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Title: Let's talk new PC hardware (2020) *NOW FEATURING 100% MOAR CONSOLE CHAT*
Post by: Laughing Turd on May 06, 2018, 03:58:11 pm
Been 5 years since i built my bat-computer. She's still alive and kicking and can run old games at good framerates. But as with my girlfriend, as she ages I want to get rid of her for a newer model.
Unfortunately I'm not in the game anymore and don't know where we are in terms of technology. What do u guys know about this subject? The new battlefield will probably be shown soon and release will most likely be at the end of the year. I want to set money aside from now until then but not sure what my budget should be.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Turboweasle on May 07, 2018, 05:52:37 pm
Determining a budget depends largely on what performance you want out of it.  I'll list some questions for you to consider below, and based on your answers I can point you in the direction of the components you'll want and about how much a total build will cost you.

- Are you looking for a build that will *run* current gen games, a build that will give you 60 FPS at 1080p with graphics settings towards the higher end, or a build that will give you 144 FPS minimum in 1080p/60 FPS at 4K without breaking a sweat at max graphics settings for the next 3-5 years?

- What operating system do you want?  Most likely this will be Windows since Windows is the OS for gaming, but if you prefer 7 to the exclusion of 10 it'll (unfortunately and indefensibly) limit your compatibility with newer, higher-end components.

- What else do you want to do with your build?  Any interest in video editing? Planning on using it for work?  Aside from gaming, would it just be a Netflix/web browsing machine?

- Do you care about slow boot times/longer load screens in-game? (SSD vs HDD)



That should get you started.  If I think of any more useful questions I'll add them, but once you let me know what you're looking for I'll start the information deluge.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: June on May 07, 2018, 06:32:54 pm
He wants to play Overwatch. Build computer for Overwatch.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: OhioLawyer on May 08, 2018, 07:22:12 am
I don't even have a home PC anymore. My daughter has a Samsung Chromebook. It plays Google app games, not sure the framerate of Cooking Mama though.  :D


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Laughing Turd on May 08, 2018, 08:01:16 pm
- Are you looking for a build that will *run* current gen games, a build that will give you 60 FPS at 1080p with graphics settings towards the higher end, or a build that will give you 144 FPS minimum in 1080p/60 FPS at 4K without breaking a sweat at max graphics settings for the next 3-5 years?

Well, my last build was a middle of the pack pc that was able to run anything on high settings at 60fps. I think this time around I want to go for something with a little bit more grunt. Are they making single graphics cards capable of running 4k at those frames now? I don't want to mess with multiple cards because then I'm going to want to water cool. Not looking for anything that complex right now. If there aren't any cards that can do that on their own, I think I can go for 1440p, high setting and all of the frames per second. I'm fairly sure both nVidia and AMD offer something for that.

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- What operating system do you want?  Most likely this will be Windows since Windows is the OS for gaming, but if you prefer 7 to the exclusion of 10 it'll (unfortunately and indefensibly) limit your compatibility with newer, higher-end components.

Well, I think I'll just go for Windows 10. I don't really want to mess with all the other OSs. I remember AMD was heavily supporting Vulkan for their games and I even got a bit of a performance boost on BF4 over DirectX. I know DX12 on Windows also works similar to Vulkan, but I'm not sure how that fight has progressed since a few years ago. Can you still use that on windows? I forgot how all that works. In any case, I think I'll just stick with Windows.

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- What else do you want to do with your build?  Any interest in video editing? Planning on using it for work?  Aside from gaming, would it just be a Netflix/web browsing machine?

I mostly just want a gaming rig. I'm not getting into any kind of editing, although an occasional stream would be nice. Not sure if it's still unwise to do that on the same rig instead of using a secondary. Other than that I'll do some occasional spread sheet stuff, but nothing heavy. How much memory are we dealing with these days? 12? 16?

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Do you care about slow boot times/longer load screens in-game?

I'm definitely going SSD. I regret buying my SSD until months after building my rig because I couldn't put the OS on there.


Lastly, I don't know what the current state of the AMD v nVidia war is. I know AMD came out with a pretty damn good CPU to battle Intel and some pretty good cards to battle nVidia. If I understand it correctly AMD isn't necessarily just good price for performance anymore.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Laughing Turd on May 08, 2018, 08:05:29 pm
He wants to play Overwatch. Build computer for Overwatch.

Lies.

I don't even have a home PC anymore. My daughter has a Samsung Chromebook. It plays Google app games, not sure the framerate of Cooking Mama though.  :D

I don't blame you. Life is too mobile for a desktop PC. My nephew and niece won't let go of their tablet and laugh at the old relic that is my desktop PC. At least I can run Crysis.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: BMan on May 09, 2018, 02:50:05 pm
Get internet.  I hear they have internet on computers nowadays.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: June on May 09, 2018, 10:11:31 pm
He wants to play Overwatch. Build computer for Overwatch.

Lies.

What the?


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Laughing Turd on May 11, 2018, 01:28:44 pm
What the?

Huh, whut?


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Laughing Turd on May 11, 2018, 03:07:13 pm
Get internet.  I hear they have internet on computers nowadays.

What the?


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: OhioLawyer on May 14, 2018, 09:07:11 am
Here is all the PC gaming I need:

https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos_games/v2


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Turboweasle on May 14, 2018, 04:46:59 pm
- Are you looking for a build that will *run* current gen games, a build that will give you 60 FPS at 1080p with graphics settings towards the higher end, or a build that will give you 144 FPS minimum in 1080p/60 FPS at 4K without breaking a sweat at max graphics settings for the next 3-5 years?

Well, my last build was a middle of the pack pc that was able to run anything on high settings at 60fps. I think this time around I want to go for something with a little bit more grunt. Are they making single graphics cards capable of running 4k at those frames now? I don't want to mess with multiple cards because then I'm going to want to water cool. Not looking for anything that complex right now. If there aren't any cards that can do that on their own, I think I can go for 1440p, high setting and all of the frames per second. I'm fairly sure both nVidia and AMD offer something for that.

The good ole NVidia GTX 1080ti can get you 60fps@4k consistently on almost all new games on max settings, but keep in mind this'll also mean purchasing a monitor capable of 4k resolution.  You may already have one, just making sure you know ahead of time.

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- What operating system do you want?  Most likely this will be Windows since Windows is the OS for gaming, but if you prefer 7 to the exclusion of 10 it'll (unfortunately and indefensibly) limit your compatibility with newer, higher-end components.

Well, I think I'll just go for Windows 10. I don't really want to mess with all the other OSs. I remember AMD was heavily supporting Vulkan for their games and I even got a bit of a performance boost on BF4 over DirectX. I know DX12 on Windows also works similar to Vulkan, but I'm not sure how that fight has progressed since a few years ago. Can you still use that on windows? I forgot how all that works. In any case, I think I'll just stick with Windows.

I'd recommend Windows 10 Pro in that case.  It's (obviously) more expensive than the base Home addition, but it gives you a lot more control over your system via allowing you to edit settings (specifically in our case update settings) without having to mess with the registry.  There are a lot of reports of people having their computers restart in the middle of a gaming session because of forced updates on Win10.

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- What else do you want to do with your build?  Any interest in video editing? Planning on using it for work?  Aside from gaming, would it just be a Netflix/web browsing machine?

I mostly just want a gaming rig. I'm not getting into any kind of editing, although an occasional stream would be nice. Not sure if it's still unwise to do that on the same rig instead of using a secondary. Other than that I'll do some occasional spread sheet stuff, but nothing heavy. How much memory are we dealing with these days? 12? 16?

In that case you can probably do just fine with a solid i5 processor (unless you want to go AMD for the processor, which I have less experience with).  Memory is pretty expensive these days thanks to a near total monopoly on RAM production by one South Korean company, so unless you plan on doing something seriously memory-heavy I'd recommend going with one 8GB DDR4 RAM card and watching the prices for a while if you want to upgrade to 16.

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Do you care about slow boot times/longer load screens in-game?

I'm definitely going SSD. I regret buying my SSD until months after building my rig because I couldn't put the OS on there.

Good choice.  There's a lot of affordable SSD drives on the market now, especially if you only plan to put the OS and a handful of games on them.  Saw a 128GB SSD for $39.99 yesterday.


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Lastly, I don't know what the current state of the AMD v nVidia war is. I know AMD came out with a pretty damn good CPU to battle Intel and some pretty good cards to battle nVidia. If I understand it correctly AMD isn't necessarily just good price for performance anymore.

This is gonna depend on who you ask.  Personally, AMD's GPUs were underwhelming for the price when looking at benchmarks, and there have been some issues with drivers.  From what I hear their CPUs are solid though (particularly the 6-core line), especially given that they weren't vulnerable to the Meltdown and Spectre CPU vulnerabilities that gimped Intel processors a bit.


I'll work on setting up a pcpartpicker build for you to look at sometime this week.  Let me know if you have any strong feelings about AMD vs Intel for the processor or vs NVidia for the GPU.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Laughing Turd on May 18, 2018, 04:44:11 pm
- Are you looking for a build that will *run* current gen games, a build that will give you 60 FPS at 1080p with graphics settings towards the higher end, or a build that will give you 144 FPS minimum in 1080p/60 FPS at 4K without breaking a sweat at max graphics settings for the next 3-5 years?

Well, my last build was a middle of the pack pc that was able to run anything on high settings at 60fps. I think this time around I want to go for something with a little bit more grunt. Are they making single graphics cards capable of running 4k at those frames now? I don't want to mess with multiple cards because then I'm going to want to water cool. Not looking for anything that complex right now. If there aren't any cards that can do that on their own, I think I can go for 1440p, high setting and all of the frames per second. I'm fairly sure both nVidia and AMD offer something for that.

The good ole NVidia GTX 1080ti can get you 60fps@4k consistently on almost all new games on max settings, but keep in mind this'll also mean purchasing a monitor capable of 4k resolution.  You may already have one, just making sure you know ahead of time.

I think I'd honestly rather have a very high and steady frame rate over the 4k resolution @ 60fps. Are there any cards that can push 4k at 144fps? I imagine they'd cost a metric fawk-ton. Hell I'm guessing the 1080ti is pretty expensive itself and it's a couple of years old, isn't it?

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I'd recommend Windows 10 Pro in that case.

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In that case you can probably do just fine with a solid i5 processor (unless you want to go AMD for the processor, which I have less experience with).

I wouldn't mind going with an i5. To be totally honest with you I'm very curious about those new AMD processors though. If they offer something better than an i5 for a similar price I'd definitely go with them. But I agree that I probably don't need anything much more powerful than an i5. Aren't modern games offloading the extra work onto the graphics cards anyway?

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I'd recommend going with one 8GB DDR4 RAM card and watching the prices for a while if you want to upgrade to 16.

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Good choice.  There's a lot of affordable SSD drives on the market now, especially if you only plan to put the OS and a handful of games on them.  Saw a 128GB SSD for $39.99 yesterday.

check. and ****, my 128 cost me three times as much back in the day.

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Let me know if you have any strong feelings about AMD vs Intel for the processor or vs NVidia for the GPU.

honestly, i do lean closer to the amd side because i know intel and nvidia have done some really crappy things. i don't blame a company for trying to stack things in their favor, but some things are too classless. amd are no saints either, i know.   plus i think a homogeneous build probably works more efficiently anyway.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: dudedudedude for Moderator on June 03, 2018, 05:21:24 pm
I have Windows ME


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Laughing Turd on June 04, 2018, 03:01:48 pm
I have Windows ME

Well if a man loves something this much, who am I to argue against it.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Turboweasle on June 16, 2018, 12:45:41 pm
> I'll work on setting up a pcpartpicker build for you to look at sometime this week.

This week, a month later, what's the difference?

So, here's a higher-end build with some future-proofing in mind (higher watt power supply than you need in case you upgrade CPU/GPU or add more drives, higher clock speed RAM, overclocking, etc):

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cxgRV6

It won't run everything at 144 Hz 1440p, but it'll run most everything at 144 Hz 1080p on high settings, although not on max settings for newer games like The Witcher 3.



If, however, you feel your money burning a hole in your pocket and would like to have a top of the line build, this is what you should look at (and is pretty close to my build, with the exception of the processor):

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MV4Kq4

You'll notice a couple consistencies between the two builds so far: the monitor and the CPU cooler.

I honestly can't recommend that monitor enough.  I've had the GN246HL for three years now and have never once had a problem with it.  The only issue you could potentially run into is that the monitor doesn't support HD video quality through the DVI port (what you need to plug your video card into for 144 Hz refresh rate), and on HDMI it doesn't support 144 Hz refresh rate (but does display HD video).  Newer monitors have a DisplayPort port, which can handle both at the same time and seems to be where the future is for monitors (all of my 10 series Nvidia cards have these ports, as do my older 970 cards).  It's not really a death sentence, but it's kinda annoying if you care about picture quality when watching movies.

The CPU cooler is there for two reasons.  First, the new Intel CPUs (like the i5 and the i7 in those builds) don't have stock coolers, so you need an aftermarket one to install (and boy are they absolute PITAs to install).  Second, they're the cheapest highly-reviewed aftermarket CPU coolers I found in my research, and I've been using mine for about 4 months now without issue.  It definitely works better than a stock cooler did on my older Xeon CPU.


Let me know if you have any questions about those builds/parts.

And last but not least, we have the budget build!




This will still play games (including newer games) at 60 FPS 1080p on medium to high graphics depending on the game, but, well, it's a budget build, so don't expect it to be a workhorse.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/csm4pG

And full disclosure, this isn't a "true" budget build; it's still fairly new when it comes to the motherboard, CPU, and RAM.  Reason being that Microsoft recently got with Intel and the motherboard manufacturers and made it so new series Intel CPUs don't support Windows 7, only Windows 8 and newer.  Older CPUs/motherboards support Windows 7 and 10, but they don't support DDR4 RAM, so it's all kind of a big clusterf**k of part compatibility.

Let me know if you want a true budget build, but I suspect you don't.




Also, you can choose whatever case you want, I just picked whatever wasn't ludicrously expensive due to stupid RGB lighting, but if that's your thing, have at it.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Laughing Turd on August 31, 2018, 10:27:17 am
so as it goes right now we're actually planning a vacation and all my money is going into that, but I still saved the second list of items. As soon as I reach the target amount for the vacation I'll start putting some aside for the new PC. Won't be a until a few months from now though. Also I'm looking at the specs for the new 2080 ti. These damn hardware parts change so **** fast. It's starting to **** me off, but whatever. If I have enough cash then I'll drop it down for the latest and greatest and then pull my hair out because they haven't sorted out the bugs on a gen 1 part.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Permanent Poopface on February 19, 2019, 03:54:54 pm
I got the Logitech g502 recently and it's amazing got it for only $30


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Laughing Turd on February 19, 2019, 04:07:20 pm
I got the Logitech g502 recently and it's amazing got it for only $30

stop copying me buttkiss


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Permanent Poopface on February 19, 2019, 04:13:45 pm
I got the Cosair k65 lux as well, your mom recommended it to me laughed at my small pen0r


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2018)
Post by: Laughing Turd on May 30, 2019, 09:11:55 pm
so as it goes right now we're actually planning a vacation and all my money is going into that, but I still saved the second list of items. As soon as I reach the target amount for the vacation I'll start putting some aside for the new PC. Won't be a until a few months from now though. Also I'm looking at the specs for the new 2080 ti. These damn hardware parts change so **** fast. It's starting to **** me off, but whatever. If I have enough cash then I'll drop it down for the latest and greatest and then pull my hair out because they haven't sorted out the bugs on a gen 1 part.

so a lot of male cattle dung happened and blah blah blah. let's revisit this subject. we're a year on after the initial post and the technology landscape has changed. amd is just about on top cpu (zen 2) and maybe even gpu-wise (navi). also the new console generation is fast approaching and if the buzz is to be believed ps5 is going to be a helluva beast. but consoles have slowly become custom PCs and this new gen blurs the line even more. im actually on the fence about waiting for the new gen or building a new rig on my own with the new generation of gpus and cpus.

i wanna talk about this.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2019) *NOW FEATURING 100% MOAR CONSOLE CHAT*
Post by: Turboweasle on June 06, 2019, 08:47:58 pm
I haven't been keeping up with PC stuff too closely for the past year, but from what little I've heard if I were building a mid range PC I'd go AMD CPU and team green for GPU.  I just don't see the performance per dollar advantage from AMD's GPUs that I'd like to see.  Some of that comes from Nvidia making sketchy deals with hardware manufacturers like Intel to optimize with their cards and not AMD's, but even so, I want more frames.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2020) *NOW FEATURING 100% MOAR CONSOLE CHAT*
Post by: Laughing Turd on September 11, 2020, 11:27:15 pm
So I'm pretty excited about the new PC tech coming out and I still haven't put together a new rig. I'm definitely going to go with a new AMD cpu and I'm probably still going to go with team red for my GPU. Big Navi seems like it's going to compete pretty well with Ampere. I don't think anything is going to compare with the 3090 but I do hear the 6900XT might actually get pretty close.


Title: Re: Let's talk new PC hardware (2020) *NOW FEATURING 100% MOAR CONSOLE CHAT*
Post by: Laughing Turd on March 25, 2023, 03:14:31 pm
Get internet.  I hear they have internet on computers nowadays.

Does Tik Tok access home wifi network though?