Xbox One's DRM isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is instead of continuing to avoid the god damn question.  I could not physically care less about your opinion of the people who are complaining.  What you think of them has nothing to do with the merits and faults of the XBOne.  Tell me why you think the XBOne's DRM is a good idea, not what you think of the people complaining about it.  Does that make it clear?

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I agree 100% with the people upset about these things because they directly affect them. People that don't have access to the internet all the time have a right to be upset, but you can't just scream at Microsoft until they listen.

Why?  Why can people not do that?  Why can people not tell a company what they want and what they don't want?

Please explain why you think this is the case.  I'm very, very curious.

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They were obviously prepared for backlash from people that they aren't trying to sell the console to. If the way the X1 works doesn't work for you, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. Move on, buy a PS4, or stick with a 360/PS3. Hell, build a PC. Whatever you need to do to continue gaming. It's not like the entire industry is flipped on it's head right now and to play any games you MUST have internet at all times. This is blown out of proportion. There are still options for everyone.

And you're still missing the point.  People are not disallowed from criticizing something due to the fact that it does not affect them directly.  I will not be buying the XBOne under any circumstances, but it does not make me any less eligible to voice my dislike of their new policies, because I recognize how bad they are for other people, a character trait you seem to have never learned.

People want to buy consoles from Microsoft because they want to play the exclusives on that platform.  To say that these people (who you claim Microsoft are not marketing to) have no basis to complain is an extremely shallow viewpoint and betrays a great deal of narrow thinking on your part.  They have every right to complain that a system that hosts content they want will not work for them simply because of deliberate actions on Microsoft's part, not due to uncontrollable circumstances.

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Gah, I hate writing my thoughts down. They never come out right, I'm much better at actually talking about things. I feel like when I type I come off really serious/arrogant, but really if I was talking to you I'd be grinning and having a good time.

If you were grinning to me in person while saying some of the stuff you're saying, I'm pretty sure I'd be livid.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: The Krazy One on June 19, 2013, 03:04:12 pm
To me this is just interesting to talk about. I also did not assume in any way that DG was an "Xbox fanboy." I just typed what I remembered.

I'd say most of the people complaining would be Xbox vets/fans followed by other console or PC fans. The main complaint is the 24 hr Online DRM checks for games and features followed by how they're handling used games.

Even though that wouldn't normally be a problem since 360 owners with Live Gold that play online constantly would be doing that for the One. There are those that don't play as much but also use Gold. Then there are those that just use it to play games offline and don't want to use the online features. The DRM check would affect the third one mentioned since they wouldn't be able to play their games at all. Then there are people from the first two sentences that travel. If there's no way to connect to the area they're in, they can't game for more than 24 hours. Unless they won't play that long.

I may just be repeating what has been said already. There is just one question waiting to be answered and keep in mind that I know about Xbox Live Silver. Would you need Gold for these 24 hour checks? I doubt it but would like an opinion on that question. Thinking about this now the TV features will only be available for the US and Canada I think. So the people in other contries that the Xbox One launches in without a connection would be buying a Blu-ray/Dvd player starting off.

The only real overreaction I've seen is that "gaming is ruined" because of what Microsoft is doing with their all-in-one entertainment system, the Xbox One when we have the alternatives of the Wii U, 3DS, PS4, Vita and PC out there.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 19, 2013, 03:08:43 pm
I am getting the feeling you guys think I'm directing my issues at you. I'm not, the main people I am ****ed about are the ones that go on Facebook, twitter, wherever and say things like "haha Xbox DONE has DRM lol it is **** #PS4" There are tons and tons of people saying things like that, if not even stupider, every single day and I'm tired of it.
People that probably have no idea what they're even saying, yet they blindly just bash Microsoft because everyone is. Yuck.
I've posted a few myself, and have laughed at a lot, but it doesn't automatically make me (or anyone else for that matter) a "fanboy".  You throw the term out too loosely and look silly by doing so. Just stop it and try, TRY to understand/empathize with what others are saying.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 19, 2013, 03:13:42 pm
I'll leave this here for DG...cause I'm a "fanboy". b)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b101/kreaterz/1017405_503313186406424_1364182952_n_zps0d79fadd.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/kreaterz/media/1017405_503313186406424_1364182952_n_zps0d79fadd.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 03:19:14 pm
Nothing I am saying is directed at anybody on this site ((((((Do I need to make this bold?)))))), because I know none of you are silly enough to blindly hate on things. You all have legitimate reasons, and you're presenting them like you know what you're talking about - which you do. That's cool. I don't want to talk about how good the Xbox is because I don't care. I am trying to remain neutral and just avoid talking about it, really. There's just too much negativity and it bothers me. That applies to many things. I honestly have absolutely zero intention in trying to convince you about anything I'm saying, I'm just expressing how I feel.  :P I am a very upbeat and silly person, and by no means want to come off as arrogant or "shallow".

Everything I said that I actually meant/cared about can be summed up like this: I see too much knee-jerk negativity to something we don't know everything about.

The whole attraction to negativity I see in so many people is another issue I don't like thinking about, because it makes me feel negative as well, but that's off topic.

When I said they were being quiet/behind-the-scenes about everything, I mean they weren't directly speaking about it in public. (The reveal/E3 conference). Everything was leaked out afterwards by talking to journalists behind-the-scenes.

Edit: just saw the last couple posts. @Kreater, I have posted tons of PS4 gifs and stuff to skype and Facebook, they're quite entertaining. I am not calling you a fanboy. You understand all of this. It's just the people that you can tell aren't very knowledgeable about the games industry, yet bash it because everyone does. There's a huge difference.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: The Krazy One on June 19, 2013, 03:23:06 pm
Nothing I am saying is directed at anybody on this site ((((((Do I need to make this bold?)))))),

No, you didn't because I knew this already. Most of the stuff in this discussion is an opinion. It's just multiple opinions battling it out.

Keep in mind that I didn't read the post I quoted yet.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 03:33:57 pm
GUIZ GUIZ GUIZ

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/06/19/microsoft-reversing-xbox-one-internet-used-game-policies

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Get it? Cause they turned around their policies? hohohohoho


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 19, 2013, 03:37:07 pm
"Microsoft Reversing Xbox One Internet, Used Game Policies?"

"anonymous sources now tell Giant Bomb that Xbox One will no longer require an internet connection or need to check in every 24 hours"


So yeah, that would be nice and everything, but I'll wait until it's an official announcement.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 03:41:18 pm
I have a feeling it'll be true, everyone is freaking out and it's kind of hard to miss.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 03:50:27 pm
Just posted to twitter by an IGN editor:

http://gyazo.com/ff9dbaea947d926109527547cd4ae6cf

"It's official: Microsoft reverses all DRM/always-online policies on Xbox One. Details on @IGN momentarily."


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 19, 2013, 03:58:57 pm
Mnoply's hair YES

I never understood this point of view either. The most important thing to me when I play a game is winning. I can go 10-20 and still feel accomplished if I contributed in a meaningful way to the teams win. The challenge of winning is what makes a game fun for me. I also believe having to unlock everything is dumb. Give me all the weapons and attachments now and let me find the best suited tool for the specific moment. I want to find something that will help me win.

The most important part for me is not winning but the excitement of trying to win. I don't really mind if I lose.

But I agree with you about unlocks in competitive games. It's dumb.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 04:04:18 pm
Official:

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/06/19/microsoft-reversing-xbox-one-internet-used-game-policies


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: The Krazy One on June 19, 2013, 04:06:03 pm
Or just read it here: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 04:08:43 pm
Now they just look like fools for going back on their word.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: Turboweasle on June 19, 2013, 04:08:50 pm
Good for them.  And good for everyone who voiced their opinions on this, because without them doing so Microsoft would have thought it was okay.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 04:13:52 pm
This just about sums it up. http://gyazo.com/17bb375c15d42322ddfb91705a8caf63  b)


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 19, 2013, 04:17:41 pm
That's fine and dandy, but what about the constant internet problem? >_>


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 19, 2013, 04:19:22 pm
They addressed that.

"An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360."


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One?
Post by: The Krazy One on June 19, 2013, 04:21:28 pm
Poll related:
I went and change it to where if anyone wanted to change their vote now, they can.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Keihan on June 19, 2013, 04:31:05 pm
Too much text in this thread. Bottom line is that right now, PS4 seems to be where it's at.

That doesn't mean that the XBOX One will fail completely, but Microsoft needs some drastic measures to help themselves out.


Also, I read somewhere on facebook that Microsoft already addressed the DRM issue. Can someone confirm? \lazy


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: The Krazy One on June 19, 2013, 04:33:45 pm
Read the opening post of this topic and click the link that I put in it.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Red Fatality on June 19, 2013, 04:36:22 pm
I would be completely bored if it were not for the challenges in CoD.

I never understood this point of view either. The most important thing to me when I play a game is winning. I can go 10-20 and still feel accomplished if I contributed in a meaningful way to the teams win. The challenge of winning is what makes a game fun for me. I also believe having to unlock everything is dumb. Give me all the weapons and attachments now and let me find the best suited tool for the specific moment. I want to find something that will help me win.
I agree. wining is whats fun i can't stand to lose. If i do bad in a game we won ill still be pissed don't get me wrong but it doesn't matter as much by the next game im over it. If its a losing effort im still thinking about it afew games later still sits with ya


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 19, 2013, 05:32:52 pm
For me, it's not winning or losing, but the journey getting there. I'm always happy, regardless of whether I win or lose.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 19, 2013, 08:31:51 pm
I think...okay, here's the thing. If things are naturally going to move towards all digital and always online, fine, let it be. But let's compare how The big three approached the situation. I believe Sony and Nintendo let you connect to the internet, buy used physical game copies and lend them out optionally and at will. Microsoft were the only ones who, instead of letting nature take it's course, tried to force us all into drm and always online. Nintendo and Sony let us choose individually when and how soon we wanted to make the leap into fully digital purchases and always online. The only reason why I could think of that a company would force a change is because they want to stand to benefit ($$$) sooner and more than everyone else.

Secondly, the whole problem with drm and "no used games" stems from the fact that devs and pubs can't monetise their products much after the initial sale. I do feel they should get more money than they are probably getting but taking away OUR RIGHTS AS CONSUMERS is not the way to get more of the money. I believe Satoru Iwata recently said that the industry needs to "make games they don't want to sell", and I'm completely for that. Make something not just good, but excellent and people will want to hold on to it. That's the kind of thinking that these companies need instead of trying to take our rights away. I don't know about you, but I like to keep my favorite games and Im more than happy to pay $60 for that game that's totally worth it. How many of you still kept MoH after the servers shut down? I don't have a wii anymore but I still have the game.

Finally, I just want to say that, even though Microsoft pulled a full reversal today, I will still not get an Xbox and I hope most people still wont. The problem is that Microsoft tried this stunt, even while they had massive competition from Sony and Nintendo. The market clamored in anger and thus they are now playing follow the leader with Nintendo and Sony. If Microsoft had the balls to do it now, I don't trust them to not change everything up later on. If Microsoft somehow ends up beating Sony and if Sony ever backs out of the market, how bad do you think it'll get? I don't fully trust Sony either, but at the very least they've proven well enough that they respect the gamers and consumers that put them in the position they're in. **** Microsoft and the people that enable them.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 19, 2013, 08:41:58 pm
I agree. wining is whats fun i can't stand to lose. If i do bad in a game we won ill still be ****ed don't get me wrong but it doesn't matter as much by the next game im over it. If its a losing effort im still thinking about it afew games later still sits with ya

Mah my man

For me, it's not winning or losing, but the journey getting there. I'm always happy, regardless of whether I win or lose.

I get that too, but there's no challenge in that kind of journey. Winning is great but the fun comes from the uphill battle, even if you don't get that win. So it's not just about winning, but if it's an uphill battle the victory is even sweeter.

Just to add a little more perspective, I've been in games where you just steam roll over the other person or team. The win doesn't really matter to me because it was so easy. On the other hand, I've lost and still enjoyed it a lot because the road leading to it was still hard fought.

The cusp of it all is if you win that hard fought battle.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: the KR3AT3R on June 19, 2013, 09:00:15 pm
Come back from behind wins by 1 ticket at Arica Harbor FTW!!!!


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 19, 2013, 09:03:00 pm
I get that too, but there's no challenge in that kind of journey.
I think you misunderstood me, since I agree with the rest. I believe you do have to play to win, and that challenge is needed for that kind of excitement.  I just believe that the moment to moment excitement is a better feeling then the end game sense of achievement.

Speaking of challenge, I don't think you've tried Rayforce yet. I hope you especially will participate soon!


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Termin8or on June 20, 2013, 06:37:58 am
I think...okay, here's the thing. If things are naturally going to move towards all digital and always online, fine, let it be. But let's compare how The big three approached the situation. I believe Sony and Nintendo let you connect to the internet, buy used physical game copies and lend them out optionally and at will. Microsoft were the only ones who, instead of letting nature take it's course, tried to force us all into drm and always online. Nintendo and Sony let us choose individually when and how soon we wanted to make the leap into fully digital purchases and always online. The only reason why I could think of that a company would force a change is because they want to stand to benefit ($$$) sooner and more than everyone else.

Secondly, the whole problem with drm and "no used games" stems from the fact that devs and pubs can't monetise their products much after the initial sale. I do feel they should get more money than they are probably getting but taking away OUR RIGHTS AS CONSUMERS is not the way to get more of the money. I believe Satoru Iwata recently said that the industry needs to "make games they don't want to sell", and I'm completely for that. Make something not just good, but excellent and people will want to hold on to it. That's the kind of thinking that these companies need instead of trying to take our rights away. I don't know about you, but I like to keep my favorite games and Im more than happy to pay $60 for that game that's totally worth it. How many of you still kept MoH after the servers shut down? I don't have a wii anymore but I still have the game.

Finally, I just want to say that, even though Microsoft pulled a full reversal today, I will still not get an Xbox and I hope most people still wont. The problem is that Microsoft tried this stunt, even while they had massive competition from Sony and Nintendo. The market clamored in anger and thus they are now playing follow the leader with Nintendo and Sony. If Microsoft had the balls to do it now, I don't trust them to not change everything up later on. If Microsoft somehow ends up beating Sony and if Sony ever backs out of the market, how bad do you think it'll get? I don't fully trust Sony either, but at the very least they've proven well enough that they respect the gamers and consumers that put them in the position they're in. **** Microsoft and the people that enable them.

I agree LT.

The issue we have with Microsoft is that they are a software company. They've endured years and years of software piracy and have constantly tried to improve security to combat their losses. Just look at their constant efforts to eliminate piracy for Windows and Office. I believe they felt they could get ahead of the game and mitigate their profit loss  and their partners' profit loss by implementing these measures because they think software not hardware. They may have backed down this time, but they will continue to think this way and do their best to put these measures in place. This is why they attempted this before Sony and Nintendo. I'm not even sure if Sony or Nintendo will ever go down that path.....different mindset.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Tiger on June 20, 2013, 07:55:00 am
I would be completely bored if it were not for the challenges in CoD.

I never understood this point of view either. The most important thing to me when I play a game is winning.
I enjoy winning too, but if I don't and still have a good time, that's all that matters.  Gaming is meant for fun, and it doesn't matter how a gamer achieves his entertainment, as long as he enjoys it.

I can go 10-20 and still feel accomplished if I contributed in a meaningful way to the teams win. The challenge of winning is what makes a game fun for me.
I enjoy it too, but I also love progression, which is why I love RPGs so much.  I love starting with nothing, and working my way up. (not for multiplayers)

I also believe having to unlock everything is dumb. Give me all the weapons and attachments now and let me find the best suited tool for the specific moment. I want to find something that will help me win.
I'm assuming again you're talking about online play, because if I popped in my Skyrim disc and started with 10,000 daedric arrows and a legendary daedric bow with all perks, I would be bored of that game within minutes.

Never said anything about titles. But really in a competitive game, titles are not an accurate reflection of the players skill anyway.
Do they need to be?  If I'm playing a game, but I have nothing to show for my efforts, it feels like a game wasted.  Because I have completed every challenge for the Intervention and Barrett .50cal in MW2, I don't even feel like using them.  Obviously most feel different, (and I'm not saying the challenges should lock anything practical, because they shouldn't ) which is fine, it's an opinion.  I just enjoy making progress and having to show for my efforts.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 20, 2013, 10:54:22 am
Titles on any CoD aren't really anything. Sure, there used to be rare ones, but that was when the standard for CoD (sniping/feeding wise) was  a triple feed. Getting nukes was extremely hard to do and if you got one, you would get messages either saying great job or you're kechua or you're a hacker (Ps3). Anyway, back on topic, titles used to be good. I use the Dragunov 1000 headshots title on Mw3. I don't even use the gun. You don't need to stop using the guns you like just because you've completed all the challenges for them. Especially on Mw2.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 20, 2013, 03:48:13 pm
Do they need to be?  If I'm playing a game, but I have nothing to show for my efforts, it feels like a game wasted.  Because I have completed every challenge for the Intervention and Barrett .50cal in MW2, I don't even feel like using them.  Obviously most feel different, (and I'm not saying the challenges should lock anything practical, because they shouldn't ) which is fine, it's an opinion.  I just enjoy making progress and having to show for my efforts.

That's fine.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Turboweasle on June 21, 2013, 11:08:26 am
God this made me feel better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXdWRJ-xb4#t=142s

The number of dumbasses on reddit throwing a fit over the reversal of MS's policies makes me physically ill.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 21, 2013, 05:22:49 pm
These guys won't make up their minds.

http://www.examiner.com/article/rumor-microsoft-removing-kinect-requirement-without-xbox-one-price-drop


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 22, 2013, 10:15:35 am
I'm.... getting an Xbox One.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 22, 2013, 01:48:56 pm
Why?^ Just out of curiosity, how much does Call of Duty factor into your decision? Be totally honest.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 22, 2013, 03:27:19 pm
 b)


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 22, 2013, 08:16:48 pm
What, I thought it was a totally valid question. If someone asked me what my prime motivation for wanting to build a PC I'd say Battlefield 4, straight up. Of course there's a lot of other games that I'd definitely get into on the PC but I'd be lying if I said that BF4 isn't the main reason.

For the PS4, there's a lot of games that I'm going to be wanting aside from BF4. Another factor is the simplicity that consoles offer in terms of getting in and out of games and other services. No need to fumble around too much because it's all handled for you. As it stands, it's still about 60/40 console/pc for me.

PS3 is another one of these CoD kids so it wouldn't surprised me one bit if it is a major factor in him choosing Xbone over PS4. Microsoft pushes the hell out of that game and the whole "brodude gaming" culture they have going on there.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 22, 2013, 08:24:33 pm
Pssh Brodudes and CoD?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q1XdsrDINE#t=19s

Everyone knows the REAL reason to buy a 360!


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 22, 2013, 08:29:04 pm
To induce seizures?


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 22, 2013, 08:37:38 pm
CoD has about a 45% influence on me getting the Xbox One. The other 55% is all Kingdom Hearts 3.

Edit: TBH, I'm not getting the Xbone until KH3 comes out, so the CoD influence is minimum.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 22, 2013, 08:41:51 pm
To induce seizures?
Nah, it's to play the real man games for real men. (http://www.youtube.com/user/STGWeekly/videos)

You 360 owners should import Eschatos (http://www.play-asia.com/Eschatos_Wonder_Price_Version/paOS-13-71-br-49-en-70-4ojt.html) from PlayAsia for cheap. Dat game is da best. And don't listen to the "?" in the compatibility guide, I can confirm the game is region free.

Also play Rayforce LT!

CoD has about a 45% influence on me getting the Xbox One. The other 55% is all Kingdom Hearts 3.

Edit: TBH, I'm not getting the Xbone until KH3 comes out, so the CoD influence is minimum.
Won't Kh3 be available on ps4 as well?


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 22, 2013, 08:51:07 pm
Yes, it's on Xbox One and PS4.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 22, 2013, 09:07:03 pm
So then what makes you pick it there over the PS4 version?


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 22, 2013, 09:11:18 pm
Sorry I keep forgetting about Rayforce. Give me the link right quick so I can do it now while nobody is around and I can do whatever the **** I want.

also this with a minor edit:
So then what makes you pick it there over the PS4 version?



Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 22, 2013, 09:44:58 pm
Oops lol


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 23, 2013, 01:21:33 am
So then what makes you pick it there over the PS4 version?
The minimum percentage of competitive CoD. I don't play Call of Duty for public matches. Otherwise, it would be Ps4 all the way.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 23, 2013, 02:32:57 am
Oh, so it's the two of them together. I see.

What about pc releases for Cod? A friend actually tells me that the pc version of Cod is actually a much better game.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Turboweasle on June 23, 2013, 10:50:08 am
Not to mention aiming with a mouse is infinitely more accurate than with a controller.  And none of that automatic aim assist bull, either.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 23, 2013, 11:06:13 am
Oh, so it's the two of them together. I see.

What about pc releases for Cod? A friend actually tells me that the pc version of Cod is actually a much better game.
Yes, PC CoD (PC Gaming All Together) is better than consoles. But as I said, I play CoD for the competitive value such as Gamebattles, E-Sniping, Competitive Sniping, etc.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 23, 2013, 02:57:20 pm
Then if you're playing competitively, wouldn't pc version be better since I hear it's more competitive? My friend says that the lack of auto aim assist (like Turbo said) makes the game feel a lot more skillful.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 23, 2013, 03:28:56 pm
No, PC CoD isn't as competitive as Xbox Cod. PC gaming is more competitive. (Starcraft, League of Legends, WoW, Runescape, etc.)


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: The Krazy One on June 23, 2013, 03:41:55 pm
People are competitive in Runescape? News to me.

You know that if you voted you can change your vote if you want to.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 23, 2013, 08:15:19 pm
Done.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Turboweasle on June 23, 2013, 08:42:25 pm
You are the 6.3%.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 23, 2013, 08:49:10 pm
holy tyts I literally thought that and almost posted it.  :-\


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 23, 2013, 09:27:08 pm
 O0


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 24, 2013, 06:02:28 pm
I haven't listened to all of this yet, but it's a great video on used games. If you're actually willing to listen to it, do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G_f8YBy39M


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Ps358 on June 24, 2013, 11:30:49 pm
I was willing until I saw it was over 28 minutes.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: DoubleGunz on June 25, 2013, 10:38:35 am
 >:(

You don't have to watch, just listen. Listen to it while doing something else.  :-\


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 25, 2013, 06:51:15 pm
I would but ain't got time for that **** right now.


Title: Re: Getting an Xbox One? (Changed Policy Info)
Post by: Squire Grooktook on June 26, 2013, 03:33:03 am
Same as LT. Besides, I already buy used games all the time.