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Title: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on October 31, 2013, 01:56:09 pm Or even football safety in general. With all the concussion stuff being talked about lately, people have been absolutely tearing the NFL to shreds when it comes to anything safety related. I don't know if I agree with that sentiment at all.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: Permanent Poopface on October 31, 2013, 02:02:09 pm I think this is what they signed up for and they shouldn't be such little girls, offense passing numbers are probably only up because of these new rules, its like you can't hit the reciever to high you can't hit to low, you have to lead with your shoulder and I have seen a bunch of plays where the receiver kind of ducks his head down and trys to get down fast in fear of a hard hit coming and thats the only reason the tackle gets made towards the helmet area
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on October 31, 2013, 02:08:29 pm Hamza Abdullah going off on the subject (credit to NFLosophy for the photos):
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Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: JabbaScrub on October 31, 2013, 05:00:52 pm I don't watch football, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Hamza is black.
I don't think anyone who gets paid millions of dollars to play a game should have a problem with the occasional injury. Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on October 31, 2013, 05:08:38 pm I'll play devils advocate since this won't be fun otherwise.
What about the guy making the rookie minimum and is only in the league for one season because he gets hurt? Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: Oomomo953 on October 31, 2013, 05:10:53 pm When I first saw the topic title, I though I was going to see Earl Thomas. S:
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on October 31, 2013, 05:11:30 pm This topic is about player safety, not God.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: Slaught3r on October 31, 2013, 06:44:45 pm I think physics has caught up to the game. Players are to big and fast for the skeleton/ligaments to absorb the hits.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: Red Fatality on October 31, 2013, 07:06:24 pm they signed up for it we want to watch it thats why they get overpaid.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on October 31, 2013, 07:17:36 pm Not everyone gets overpaid.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: JabbaScrub on November 01, 2013, 02:36:24 am Not everyone gets overpaid. Everyone.Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 01, 2013, 09:35:30 am Entertainment based individuals are worth their salary, otherwise people wouldn't pay to see the games.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 01, 2013, 01:54:07 pm Then they shouldn't complain about getting hurt. It's part of that profession. What's next? Soon boxers will be complaining about concussions.
They can always get a non-contact job like everyone else. Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: JabbaScrub on November 01, 2013, 02:51:15 pm Entertainment based individuals are worth their salary, otherwise people wouldn't pay to see the games. Just like the brilliant actors of reality shows. I realize the reason they're overpaid is that they bring in so much money, but it's morally **** up.Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 01, 2013, 05:19:29 pm Entertainment based individuals are worth their salary, otherwise people wouldn't pay to see the games. Just like the brilliant actors of reality shows. I realize the reason they're overpaid is that they bring in so much money, but it's morally ****ed up.It's not. It's basic economics. Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 02, 2013, 04:43:22 pm Then they shouldn't complain about getting hurt. It's part of that profession. What's next? Soon boxers will be complaining about concussions. They can always get a non-contact job like everyone else. If a welder burns his hand while working, is that the fault of the employer for not providing enough training and supervision or the fault of the employee? Who's liable for damages? Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: Handass on November 03, 2013, 05:40:30 pm The big thing with the whole issue is the NFLs blatant lies about saying the game is safe and concussions aren't an issue. Remember, the league didn't even recognize CTE or any issue with concussions until about 5 years ago. I don't agree with current players complaining about the league's safety and concussions since now the research and data is out there, but former players in my book have every right to compensatory damages from the league. The NFL flat out lied to players up until 5 years ago, even going so far as sending out pamphlets to all players saying concussions were a non-issue to their health AFTER the whole CTE issue started popping up. The league absolutely should have been doing prior studies on players after they retire to see how they were affected by concussions sustained through the years, especially with their brazen claims of the league being completely safe. Hell, when they finally did start studying concussions in the Tagliabue era, the committee they formed didn't even have a specialist in neurology **** head the committee, it was goddamn rheumatologist.
tl;dr current players have the data telling them how this will **** them up, so they have no right to claims. Former players have every right to claims against the league because of negligence and lies by the league. If you havent, go watch the Frontline documentary League of Denial. Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 11:59:55 am How can a player prove that any bodily damage was caused solely by their play in the NFL? What if the majority of damage occurred while they were in college?
If a welder burns his hand while working, is that the fault of the employer for not providing enough training and supervision or the fault of the employee? Who's liable for damages? If the 'professional' welder gets hurt, it's likely do to actions within his control. As such, he, and his union, are responsible for any compensation or treatment beyond what is normally provided for by his team (company). Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 12:35:55 pm You haven't dealt with a ton of HR cases. People win these things 9/10.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 01:40:55 pm You haven't dealt with a ton of HR cases. People win these things 9/10. I've dealt with many HR issues during 16 years of running a business. That doesn't relate at all to professional sports. Not even close. Does a BMXer get workman's comp from his/her sponsors when they get hurt? Should they? Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 01:57:43 pm Apples to oranges. Sponsors are paying for brand advertisement. Unless the rider gets hurt doing a trick for a marketing campaign, they aren't liable.
NFL players aren't working on sponsorships. Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 02:08:37 pm It's about as relevant as your comparison of a professional athlete to a welder.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 02:11:30 pm Not really. Sponsorship deals are completely different than contract deals. There aren't many things like sponsorship deals in terms of business.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 03:23:34 pm Professional athletes aren't like traditional wage earners.
Part of the job of an NFL player, unless you're a kicker, is to hit people and get hit (tackled/blocked/etc). Part of a welder's job isn't to injure his hand. Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 04:02:31 pm Getting hit and suffering life threatening injuries are very different things. Everyone expects some sort of injuries, but I don't think anyone is expecting to not remember who they are.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 04:40:12 pm Getting hit by 300 lbs muscular men and not expecting there will be consequences to your health is asinine. Money is a powerful motivator, and there's no shortage of that, and idiots who will take it, in the NFL.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 04:53:42 pm Whether or not it's asinine, if a players life is being threatened and there's no documentation outlining the risks, is the NFL not at fault?
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 05:12:03 pm NFL players need documentation outlining why hitting and being hit by a 250+ freak of nature is hazardous to their health? Are you claiming that the NFL 'hid' this fact from them?
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 05:13:58 pm Everything needs documentation.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 06:47:17 pm You could look at the medical bills of every NFL player since the NFL was formed. That's documentation that it's inherent with injury.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 07:08:07 pm I don't believe death or permanent memory loss was ever attributed to football injuries. Could be wrong.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 07:17:22 pm Would also need to prove that the players have access to these records before contracts are signed, which I doubt is the case.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 07:50:06 pm You also would need to know if signing a waiver/release of liability was part of an NFL contract. I'll bet it is. Like I stated: money is a powerful motivator for these men.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 08:54:45 pm If it was, the players would not have won the lawsuit. It might be on all future contracts, however.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 09:32:21 pm The players didn't win anything. The NFL settled, so this would never be held against them in the future, and it avoided a lengthy, public, trial.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on November 04, 2013, 09:35:02 pm Which they surely would have lost. I misspoke above.
I wouldn't be so sure. Very few contracts are bulletproof. Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: jd111 on November 04, 2013, 09:38:58 pm We'll never know who would have won. Either way, to say NFL players are oblivious to loss of life and debilitating injury by playing football is ignorant. Two high school kids in my area alone have died this year. One was the result of a sever concussion, and the other was complications from a stroke. Both collapsed while playing the game.
Did that stop the area high schools from fielding football teams? Nope. Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: JabbaScrub on November 05, 2013, 12:13:45 am You guys are silly.
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: Autumn1194 on November 05, 2013, 01:08:40 am your face is silly
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: CitizenSoldier3 on November 05, 2013, 09:07:54 am Then they shouldn't complain about getting hurt. It's part of that profession. What's next? Soon boxers will be complaining about concussions. They can always get a non-contact job like everyone else. If a welder burns his hand while working, is that the fault of the employer for not providing enough training and supervision or the fault of the employee? Who's liable for damages? Depends on if he had all the safety equipement in place, common sense is also factors in. Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: Permanent Poopface on November 05, 2013, 04:42:51 pm I'm glad I don't play in the nfl because I would injure my boner
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: Termin8or on November 05, 2013, 06:45:06 pm Is it cause you get hard looking at the players or from the grinding on the field?
Title: Re: How do you feel about NFL safety? Post by: Permanent Poopface on November 05, 2013, 06:54:46 pm both plus knowing I would be a multi millionaire instead of a hundredaire |