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Title: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 21, 2013, 09:20:07 am
Thank you, IW.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/10/21/call-of-duty-players-arent-****-gamers-says-infinity-ward


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Autumn1194 on October 21, 2013, 09:58:26 am
Cool


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 21, 2013, 01:07:00 pm
well that's awkward. Word filter blocked h a r d c o r e. :P


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Laughing Turd on October 21, 2013, 04:32:22 pm
Yeah, I think that's what a lot of people have been trying to get to for a long time. I think usually gamers have a working knowledge of what's available out there to play, different kinds of genres, history of games and so on. This other type of gamer doesn't really know **** outside of Call of Duty.

Unfortunately these are the people that publishing companies want to target so games will be designed around them, their gaming knowledge and their gaming skills which are normally far below any of ours. 

Again, that's not to say that everyone that plays CoD is a bumbling idiot, good for nothing, dirty, filthy, unclean and unpure casual....but yeah, there's a large amount of them out there.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Ps358 on October 21, 2013, 05:21:24 pm
The term "**** gamer" is all opinions. You can't look it up in a dictionary or anywhere else. In my opinion, if you play even a single game consistently and grind it, you're a **** gamer. If you play a lot of games consistently, you're a **** gamer. If you play one game or more, but just play them every now and again, you're a casual gamer.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 21, 2013, 06:01:34 pm
I would say most people here are in the core gamer class:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 21, 2013, 06:02:06 pm
Oh, and it doesn't distinguish whether you play CoD or not...so


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Laughing Turd on October 21, 2013, 07:08:56 pm
I would say most people here are a "high casual-low core" mix, according to that Wikipedia article. I also think that being a "hardcore gamer" would imply that you have a certain knowledge of and dedication to gaming at large. The people that only play CoD, like the developer was talking about, wouldn't have that dedication to gaming at large. That to me is a casual gamer.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 21, 2013, 07:14:51 pm
I don't see where it's implied that **** has the certain knowledge and dedication to gaming at large. The urban dictionary definition makes that statement, but I don't see it there. It actually states that there are many subtypes of **** gamers which implies to me that there are much narrower groups of ****, possibly dedicated to a genre or particular game stream.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Ps358 on October 21, 2013, 07:15:09 pm
Thats what I'm saying, it's all opinion. CoD is the main game I play, but it's not the only. I still play my N64, GTA V, even Dorito's Crash Course a good bit, but I also have above average knowledge of video games.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Laughing Turd on October 21, 2013, 07:20:12 pm
I don't see where it's implied that **** has the certain knowledge and dedication to gaming at large. The urban dictionary definition makes that statement, but I don't see it there. It actually states that there are many subtypes of **** gamers which implies to me that there are much narrower groups of ****, possibly dedicated to a genre or particular game stream.

I see it the same as anything else. I lift weights but I wouldn't say I'm a hardcore lifter. I don't have an in depth knowledge of all the different lifts, grips, equipment, personalities, etc. so I wouldn't compare myself to a person like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Not only that but I don't have a passion or dedication to it.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 21, 2013, 07:31:08 pm
I'm just referring to what was written in the article, so there's no need to compare. You're taking a completely different scenario and trying to insinuate a meaning that I don't believe was written; however, I still disagree with you, I think based on the **** definition for gaming (if comparing to weightlifting), if you lift weights (whatever grips and exercises you know) and do it religiously then I'd consider it ****. You don't have to know everything.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Laughing Turd on October 21, 2013, 07:33:56 pm
Well then, okay.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 21, 2013, 07:34:41 pm
Lol idc I'm just trolling  :P


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Autumn1194 on October 21, 2013, 07:36:10 pm
I play **** search and destroy so I'm pretty ****


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: CitizenSoldier3 on October 21, 2013, 08:00:32 pm
I need a better hobby, there is times where I lose track of time and can play 10 hrs+ straight  :-[


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Crzy on October 21, 2013, 08:11:13 pm
You guys are mixing up the game and player categorizing. IW is saying they don't feel "CoD players" meaning those guys that ONLY play CoD and nothing else, aren't ****. To them, a "hard core" gamer is someone that ventures out into ALL genres of gaming like Fighters, RTS, Racers, etc. So they know their core audience isn't the "HC" gamer, but more of the casual gamer that only sticks to their comfort zone with one game.

They're not saying players can't be "hard-core like" when playing CoD. We all know there are people out there spending 5+ hours on CoD every night for months. You see it all the time when the games barely release; someone will be at a weeks playtime within the first 24 hours. But to IW(and probably most of the gamer public), these players are still casual because they don't venture out into other genres that are apart of GAMING.

tl;dr CoD by itself is a casual game and IW feels the ones that ONLY play CoD(no matter how many hours they put into it) are still casual players of GAMING altogether.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 21, 2013, 08:16:08 pm
I'm discussing the wiki definition of HC, the topic changed


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Crzy on October 21, 2013, 08:17:38 pm
And if my last post is confusing, I'm basically viewing it like this: ANYTHING can have casuals and hard-core people. Let's take sport watching for example...Person A likes to watch Baseball and only Baseball. Person B likes to watch anything and everything. Person A is more of the casual sport viewer and Person B is what you would consider the hard core sport watcher.

Person A even though he's the casual viewer, he can still be a hard core BASEBALL fan by knowing every team and all the player stats by heart. However even though he knows all of this and watches everything Baseball, he's still a casual viewer in the bigger picture.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Laughing Turd on October 21, 2013, 08:18:16 pm
I was offering my own personal opinion of what casual and hardcore are. It seems like Crazy and I might agree though.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Crzy on October 21, 2013, 08:23:24 pm
Yeah PS3s view is the one that's seeing the smaller picture. Just because someone puts hours of time and knows everything about COD, they're still a casual GAMER. They're just being a hard core PLAYER. That's what IW is saying; even though they know they have hard core players, in the grand scheme of things these players are still casual gamers.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 21, 2013, 08:24:03 pm
Yeah, I was interpreting the wiki definition and I find **** gamers hilarious


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Ps358 on October 21, 2013, 08:49:16 pm
Yeah PS3s view is the one that's seeing the smaller picture. Just because someone puts hours of time and knows everything about COD, they're still a casual GAMER. They're just being a hard core PLAYER. That's what IW is saying; even though they know they have hard core players, in the grand scheme of things these players are still casual gamers.
I can agree with that.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: The Krazy One on October 21, 2013, 10:35:56 pm
We all know there are people out there spending 5+ hours on CoD every night for months. You see it all the time when the games barely release; someone will be at a weeks playtime within the first 24 hours.

That's not physically possible. No one can play a weeks time in a day. Unless you mean the average time someone plays in a day multiplied into the weeks average time for that 24 hours.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Laughing Turd on October 21, 2013, 10:49:00 pm
I think he was exaggerating to help make his point.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Crzy on October 22, 2013, 12:20:53 am
Yeah. :P

But honestly, next time a CoD game releases, check the leaderboards after a week or so. Some people will have 7 days played on just the 8th day of release. As if they only slept for 3 hours a day and played CoD for the remaining 21 hours a day, for a week straight. :o


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Squire Grooktook on October 22, 2013, 04:30:45 am
tl;dr CoD by itself is a casual game and IW feels the ones that ONLY play CoD(no matter how many hours they put into it) are still casual players of GAMING altogether.
I'm not sure I can agree with such a generalized statement. There are guys who dedicate themselves to say, Street Fighter, pretty intensely. To the point that they get on planes and fly all over the world for foreign tournaments. Are they "casuals" because they don't have time admist their dedication to being the best at a particular game to play other games?

Admittedly, the above is an extreme example, but one that is not taken account of by such a statement. Now, you could say "but Street Fighter is a **** game, Cod isn't". Besides the fact that whether a game is casual or **** is very arguable and very subjective (more on that later), what about games like Smash Bros, which can be played both casually and ****, with dedicated scenes for both?

I'm not defending the bro gamer army cod fanbase, but I just feel that the logic used to condemn them here is a bit faulty. Yes, they should open their minds a bit and try something else besides COD, but it has nothing to do with casual vs **** debates.

Casual and **** are both utterly meaningless words, with too many possible definitions, and too many subjective aspects. One shouldn't argue about the concept of being casual or ****, because both are inherently bogus concepts with no clear definition that can mean a million things to a million people, and are in reality just marketing catch phrases.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 22, 2013, 11:41:12 am
But there's no room for argument now, because the developers themselves have now stated that people who solely play CoD are casuals. fact raepd


Right?  :P


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Autumn1194 on October 22, 2013, 12:28:14 pm
The developers aren't god


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 22, 2013, 12:46:57 pm
wot. Obviously not.  :D

However, they do declare what their product is. It is a casual gaming platform.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Ps358 on October 22, 2013, 01:38:39 pm
So people who go pro in CoD and only play CoD are casual gamers? Is that what you're saying?


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Permanent Poopface on October 22, 2013, 01:44:12 pm
to me casual gaming just means easy to pick up and play for anyone


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 22, 2013, 01:49:08 pm
So people who go pro in CoD and only play CoD are casual gamers? Is that what you're saying?

meh. Competitive CoD players. Doing it for the money.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Crzy on October 22, 2013, 02:41:28 pm
tl;dr CoD by itself is a casual game and IW feels the ones that ONLY play CoD(no matter how many hours they put into it) are still casual players of GAMING altogether.
I'm not sure I can agree with such a generalized statement. There are guys who dedicate themselves to say, Street Fighter, pretty intensely. To the point that they get on planes and fly all over the world for foreign tournaments. Are they "casuals" because they don't have time admist their dedication to being the best at a particular game to play other games?

My earlier statement would still stand...as a Gamer that player is still casual but they're a hard core SF player. It doesn't matter what the game is(hell it could be EVE on the PC; arguably one of the hardest games to learn) if that's all they play then that player is still just a casual gamer.

But yes, the terms are stupid because at the end of the day, they're all Gamers.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Ps358 on October 22, 2013, 03:16:53 pm
So people who go pro in CoD and only play CoD are casual gamers? Is that what you're saying?

meh. Competitive CoD players. Doing it for the money.
Ok, then how about competitive League of Legends players? Or StarCraft players? Or Dota2 players?


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 22, 2013, 03:24:28 pm
Did the creators call their sheep casual? n0p3

wow

This is fun


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Ps358 on October 22, 2013, 03:48:06 pm
lol, what?


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Squire Grooktook on October 22, 2013, 03:58:31 pm
tl;dr CoD by itself is a casual game and IW feels the ones that ONLY play CoD(no matter how many hours they put into it) are still casual players of GAMING altogether.
I'm not sure I can agree with such a generalized statement. There are guys who dedicate themselves to say, Street Fighter, pretty intensely. To the point that they get on planes and fly all over the world for foreign tournaments. Are they "casuals" because they don't have time admist their dedication to being the best at a particular game to play other games?

My earlier statement would still stand...as a Gamer that player is still casual but they're a hard core SF player. It doesn't matter what the game is(hell it could be EVE on the PC; arguably one of the hardest games to learn) if that's all they play then that player is still just a casual gamer.
I disagree.

Partially, because it doesn't mean they don't know, understand, have experience, or have an interest in other games. They just have to make sacrifices for the game they want to get better at. If they had more time, most of them would probably indulge in other games (as most of them do, except in this theoretical example). How they choose to spend their time doesn't really say anything about their thoughts or preferences on gaming in general, and trying to say it does is making a baseless assumption.

This is a very silly definition for an already extremely silly term.

Think of the contradiction here.

You're essentially saying that someone who devotes their life to a game isn't a **** gamer. Saying their a hard-core street fighter fan but not a **** gamer is silly because Street Fighter IS a game. And as I said, their choice of devotion to Street Fighter doesn't say anything else about their preferences or understanding of other games.

I suppose you could say that maybe if the person in question came out and said explicitly "I think all video games are stupid except for this one", but even so, they are still a person who has devoted their life to a game (again, this is a theoretical example. Even the best tournament players don't have to devote themselves this extremely), and saying that they aren't a gamer or aren't ****, really just says how absurd and ill defined concepts like casual, hard-core, and gamer are.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: JabbaScrub on October 23, 2013, 02:22:59 am
Plays a large number of games frequently = **** gamer
Plays a lot of Call of Duty = **** CoD player

Seems fair to me.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Ps358 on October 23, 2013, 02:02:21 pm
Seems fair, I wont agree or disagree.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 23, 2013, 02:11:02 pm
ye


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Squire Grooktook on October 23, 2013, 04:48:23 pm
Plays a large number of games frequently = **** gamer
Plays a lot of Call of Duty = **** CoD player

Seems fair to me.
Doesn't seem fair to me at all. Call of Duty is still a video game. A Call of Duty player is still a player.

It should also be noted that there is nothing stopping this silly logic from being applied not just to particular games, but also to entire genres or systems.

"You only really play rpg's? You're not a real gamer. You're just an rpg fan."

"You only own a playstation console? You're not a real gamer. You're just a playstation fan."

"You only like multiplayer games? You're not a real gamer. You're just social."

etc. etc.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 23, 2013, 04:56:47 pm
No need to be so literal, it's a state of mind.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 23, 2013, 05:12:47 pm
No need to be so literal, it's a state of mind.

Yes, yours is a completely closed minded one


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 23, 2013, 05:37:05 pm
2rustled4me


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Squire Grooktook on October 23, 2013, 07:47:21 pm
No need to be so literal, it's a state of mind.
It's not, it's a dumb definition used to exclude a hated fanbase from the collective club of "gamers". However you want to define "gamers", the fact remain that they are people who play games quite a bit.

If your logic has any kind of validity (which, I do not think it does), than the only thing that it proves is that "gamer", "casual", and "hard-core" are dumb terms. But than again, we knew that already for the latter two (gamer I guess is alright, I don't really like the term but it's alright).


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Squire Grooktook on October 23, 2013, 07:56:15 pm
PS: Another problem with this is that you're trying to extrapolate someones "state of mind" from their gaming habits.

Unless someone comes out and explicitly says "I hate all video games except Call of Duty, and don't consider myself a gamer, or gaming to be my hobby" than you have no way of knowing what their "state of mind" is. Maybe they would want to play other stuff, but don't have enough free time. Maybe their trying to master this particular game and need to make sacrifices. Maybe they just don't have the money for other games.

If gaming is really a "state of mind" than trying to label someone based on observed behavior patterns is just absurdly presumptuous.

Also, as I said, you're putting a very biased and very subjective limit on the definition of "gamer". Tell me, just how much time do you have to spend before you're a "real gamer"? How many games do you have to play? How many different genres? How much money?

If you're going to put such arbitrary limits on being a gamer (to the point that you're not a gamer simply for playing a game a lot), than being a gamer becomes completely subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

I'm sorry if I can't let this go, but something about this whole concept (aside from what I've just said) strikes me as extremely fishy.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: The Krazy One on October 23, 2013, 08:02:39 pm
Plays a large number of games frequently = **** gamer
Plays a lot of Call of Duty = **** CoD player

Seems fair to me.
Doesn't seem fair to me at all. Call of Duty is still a video game. A Call of Duty player is still a player.

It should also be noted that there is nothing stopping this silly logic from being applied not just to particular games, but also to entire genres or systems.

"You only really play rpg's? You're not a real gamer. You're just an rpg fan."

"You only own a playstation console? You're not a real gamer. You're just a playstation fan."

"You only like multiplayer games? You're not a real gamer. You're just social."

etc. etc.

I actually agree with how Jabba and whoever else put it in that way. I also agree with what Dave said too. If you're into a game or series to the point where you play it all the time or it's the only game/series you play then I could see that person being a core "game or series" gamer for that but not in general.

Though I don't know or actually care enough to be in the whole casual/core discussion of things because I just see myself as a gamer.

The definition, whatever it is, seems kind of skewed. You could be a core gamer in the sense of playing a lot of games but also be labeled a casual gamer for certain game series or genres in general.

The "silly logic" you mentioned will probably only be used by stupid people just to start an argument about something that shouldn't even exist. Sure, this guy only plays RPGs but that still makes him a gamer. An RPG gamer but still a gamer. Same with the Playstation fan and the Multiplayer guy. It's just that most people usually only see people as a gamer if they play more than 2-3 games.

At least this isn't spreading into the iOS/Mobile territory.  :P

^This doesn't touch on Squire's last two messages as I was typing this when he posted those.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 23, 2013, 08:04:44 pm
This was typed out before the last 2 messages were posted.

I'm just fooling around. I don't really care what specific term is given to people, there's just something to be said about it.

Sarcasm and stupidity aside (every post I've made in this topic), I do have an actual opinion on this.

I just don't feel like these three people are the same:

1. Plays candy crush all day (Facebook game).
2. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 2-5 hours a week.
3. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 20+ hours a week.
4. Plays LoL/Dota/[insert MOBA here/[insert MMO here] for ___ hours a week.
5. Buys a game every few months, plays it over the course of a couple months then gets a new one.
6. Plays that one game that they love to death, and rarely plays anything else. Waits for the sequel, then moves on to that. (e.g. Pokemon, Dark Souls, etc.)
7. Plays obscure indie/PC games mostly, occasionally plays games they deem 'worthy' that are more mainstream.
8. Plays old-school stuff, doesn't care for new stuff. Still plays SNES.
9. Plays a variety of games of all genres, likes to be up to date in current gaming trends/discussions.

Those archtypes pretty much cover all types of 'gamer'. The thing is, some of those people are drastically different from one another. I like to at least be able to separate myself from let's say #1/2/3/7/8.

It's just silly to put one label over all of those people and claim they're all 'equally gamers'. No.

I don't really care if you think I'm being entitled or whatever, but I take pride in the fact that I know what's up. Gaming is what I care about.

Meeting people - especially IRL - and hearing this has gotten old:

"Oh hey, you like PS3? You getting that new Battlefield/CoD? Looks siiiick right?"

inb4hate


Edit:
I don't necessarily like the words h a r d c o r e/casual, but there seems to be no other accepted terms at this point. Like I said, just grouping everyone together is silly.

Oh, I forgot to add to that quote. This one is worse.

"Oh hey, you play PS3? That new Battlefield/CoD looks siiick right? Huh? The Last of Us.. never heard of it. Battlefield looks siiick tho man."


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: The Krazy One on October 23, 2013, 08:13:00 pm
Off-Topic:

Is the editing problem recent in the case of being able to edit your posts before but not anymore or is it just for that specific post? Just noticing since it's happened 3 times now.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 23, 2013, 08:15:01 pm
I think it's this board. I couldn't post this topic without making it a poll. :/


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Squire Grooktook on October 23, 2013, 10:15:43 pm
This was typed out before the last 2 messages were posted.

*snip*
I understand your concern, but I feel the word "gamer" is just too broad and shouldn't be narrowed down to a specific minority of people. Especially one like "oh your dedicated to this game so your not a gamer" which are really pushing it.

I personally don't even understand why people like to classify themselves as "gamers". Nobody really talks about "couch potatoes", "moviegoers", or "readers" except in a very vague way that's not meant to encompass any specific group, so I don't see why people who enjoy video games as a hobby have to make a big deal ensuring that everyone knows that they belong to a specific group of "gamers", and making sure that this group and its stipulations are clearly defined compared to more/less niche tastes and game demographics. Games are just another form of art/entertainment to me, so I don't see why they should be treated too different from other mediums.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 24, 2013, 06:16:28 am
This was typed out before the last 2 messages were posted.

I'm just fooling around. I don't really care what specific term is given to people, there's just something to be said about it.

Sarcasm and stupidity aside (every post I've made in this topic), I do have an actual opinion on this.

I just don't feel like these three people are the same:

1. Plays candy crush all day (Facebook game).
2. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 2-5 hours a week.
3. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 20+ hours a week.
4. Plays LoL/Dota/[insert MOBA here/[insert MMO here] for ___ hours a week.
5. Buys a game every few months, plays it over the course of a couple months then gets a new one.
6. Plays that one game that they love to death, and rarely plays anything else. Waits for the sequel, then moves on to that. (e.g. Pokemon, Dark Souls, etc.)
7. Plays obscure indie/PC games mostly, occasionally plays games they deem 'worthy' that are more mainstream.
8. Plays old-school stuff, doesn't care for new stuff. Still plays SNES.
9. Plays a variety of games of all genres, likes to be up to date in current gaming trends/discussions.

Those archtypes pretty much cover all types of 'gamer'. The thing is, some of those people are drastically different from one another. I like to at least be able to separate myself from let's say #1/2/3/7/8.

It's just silly to put one label over all of those people and claim they're all 'equally gamers'. No.

I don't really care if you think I'm being entitled or whatever, but I take pride in the fact that I know what's up. Gaming is what I care about.

Meeting people - especially IRL - and hearing this has gotten old:

"Oh hey, you like PS3? You getting that new Battlefield/CoD? Looks siiiick right?"

inb4hate




^ That is exactly where these terms come from and why they exist. They were invented by people that want to obtain some sort of "status" because they lack the reassurance elsewhere in their lives...possibly due to focusing most of their time on games. Maybe these people could achieve "status" in other areas, but just don't put the time into it or maybe gaming is all they've got. Whatever the case, they feel the need to separate themselves from the masses and the only way to do that is through labels because we can't all be Professional gamers and differentiate that way. Labels exist in many parts of our society and they typically result in building barriers and resentment. I get it, most people want to be the 1%...right? or "celebrities" or whatever floats your boat. Keep in mind that labels have been used extensively to make people feel terrible about themselves, what they are, or who they are. I could draw more drastic parallels, but I think that's good enough for now.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Kreater on October 24, 2013, 06:24:46 am
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Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 24, 2013, 10:10:01 am
I take pride in the fact that I know what's up. Gaming is what I care about.

Again, ^ games and the gaming industry are what I care about. Some people go out of their way to do nothing but support a sports team, some people make pots all day, some people probably really enjoy selling Tupperware. There's nothing wrong with that. No reason to try and put a negative spin on it.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Squire Grooktook on October 24, 2013, 03:07:34 pm
Regardless, whatever labels you want to make up, calling someone not a gamer because they dedicate themselves to one game is dumb. And I'm sticking by that.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 24, 2013, 03:24:41 pm
Well yeah, that is silly I agree. I think the term casual gamer can apply to a bunch of people, but the term harco.re is kind of silly. Maybe gaming enthusiast? A way of putting it that doesn't come off arrogantly.

The thing is, people label themselves hardco.re for many different things. Like sports, people call themselves a 'hardco.re ____ fan'. It doesn't sound off there.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 24, 2013, 03:26:16 pm
Well yeah, that is silly I agree. I think the term casual gamer can apply to a bunch of people, but the term harco.re is kind of silly. Maybe gaming enthusiast? A way of putting it that doesn't come off arrogantly.

The thing is, people label themselves hardco.re for many different things. Like sports, people call themselves a 'hardco.re ____ fan'. It doesn't sound off there.

"I'm totally a hardco.re Red Wings fan, I've gone to every playoff game they've been in for the past 10 years, got all their jerseys, etc". Them claiming they're hc sounds perfectly normal. Why is it different with games? (I'm just continuing discussion, not necessarily supporting what I'm saying.)


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: The Krazy One on October 24, 2013, 04:19:21 pm
Just wanted to throw something in here real quick since this is a pretty good discussion. A "Gamer" would be defined as someone that plays Video Games, right? If a person played one Video Game, would that person fall under that definition?

I think "Gamer" is just short for "Video Game Player".


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 24, 2013, 04:57:10 pm
Well obviously by definition, yes. The thing I tend to ask is if they're a "real" gamer. Do they care about the gaming industry? Do they support their favourite developers? Are they dedicated enough to know what's coming out and when? To me that's what being a "true" gamer is. The name given doesn't really matter. Simply sitting down and playing CoD for anywhere from 20 min a day to 5 hours a day, just because "it's sick", not having a clue who IW/Activision is, why Xbox gets maps first, etc.


Edit: I meant to say that what I refer to at the end is someone who is completely different than me. Simply applying "gamer" to both of us, while true, is a really general statement. There always needs to be more specific terms to divide people.

We're all human, that doesn't mean that's the only way to describe everyone.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: The Krazy One on October 24, 2013, 05:08:31 pm
So your definition of a gamer is someone that plays video games along with having knowledge of the gaming industry in those cases?


Off-Topic: Would you like me to edit your posts together into one? The ones you wanted to edit of course.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Termin8or on October 24, 2013, 05:28:36 pm
The lack of the ability to edit is really getting to me. I didn't even finish my thought, this is awkward. I meant to say that what I refer to at the end is someone who is completely different than me. Simply applying "gamer" to both of us, while true, is a really general statement. There always needs to be more specific terms to divide people.

We're all human, that doesn't mean that's the only way to describe everyone.

I'll just say this one more time and then I'm done. You're only looking to differentiate because you want some sort of "status". You're not happy being lumped in with the gaming "lowlifes".

The same goes for your hockey fan analogy. Again, you are trying to prove that you are a "better" fan. Other red wings fans that haven't gone to all playoff games or own sweaters, etc shouldnt be called hard core by your definition. Maybe they don't have the money for those activities. Does it make them any less of a fan? In your mind it does.

Labels...status....I'm not the one putting a negative spin on it.

I'll leave you with this thought. I played just about every game I could put my hands on when I was younger...played Atari, colecovision, nes, snes, commodore64, vic20, PC, Sega, game boy, blah blah blah. Because I have such a history with gaming does that earn me a special label compared to the younger generation that didn't play any or all of those? I guess I'll call myself an original gamer and that trumps any kind of gamer that comes after. But wait, that would be stupid.

We're all gamers.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 24, 2013, 07:04:37 pm
Sure, Krazy. @editing posts

Of course we're all gamers, Term. I'm not disputing that. I think it's pretty silly to claim someone who barely plays games is equal to someone who plays a lot as far as passion goes. Of course I want to stand out, I love games and I'm proud of it. Everyone has that one thing they love to do, and they enjoy talking about it. There's no need for a label like 'casual' since it sounds degrading but that seems to be the only thing that gets the message across quickly. Otherwise I'd have to go in to explicit detail to everyone when explaining what kind of gamer I am. It's much easier to say "well, I'm not just a casual gamer, I play tons of games - daily" then to say "well I don't just sit on my iphone and play candy crush while on break at work, then go home and play 30 min of CoD on Tuesdays". Terms can help as long as you're not just using them solely to belittle someone in a rude way.

So your definition of a gamer is someone that plays video games along with having knowledge of the gaming industry in those cases?

Nope. I said a gamer can be anyone, but in order to make it more specific, you can apply "cares about/studies the industry" or "casual iphone gamer" or "CoD for an hour a week" to people to define what kind of gamer they are.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 24, 2013, 08:03:20 pm
Well would you look at what just came out. Cool. I love these guys. Great discussion on this subject with a couple different points of view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-30Yxv7DUs


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Kreater on October 24, 2013, 08:07:36 pm
Wait, so are you saying that to be defined as a hc gamer you should play games every day? ???


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 24, 2013, 08:58:07 pm
No, note necessarily, but that would definitely be a trait of one if that were to be the term of choice.

Honestly the best way to go about it was mentioned in that video. It's a really self-defined thing. If you consider yourself a gamer, you are. This actually makes sense because there are probably a lot of people out there that just casually play once in a while that would not call themselves one. Same goes for people that play a good amount of a certain shooter/iphone game.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: The Krazy One on October 24, 2013, 11:02:57 pm
Off-Topic: All cleaned up with the editing. Got rid of those secondary posts and added them to the post you tried to edit into to the best of my ability.


On-Topic: I meant your definition on what a "real" gamer is as you put it in that post.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: JabbaScrub on October 25, 2013, 05:12:07 am
I just don't feel like these three people are the same:

1. Plays candy crush all day (Facebook game).
2. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 2-5 hours a week.
3. Plays Call of Duty/Fifa for 20+ hours a week.
4. Plays LoL/Dota/[insert MOBA here/[insert MMO here] for ___ hours a week.
5. Buys a game every few months, plays it over the course of a couple months then gets a new one.
6. Plays that one game that they love to death, and rarely plays anything else. Waits for the sequel, then moves on to that. (e.g. Pokemon, Dark Souls, etc.)
7. Plays obscure indie/PC games mostly, occasionally plays games they deem 'worthy' that are more mainstream.
8. Plays old-school stuff, doesn't care for new stuff. Still plays SNES.
9. Plays a variety of games of all genres, likes to be up to date in current gaming trends/discussions.
>9
Also, I feel that the only difference between 5 and 9 is budget.





Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 25, 2013, 12:25:39 pm
That's true.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 25, 2013, 12:26:44 pm
Oh wow, I didn't even notice that I said 3, and I didn't notice that you pointed it out til now.  :D I would edit my post, but you know, that's too fancy for this board.


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: JabbaScrub on October 26, 2013, 11:33:36 am
 b)


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Permanent Poopface on October 28, 2013, 05:01:12 pm
thought it was just old topics....


Does anyone ever do this? I just did, and found a pretty interesting one. It's actually annoying me how annoying I used to be sometimes.  :D

http://wiiunite.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,3338.0.html

Good times, good argumentative times.  :-X

Edit: The topic I linked that I found interesting was a sort of argument about a war between a part of BC and TKO. At least I think that's what's going on.  :P


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 28, 2013, 05:41:29 pm
Implying this:

Honestly the best way to go about it was mentioned in that video. It's a really self-defined thing. If you consider yourself a gamer, you are. This actually makes sense because there are probably a lot of people out there that just casually play once in a while that would not call themselves one. Same goes for people that play a good amount of a certain shooter/iphone game.

is annoying. wat


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Autumn1194 on October 28, 2013, 06:01:35 pm
you're annoying


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 28, 2013, 08:37:32 pm
 :D


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: Autumn1194 on October 28, 2013, 09:16:20 pm
stop it


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: DoubleGunz on October 28, 2013, 09:31:30 pm
 :-*


Title: Re: So, IW themselves say "CoD players aren't **** games, or even gamers."
Post by: y0uR_MoTh3r on October 29, 2013, 10:46:37 am
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