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General Discussion / Entertainment / The All-Seeing Eye / Re: An in depth analysis of why Weed should not be legalized
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on: August 10, 2012, 07:39:41 pm
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Green will create jobs, obviously not as much as the restaurant industry, because everyone in the world needs to eat every day.
They are two different products, food is a necessity and green is a novelty.
You strayed from the point entirely. I said that you can't make something illegal just because it is potentially harmful. Sunlight is harmful. Water can kill. Food kills. Pet dogs can kill. Cars kill. Cell phones kill.
Luckily, individuals can control what they put in their body. Interestingly, many people don't care about health risks. They love alcohol, they love fast food, and love to drive. Every day we go out and increase the probability of shortening our lifespan.
That's the thing though. It is a choice, we are aware of the risks, and it is our choice, not Preacher Dan's. We can kill ourselves with McDonalds and cigarettes, but can't smoke a little green?
Legalize it, and regulate it, just like we do with everything else.
As far as insider trading, the same applies. It is legal to participate in the market, but it is regulated to ensure a fair, transparent market.
Alcohol is legal, but production, sales and use are regulated.
Fast food is legal, but food quality, restaurant cleanliness, and nutritional transparency are regulated.
They key is to stop sending people to jail for personal choices that have 0 impact on those around them.
A great example is loud music after 10 p.m. Sure it is your property, but the music travels beyond your land lines and disturbs the peace of others. Hence, ordinances are in place to prevent it.
Next, look at alcohol. It is legal, but there are restrictions. You can only drink at home or in designated private places, such as bars. You can't walk down the street with it because it can disturb the peace and may lead to consumption by minors. If you are at a bar, it is actually illegal for them to let you leave if they feel you are too drunk to drive and you are the driver. They are liable. Sales are restricted to legal ages. Drunk driving is prohibited. Being drunk and disorderly in public, even if not in possession, is illegal.
Basically, any action that can impact the well-being of others on public property is illegal.
And that, Mr. Noob, is supposed to be the purpose of our government. To maximize individual freedoms while maintaining order and fairness among the masses. An individual should be able to do as he pleases as long as he is not directly impacting the freedoms of others.
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General Discussion / Entertainment / Sports / Re: what things should i share with my roommate??
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on: August 10, 2012, 04:09:31 pm
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General Discussion / Entertainment / The All-Seeing Eye / Re: An in depth analysis of why Weed should not be legalized
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on: August 07, 2012, 06:51:48 pm
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Here in California, those with medical card already pay $20 a gram for premium quality. Cheaper stuff can run down to like $15. I would gladly pay $20 at the grocery store, how cool would Camel Jane Cigarettes be, damn.
Growing Jane is easier than moonshining. Though, you can't just run a process and have Jane in an hour. It takes time to grow plants, especially if you do not have all the proper hydroponic crap. People might throw a plant or two outside for fun, and it will flower once and need to be replanted lol. Even growers will have significant downtime. Only really heavy users are going to have 8 plants, 4 on and 4 off throughout the year.
And growers don't need to be penalized. I have an apple tree in my back yard, and I don't have to pay taxes on it. The fruit is coming from MY LAND. There is no SALES, and hence, no tax.
That being said, even growers will stop in and buy random joints, accessories, edibles and other novelty items.
And, I don't follow your insider trading metaphor. Insider trading laws protect shareholders and create a fair market.
Illegal Jane hurts more people than it helps, so your analogy is backwards? You were trying to be clever and picked a poor analogy in the process.
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General Discussion / Entertainment / The All-Seeing Eye / Re: An in depth analysis of why Weed should not be legalized
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on: August 07, 2012, 01:33:40 pm
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Holy hell, you idiots aren't thinking big enough. Legalization gives EVERYONE access to the drug, not just your current users. The MAJORITY of the USA does NOT use, nor do they have access to your drug runners. Legalization opens the market to the MASSES, not the minority who choose to currently break the law.
Molly Housewife can run to the supermarket and buy a pack of joints for her and her gal friends whenever she wants, she doesn't have to wait until that one time she's camping with Bozo Plumber to snag a hit.
Easy access for MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people!
Moonshining is illegal, and I have NEVER seen moonshine available in California, NEVER. Retail DOMINATES alcohol sales, and the same will occur with jane. Majority will NOT grow. It is a novelty market.
When it does become legal (and it will in our lifetimes) the impact will knock your socks off.
If you are worried about a few local peddelers selling 30% below retail ruining the market, you are sadly mistaken. The whole point of legalization is to no longer break the law! Jane will be converted from a niche market into a MASS market. Open the floodgates!
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And I'm done with doucheydouche, his logic was stolen from his jr high's debate team.
How about this numbskull? Money X comes from Money Y? How about the money that is CURRENTLY being spent on the drug will be TAXED. You can tax the CURRENT market and make billions. No displacement. Even though your whole Money X and Y crap is completely incorrect and you have no idea what you're talking about.
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And legalization would decimate cartels. They can't just "ramp" up harder drugs. There needs to be demand. Legalization will decrease demand of harder drugs. They'll still make money off harder stuff, but their primary market will be DESTROYED. They will become weaker and weaker.
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Cartels are not going to sell Jane at $10 / gram to the end user!! There is no profit in that. There are too many hands involved. If anything you'll get locals growing and selling, who if caught will be prosecuted. They can't just hang out front of stores and steal market share like food trucks. They either start their own small business or sell on a small-scale illegally. The MAJORITY of sales will be taxed and legal! Sammy Stoner can not compete with the big boys, Camel, Marlboro, etc.
Sammy Stoner will NOT provide the specialty products that will be huge hits.
Edibles, infused alcohols, blends, joints, etc.
You underestimate the market legalization will create.
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General Discussion / Entertainment / The All-Seeing Eye / Re: An in depth analysis of why Weed should not be legalized
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on: August 06, 2012, 07:08:13 pm
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1. Wow you know nothing of economics. You are making the assumption that people spend every dime they make. Hence, money spent at X leaves Y. You are wrong. A new industry facilitate commerce. More commerce = more jobs, more sales, more revenue and more tax income. You are thinking that alcohol and cigarettes will take a hit? Alcohol and cigarettes have flourished even though taxes are consistently raised on them. Herb will not replace them, it will add to them. Remember, weed is already here! It just isn't taxed and corporations can't dive in. Another point = ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTE COMPANIES WILL PROFIT OFF OF WEED. Camel will cultivate, all of them will. Smirnoff will offer weed infused vodka. It already exists, google it! 2. Insider trading was made illegal to try and create a fair market and protect shareholders. It has nothing to do with this debate lol 3. The government does not tax apples grown at home, so why would it tax home grown herb? If you think the masses of smokers will not BUY, you are sadly mistaken. It costs money to grow and not everyone is willing to put in the time and money to do so. The VAST MAJORITY of smokers do NOT grow. Specialty products will be made as well, such as edibles and blends that home growers can not produce themselves. If users do decide to grow, guess what, the SUPPLIES they buy to grow will generate tax revenue! Do you really think Sally soccer mom is going to grow? nope. Furthermore, even if you do grow, there will be times you are out and you have none. Maybe on vacation, or maybe your plants are not producing yet. Everyone will buy. 4. What illegal activity? If it is legal, there is no illegal activity! Of course you'll get people getting DUIs, etc, but all the guys in jail are there due to possession and sales. The number of offenders will be cut down dramatically.
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General Discussion / Entertainment / The All-Seeing Eye / Re: An in depth analysis of why Weed should not be legalized
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on: August 06, 2012, 06:21:38 pm
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uhhhhh wow, what a terrible argument by the OP. In depth!?!? You are a 13 year old scrub.
Legalized weed would create tons of revenue for the government. And more importantly, this isn't about the government. Who gives a laughing turd!. The reason it should be legalized has nothing to do with taxes. It should be legal because there is no reason for it to be illegal. We are free men. The drug has no major health risks.
Of course drunk driving laws will be applied. They already are! I'll tell you what, 99% of any DUI accidents I hear about are caued by alcohol, not weed.
Of course minors won't be able to buy it.
Of course you will not be able to smoke in public. It will be just like alcohol. You can not walk around and drink liquor (except in select counties).
Basically, alcohol laws will apply to weed.
Weed will be sold at the supermarket, it will be sold and liquor stores, everywhere you can find alcohol. "Camel Marijuana Cigarettes" You will be able to buy pure joints, blended joints (weed and tobacco), edibles, etc etc, and it will be regulated by the FDA!
You can GROW your own. Just like you can GROW an apple tree. Weed cultivation is NOT dangerous like alcohol production, hence no laws against it are neccessary.
You have forgotten the biggest benefit of legalization! It saves the government all the money it WASTES on the court and prison system that locks up small-time offenders!
Benefits:
1. Destruction of the Mexican drug cartels 2. Decrease in government legal and prison costs 3. Increased tax revenue 4. Health regulations on the product 5. New industry brings a ton of new jobs (cultivation, administrative, sales, marketing, retail, infrastructure, etc etc) 6. Small business growth
Sorry kiddo, the benefits absolutely, without a doubt, outweigh the cons. Take your morals and old-man fears and shove em. Your fear of a stoned guy walking on the street should not impact the rights of the entire country.
Laws will protect people from weed related crimes. Offenders will be prosecuted, just like with alcohol. A drunk is MUCH more volatile than a stoner.
Marijuana has every practical / logical reason to be legalized.
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If anything, the federal government should give power to the states to decide, who will then give counties / citys the ability to create ordinances that represent their population's wishes.
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